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 The SSD Thread V6, Solid State Drive, Continued.

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post Sep 19 2017, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(jimlim007 @ Sep 18 2017, 10:43 PM)
haha typo, but not available anymore. i see that is the cheapest so far
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yes i think so if it's intel 520 that you're talking about in the garage sales section.

it's a very old drive, using mlc nand and sandforce controller, but it's still good enough as os disk.

edit: ram price was reported to go up for 111% since the previous 12 months, sources:
https://www.techspot.com/news/71012-weekend...ected-2017.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/230188/dram-pri...-rise-over-2017

this is crazy :/


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post Sep 19 2017, 07:17 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 19 2017, 12:00 AM)
yes i think so if it's intel 520 that you're talking about in the garage sales section.

it's a very old drive, using mlc nand and sandforce controller, but it's still good enough as os disk.

edit: ram price was reported to go up for 111% since the previous 12 months, sources:
https://www.techspot.com/news/71012-weekend...ected-2017.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/230188/dram-pri...-rise-over-2017

this is crazy :/
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yup, i will continue to running my bad sector 2tb hdd until it death, or just get another hdd.
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post Sep 19 2017, 08:35 AM

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haha so any drop on 1TB SSD laugh.gif hmm.gif

now own boss i can throw all out in full gllory but the other side of me still not willing 2 depart all my fast earnings 2 soon laugh.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 3 2017, 08:58 PM)
it depends on how you look at it. if you checked their price/performance ratios, 240gb range is a better option. (cheaper relatively, with better performance and endurance, compared to 120gb range options)

i rather save more to get a 240gb range than settled with 120gb.
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hahahaha i using 250gb more than 2 years already and still feeling itchy in shooting up 1TB drool.gif rclxm9.gif

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post Sep 19 2017, 12:05 PM

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I always asked a question, why a 7 gram nvme ssd module (memory, pcb, controller) is expensive than a conventional solid metal heavy hdd (vacuum process, metal case, plates, read header, weight of shipping cost, etc)..... hahaha; simply they earn ton of money in SSD

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post Sep 19 2017, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Sep 19 2017, 08:40 AM)
hahahaha i using 250gb more than 2 years already and still feeling itchy in shooting up 1TB drool.gif  rclxm9.gif
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if you need to, just do it smile.gif

i have systems running full-ssd and ramdisk setups for years (ramdisk is for downloads). their performance are still optimal (now these ssds are all over the warranty period already haha)

QUOTE(jimlim007 @ Sep 19 2017, 12:05 PM)
I always asked a question, why a 7 gram nvme ssd module (memory, pcb, controller) is expensive than a conventional solid metal heavy hdd (vacuum process, metal case, plates, read header, weight of shipping cost, etc)..... hahaha; simply they earn ton of money in SSD
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the answer lies in the perspective of performance, not weight. no one, if they had the chance, wanna run a slow system. (it's a cheap way to revive old computers. you can make an old i3 laptop with 8gb ram to response much faster than an i7 laptop with 16gb ram and 1tb hdd; this was a self test that i did a long time ago; it still holds true today)

of course these companies earn money. it's a business. it's not 'simply' either. new technologies don't just come out of nowhere. they require r&d, and r&d need costs. i just don't like the idea of them purposely created a demand and supply scenario that is only beneficial to themselves. (samsung and crucial do this; sk hynix doesn't, yet)

the bottom line is this: there is no need to have a full-ssd setup unless you can make use of its performance (e.g. for work purposes with frequent high work loads). a more practical option so far is always mixed mode: ssd for os at least, and hdd for data and downloads. for this, you just need a small sata3 ssd, and your system supports sata2 and ahci. the difference in user experience is night and day. (120gb if your budget is tight; optimally 240gb or above)

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post Sep 20 2017, 12:37 AM

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hi all,anyone know sandisk x400 worth to get?
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post Sep 20 2017, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(soulmad @ Sep 20 2017, 12:37 AM)
hi all,anyone know sandisk x400 worth to get?
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at what price and capacity? in general it's an oem tlc ssd. overall performance is acceptable, relatively better than value ssd.
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post Sep 21 2017, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 20 2017, 07:19 PM)
at what price and capacity? in general it's an oem tlc ssd. overall performance is acceptable, relatively better than value ssd.
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OEM ssd difference just the packaging not that nice
other than that not much diffence ?

