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KenC
post May 7 2018, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ May 7 2018, 08:01 PM)
LBS mostly selling 20inch rim?
as attached photo ...not sure its call sport rim or not ...haha...

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Ahhhh… Alloy rim! Eventhough I laugh at ppl going about weight savings, These rims ARE HEAVY! Great for downhill dash!

But seriously, this shouts "Mat Lajak"…

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fatani
post May 8 2018, 02:48 AM

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QUOTE(azamunekurone @ May 7 2018, 09:42 PM)
how much hilly that u consider hilly?mine observation word of hilly means bukit, place named with bukit. like bukit fraser, or bukit bendera. as long as no word bukit means no hilly maa..hahaha

i've done fraser, cfal and also cameron highland with onka wheelset. the benefit of lighter low profile wheelset is for climbing, where else the greatest benefit of high profile is on flat road and when in peloton ur using less effort pedalling (just a few tap easily get 30km/h) but with 30mm, consider all rounder u will get both!

bydaway, 300g are not that much lor. for fb what weight u consider as light?for me, 10kg below are lighter bike for fb.my tern also still didnt acheive below 10kg (its 10.5kg with heavy high profile wheelset). suprisingly, my doppel fx04 are below 10kg for half the price ive done with my tern setup.
u my sifu maa.. eh ken, still waxing the chain?long time no cycle with u, any trip to fraser after hari raya?might wanna join u lah..
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melaka got many places named with bukit what sifu..bukit katil, bukit beruang,bukit piatu etc laugh.gif ..jokes aside, what i mean with hilly terrain, is most of the roads are filled with uphill and downhill and really not much section of flats. so it's definitely not as your per definition of those major bukits. i guess that sort of bukit that i did ride is during my audax last month (bukit tangga, kuala klawang and bukit putus), but it's still probably still a bit tame compared your definition. so is it doable with a heavier wheelset? of course! but it'll certainly drain my fuel faster than the lighter one.

seriously, i did not really put too much attention about the whole bike weight. but for me, i do noticed the difference in the pedalling effort in the reduced weight of the moving parts, even if it's a few hundred grams apart. my rt and litepro wheelset are around the same weight, but i do find that i need a little more effort to pedal the litepros due to the heavier tyres that i put it on with. and yes, i totally agree with you with the hi profile wheelset. it does makes a difference on the flats, no dispute, but luckily i still find that my current rt wheelset is still adequate enough to follow the fast ploton. never follow a ploton of fast rb, but the current group that i ride contains of some mtb podium riders, with normal average speed is around 27-30kmh, and they hardly choose flat roads. always cari bukit one. so i guess, we choose what suit us best? with your superior fitness level, i guess whatever bike or wheelset oso no hassle. mr kenc probably prefer the heavier setup, because heavy bikes burns more calories. every setup might cater different needs for different person. if our fitness is the same, i guess whatever bike oso doesnt matter. unfortunately, your fitness is something that we can all only envy la sifu drool.gif .

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post May 8 2018, 06:58 AM

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QUOTE(fatani @ May 7 2018, 09:21 PM)
good for exercise what, those wheelset.
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QUOTE(KenC @ May 7 2018, 10:59 PM)
Ahhhh… Alloy rim! Eventhough I laugh at ppl going about weight savings, These rims ARE HEAVY! Great for downhill dash!

But seriously, this shouts "Mat Lajak"…
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its call alloy rim...is it worth to get just for normal road ..not mountain ....price different about rm50 compared normal rim..


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post May 8 2018, 11:08 AM

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Never ride alloy wheels. Cant comment much. But imho, hard to sell off later.

