1. 5-7 minutes i think

2. garrote is a dot that ignores armor so it doesnt matter if you're cloth or plate. we usually tell the people get garroted stand near the mt and hope that moreos will re-garrote them again. and tell your tanks to spam demo shout it will force moroes to come out

bleed is not affected by armor

my group kills moroes at an avg of 5-6 mins. our cc is crap lolz

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Added on April 19, 2007, 1:47 pmmoroes vanish is not affected by demo shout or any aoes, he will only be out once the garrote lands.

the same goes for renataki from ZG.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 19 2007, 01:47 PM

i remember last time i spam demo he came out, or maybe he just garroted me again

Quaza is right on this - only appears after garotte.

However we have been lucky before where the garotte doesnt land on the person.... so its like a free round!

Anyone experienced that before?

u can break his vanish wif demo shout otherwise i cant find any other explanation for it. In spamming demo shout practically every moroes fight, half those vanishes ended wif no garrotes. If its not the demo shout breaking it then i have no idea what is.

This post has been edited by Kurei: Apr 19 2007, 02:40 PM

Tips for Garrotes

1. Paladin Blessing of protection will remove it. Save it for healers
2. dun bother healing locks with garote, get them to drain life
3. SS a player with garrote...get him to use up all his mana/rage then die and resurrect at 50% hp/mana

When we were first learning the Moroes fight, we once killed him with 6 garotes up...massive healing needed...i used 4 major mana pots and every single on of my cooldowns 3-4 times

This post has been edited by jwrx: Apr 19 2007, 03:28 PM

garrote can miss and there are times he just prolly dont feel like it? could also result from say a hunter fd, and he was targeting the hunter.

it is pretty much confirmed from nearly all strat guides that his vanish will not be broken

when going in to meet moroes, do you reckon that having 3 healer spec classes is an overkill i.e. DPS will drop substantially?

3 healers is pretty much what you need for all the encounters in kara. dps shouldn't be gimped with 3 healers. standard grouping for all the encounters should be MT,OT, 3 healers and the rest DPS.

thanks wikzs. most guides online are talking about 2 healers max.

with moroes, we had him at about 50% but it was rough going becoz ran out of mana from healing. plus, the hard hits which is nothing unusual.

try to burn cooldowns at the start so that the adds die faster. the mana consumption for moroes is heavy at first coz of the 4 adds then it gets slow once adds are down and handled. it gets heavy again after awhile coz people needs to be healed from garrote damage

3 full healers is overdoing it abit. 2 healers + 1 hybrid is best. 3 healers means less stress for your healers, but the boss fights tend to be longer cos u only have 5 dps, then u run into oom problems

the combo that works best for my guild

1MT
1 hybrid (OT/healer)- Druid or pally
1 hybrid (healer/dps) - shadow priest
2 healer
5 DPS

For moroes, 2 healers is fine, then u can burn him down fast. If your 2 healer is a priest and paladin, even better...priest shackle 1 add, paladin fear/OT another

challenge for us is how to make sure we can bring our resto druids in. it looks like :

1 holy pally (main healing)
1 resto druid (main healing)
1 shadow priest (hybrid)

with holy priest, then druid is the hybrid of either feral or balance?

i have about 6 raiding priests....all went shadow after TBC, priest just dont have the staying power of a holy pally.

our guild priest did alot of comparison and study on holy/shadow, the utility of a shadow priest, far outweighs the benefits of a holy priest

Blessing or protection (if you have pallies) or heal through it. Ppl should be prepared to pot, do watever it takes to stay alive...

Btw, if things go bad - reset the encounter.

for our guild we have zero shadow priests, dps was never a concern for our guild (at least at the moment) thus the mana battery ultility from a shadow priest, and their dps is not needed. healing power on the other hand is what we actually need as our best healer is a shaman and after all, he is a shaman. they just cant heal as effecient as pallies or having the vast healing powers of a holy priest. but still we're doing pretty decent.

Moroes fight :

How to make sure the shackle doesn't break from mobs inherent resistance? No one is hitting it but the shackle from our Holy Priest has a tendency to break. She's shackling the warrior where he usually shield bashes the priest. Ending up with a longer time to whack for him to finish bashing her. Sigh.

longer shackle / MC depends on their hit rating.

i reshackle every 5 -8 sec. nvr break if u're shacking the 'priest' .. basically mending @ warr renew shackle flash heal..yada yada..

nvr break n nvr stop reshackle.. the wipe nvr cause by garrote but the shackle.



soz i want aran...

praying hard helps, what you could do though to help reduce the risk from priest dying etc, is shackling every 5-10 sec, and if resist/early breaks, have a mage in between the priest and shackle guy to frost nova, to buy time for priest.

huntardss can trap and paladins can stun n fear