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QUOTE(soulmad @ Sep 21 2017, 02:29 PM)
OEM ssd difference just the packaging not that nice
other than that not much diffence ?
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packaging is not the main point for things like ssd.

there are slight differences in configurations and specifications usually (e.g. firmware), compared to retail counterparts. other than that no.
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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 21 2017, 02:37 PM)
packaging is not the main point for things like ssd.

there are slight differences in configurations and specifications usually (e.g. firmware), compared to retail counterparts. other than that no.
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so mean getting a oem SSD shouldn't be worry
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QUOTE(soulmad @ Sep 21 2017, 02:39 PM)
so mean getting a oem SSD shouldn't be worry
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maybe. yes usually they have no problem, but there is always a risk. (i use some for years; all are still good)

oem ssds that we can obtain in the market depends entirely on seller's commitment to offer warranty support. (this is the main risk, no manufacturer warranty)
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post Sep 21 2017, 07:46 PM

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Haha i think i be jumping 1TB SSD when my house finished unifi coverage

My hardware has been over the top but still its worthless if its still held back by snail speed internet doh.gif shakehead.gif

Been using 1mb 7 years and 4mb 3 years and both are useless already with my new favorite game ever just broken new record size 99GB which doesnt cut it any longer bangwall.gif vmad.gif

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Sep 21 2017, 07:46 PM)
Haha i think i be jumping 1TB SSD when my house finished unifi coverage

My hardware has been over the top but still its worthless if its still held back by snail speed internet doh.gif shakehead.gif

Been using 1mb 7 years and 4mb 3 years and both are useless already with my new favorite game ever just broken new record size 99GB which doesnt cut it any longer  bangwall.gif vmad.gif
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our internet speed is the least that we should worry about, it's always the slowest.

only when you're riding with those 1gbps services and with gigabit router, then things might change a bit, but then if you used ramdisk for download like me then the net speed is still the slowest.
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these days, the terms ReRAM, or RRAM are catching a lot of attentions, especially its potentials to become the storage component of our ssds in the future. it's said to be similar to intel's 3d xpoint; and it's faster than nand flash (lower read latency, and faster write performance, at least on paper for now).

it will still need to take a while before it can reach general consumer markets. (very expensive for now)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistive_random-access_memory
http://searchsolidstatestorage.techtarget....istive-RAM-RRAM
https://semiengineering.com/what-happened-to-reram/
https://www.anandtech.com/show/10562/wester...ialpurpose-ssds

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post Oct 7 2017, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 30 2017, 06:01 AM)
these days, the terms ReRAM, or RRAM are catching a lot of attentions, especially its potentials to become the storage component of our ssds in the future. it's said to be similar to intel's 3d xpoint; and it's faster than nand flash (lower read latency, and faster write performance, at least on paper for now).

it will still need to take a while before it can reach general consumer markets. (very expensive for now)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistive_random-access_memory
http://searchsolidstatestorage.techtarget....istive-RAM-RRAM
https://semiengineering.com/what-happened-to-reram/
https://www.anandtech.com/show/10562/wester...ialpurpose-ssds
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haha tech 2 fast no time 2 catch up already laugh.gif laugh.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Oct 7 2017, 10:31 AM)
haha tech 2 fast no time 2 catch up already laugh.gif  laugh.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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yeah it's really true that techs advance at a pace that is hard to catch up these days; well we just learn what we can lol

it's good to know that there are better replacements for nand flash in near future smile.gif
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plextor announced their m8se recently. nand is still from toshiba, and controller is still from marvell. we know by its name that it's not the top-tier offering from this company. what i didn't expect is the use of planar tlc. in short, for average users, yes it's still ok for normal use, but you also have other choices.

read more: http://www.thessdreview.com/featured/plext...d-review-512gb/

once upon a time, during the uprising of sata ssd era a few years ago, plextor was one of the cheaper yet better options that could rival samsung performance models. (think m5pro xtreme) however, since m6s, it's not really doing that well :/


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Dear all sifus, I can't decide between wd blue and samsung 850 evo. I did some research on both m.2 ssd, most of them recommend the evo but the wd blue is slightly cheaper . I only use my laptop for light gaming like dota and Microsoft apps. So if I buy 850 evo will it be overkill for my daily usage?
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QUOTE(lolilol @ Oct 14 2017, 05:27 PM)
Dear all sifus, I can't decide between wd blue and samsung 850 evo. I did some research on both m.2 ssd, most of them recommend the evo but the wd blue is slightly cheaper . I only use my laptop for light gaming like dota and Microsoft apps. So if I buy 850 evo will it be overkill for my daily usage?
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Capacity and price you found? Evo have longer warranty iinm.

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