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post May 8 2018, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(azamunekurone @ May 7 2018, 10:42 PM)

u my sifu maa.. eh ken, still waxing the chain?long time no cycle with u, any trip to fraser after hari raya?might wanna join u lah..
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Lately busy with work, but need to start training again. Chilling-Frazer is my favorite training route. Ya, let's make an effort to meet up there.
I am dead set on wax chain smile.gif great way to keep my bike oil/glut free.
I oversize obese old geezer riding 15kg BMX, u the Ori Sifu ler.
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QUOTE(fatani @ May 8 2018, 02:48 AM)
seriously, i did not really put too much attention about the whole bike weight. but for me, i do noticed the difference in the pedalling effort in the reduced weight of the moving parts, even if it's a few hundred grams apart. my rt and litepro wheelset are around the same weight, but i do find that i need a little more effort to pedal the litepros due to the heavier tyres that i put it on with. and yes, i totally agree with you with the hi profile wheelset. it does makes a difference on the flats, no dispute, ,

i guess whatever bike oso doesnt matter. unfortunately, your fitness is something that we can all only envy la sifu  drool.gif .
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From my experiments, (and physics too) says big radius rotating mass contributes most significantly… I tried very cheap single walled rims (very cheap under rm20 if I remember correctly, those which will bend with a small hit on tiny road pot hole.) It was my fastest rim ever… but since bend rims during any ride is bad for my well being, hence my low profile double-walled BMX racing rims.
I am a under 20kmh old turtle, aerodynamics affect is minimal, so high or low profile rims has little concern.
The next is light tires. Light tires are usually supple, supple tires are always lower rolling resistance.
BUT Light and supple tires are usually easy puncture… so… pandai pandai la.

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post May 8 2018, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ May 7 2018, 08:01 PM)
LBS mostly selling 20inch rim?

Yup, 20" but there are some 18" too.

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post May 8 2018, 12:57 PM

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2 types of 20" wheels. 406 and 451. Pick 406 if you don't know what you are doing.
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post May 8 2018, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(KenC @ May 8 2018, 11:08 AM)
Never ride alloy wheels. Cant comment much. But imho, hard to sell off later.
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no sale after that ...

QUOTE(Justin.Loong @ May 8 2018, 12:44 PM)
Yup, 20" but there are some 18" too.
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why no 24 or 26?

QUOTE(KenC @ May 8 2018, 12:57 PM)
2 types of 20" wheels. 406 and 451. Pick 406 if you don't know what you are doing.
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406 VS 451 ..what different ?


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post May 8 2018, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(KenC @ May 8 2018, 11:01 AM)
BUT Light and supple tires are usually easy puncture… so… pandai pandai la.
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ha ha..true that laugh.gif

i once puncture the panaracer minits lite, with something hitting the sidewall. That's the one and only puncture that i had with that tyre, and instead of just replacing the tube, i had to replace the tyre as well. rclxub.gif ..lesson learnt. so during my audax, i had to strap an extra tyre to my frame, just in case. having said that, i still love em, the light and lower rolling resistance pana. manage to achieve of 65kmh during the kuala klawang downhill with the combination of rt wheelset and pana tyres. woohoo..felt good mang.. laugh.gif . my dahon stock tyres is already swelling at the sidewall, but i think i'll just get a marathon plus for replacement later. two different bikes for two different purpose. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ May 8 2018, 03:32 PM)
why no 24 or 26?

I'm not sure but I think it's easier to maintain a standard size tyre as compared to keeping many many sizes. hmm.gif

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QUOTE(fatani @ May 8 2018, 02:48 AM)
melaka got many places named with bukit what sifu..bukit katil, bukit beruang,bukit piatu etc  laugh.gif ..jokes aside, what i mean with hilly terrain, is most of the roads are filled with uphill and downhill and really not much section of flats. so it's definitely not as your per definition of those major bukits. i guess that sort of bukit that i did ride is during my audax last month (bukit tangga, kuala klawang and bukit putus), but it's still probably still a bit tame compared your definition. so is it doable with a heavier wheelset? of course! but it'll certainly drain my fuel faster than the lighter one.

seriously, i did not really put too much attention about the whole bike weight. but for me, i do noticed the difference in the pedalling effort in the reduced weight of the moving parts, even if it's a few hundred grams apart. my rt and litepro wheelset are around the same weight, but i do find that i need a little more effort to pedal the litepros due to the heavier tyres that i put it on with. and yes, i totally agree with you with the hi profile wheelset. it does makes a difference on the flats, no dispute, but luckily i still find that my current rt wheelset is still adequate enough to follow the fast ploton. never follow a ploton of fast rb, but the current group that i ride contains of some mtb podium riders, with normal average speed is around 27-30kmh, and they hardly choose flat roads. always cari bukit one. so i guess, we choose what suit us best? with your superior fitness level, i guess whatever bike or wheelset oso no hassle. mr kenc probably prefer the heavier setup, because heavy bikes burns more calories. every setup might cater different needs for different person. if our fitness is the same, i guess whatever bike oso doesnt matter. unfortunately, your fitness is something that we can all only envy la sifu  drool.gif .
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i definetly wont suggest the high profile wheelset for u,
but for allrounder wheelset, the onka is more fast compare to the rt wheelset. it maybe loose on weight when climbing, but on downhill this onka beat the rt more becoz of the profile design and aero spoke.

for dragonback route i'll choose onka more than this rt wheelset. i had tested same bike, same setup the different is one bike with onka and another one is rt. the onka beat rt when u stop pedalling and give u more lajak.

30mm and 24mm are not much different. 40mm and 24mm is a big different.. if u study the tern kinetix wheelset on verge x20 or x10, both wheelset are 30mm. its a good allrounder wheelset. i also didnt go for more than 40mm. 50mm and more i also cannot tahan 😭

if u got both same profile (litepro or rt with 24mm profile), better get one with 30mm profile. its not a big gap as 6mm different, but the lajak is far more than 6m i can say laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Justin.Loong @ May 8 2018, 05:22 PM)
I'm not sure but I think it's easier to maintain a standard size tyre as compared to keeping many many sizes.  hmm.gif
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there will be problem if bought that size not common in malaysia...

but normal mountain bike also have 24 and 26 inch rim should be able fix in folding bike right...

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post May 8 2018, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ May 8 2018, 03:32 PM)
no sale after that ...
why no 24 or 26?
406 VS 451 ..what different ?
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One at a time...
24 and 26 too rare, too lazy to explain...

406 Vs 451
Been discussed and beaten to death here in this thread over and over and over and over....
Do roll back till v1, or better yet, go to page 1 of this thread.

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QUOTE(sgpdsmss @ May 8 2018, 07:17 PM)
there will be problem if bought that size not common in malaysia...

but normal mountain bike also have 24 and 26 inch rim should be able fix in folding bike right...

thanks ...
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since u are in kl, those size aren't a big deal.but if u in somewhere in small city like sg siput, or what so ever, even 20” 451 also are hard to find tube. i had expirience my tyre flat for 700c and 20" 451 in sg siput before.for me 26" and 20" 406 are easier to find tube.

but that is tube case. as for tyre, still can find normal one for those size. but if u talking about performance slick tyre 26” such as schwalbe kojak/durano is not easy to find even in kl city unless u direct buy from local distributor.
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up to 30KM/H top speed after custom firmware....

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QUOTE(azamunekurone @ May 8 2018, 07:59 PM)
since u are in kl, those size aren't a big deal.but if u in somewhere in small city like sg siput, or what so ever, even 20” 451 also are hard to find tube. i had expirience my tyre flat for 700c and 20" 451 in sg siput before.for me 26" and 20" 406 are easier to find tube.

but that is tube case. as for tyre, still can find normal one for those size. but if u talking about performance slick tyre 26” such as schwalbe kojak/durano is not easy to find even in kl city unless u direct buy from local distributor.
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+1.
I asked Rodalink and Schwalbe Malaysia (both under Lerun Industries Sdn. Bhd) regarding the Schwalbe Kojak and their sales rep told me to wait for 3 months. bangwall.gif doh.gif cry.gif confused.gif rclxub.gif grumble.gif
Better buy from Taobao. nod.gif thumbsup.gif
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post May 15 2018, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(Justin.Loong @ May 15 2018, 04:08 PM)
+1.
I asked Rodalink and Schwalbe Malaysia (both under Lerun Industries Sdn. Bhd) regarding the Schwalbe Kojak and their sales rep told me to wait for 3 months.  bangwall.gif  doh.gif  cry.gif  :confused:  rclxub.gif  grumble.gif
Better buy from Taobao.  nod.gif  :thumbsup:
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So many tires to choose from… don't use Schwalbe Kojak lor…

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