i know.. 2nd n 3rd folder will give an almost flatbed... good enough for sleeping i think but then it will be more of a car sleepover rather than a camper van due to the limited head space.. if only they had given the starex the engine from santa fe/carnival... haih

whats the problem with starex engine?

inferior in a couple of aspects compared to the one in carnival/santa fe

Just old tech. But the performance figure is the same.

when santa fe got the better engine, starex i guess was only 3 years old.. but 5 years later when the aus version of the starex got an engine upgrade, the local one didnt.. that's sad

You mean the R-line generation which is the staple for all korean diesel engines? Well the difference on starex were CC, WGT, and rubbish delphi injectors. Don't worship this R-line diesel engine. The core of its power comes from aggressive boosting. Pop your pipings, the car barely can accelerate or climb a slope. the 2.2 liter engine is really weak when running Naturally aspirated. However the tuning potential is there. Starex engine is no slouch either. My only gripe is for a MPV with FWD, the torque is too much. Running 4x4 would be better.

p.s, I was told the starex block shares the same blue print as some of the older gen merc engine. not sure if this is true or not.

wgt no longer used in our starex, you mean vgt? dont the starex also use those injectors too?

lol... piping, if the same happens for starex also no power too ler

i thought starex is rwd?

isnt that ssangyong?

Hmm. I need to ask my mechanic. The last time I asked him the same thing showing him the spec but he told me the physical turbo is WGT. Yeah.FR . Santa Fe uses Bosch high impedance piezo injectors . Down side is not serviceable. However the new sorento uses Delphi.

cannot be wgt, unless its parallel import from aus which i doubt... wgt is a step backwards... hmm, doubt people service injectors these days, at most an oil flush...

well let me visit him and see the picture myself.

injectors can be serviced by couple of ways. one is dismantle clean and replace parts that are worn. Another is run through a injector cleaning machine to clean for those that are not serviceable. commonrail injectors are not cheap. each piece would set you back around 1k. That's 4-5k for baseline replacement.

wa... 1 k... thanks for the info.. cant be helped... most modern engines run on that

Hahaha, yea a bit tough to leave the kids with someone else, would always want to bring them with us.

If only mobile homes or RVs were more available and affordable here in Malaysia.

Well. You just need to make sure you use those injector cleaner additive or agent.

Mobile RV are too difficult as our road condition are too small and we do not have the facility to discharge all waste

Ahh yes, that's right, we don't have the proper facilities too.

Hi McF7y

Hope this post finds you, your family, and your G10 in good health

Seems this thread has gone quiet for a bit. Like some of the others here I had been looking at the G10 and stumbled upon this thread. After reading through however I noticed no one else apart from you appear to be G10 owners, at least from the line of questioning or feedback. Am hoping by now there are others reading this who are G10 owners who could also share their experience.

Anyway, my wife and I had viewed and test driven the car, so I have some idea of the features and what the car is like. We also looked at the Kia Grand Carnival, which would have been my choice (build quality, torquey engine, more established brand), but my wife is very 'sold' on the space the G10 has over the Carnival, so here I am.

So, if you could humour me a bit, I have few "concerns" and would love to hear if you have any opinion, knowledge or experience based on your 2-year or so (I infer) ownership thus far regarding the following:

- Overall reliability, durability, wear, how is it holding up, from a mechanical as well as interior fitment standpoint (are part failing, breaking, falling off, prematurely wearing, fading)
- After-market parts availability? Either accessories or 3rd party replacement parts? Not so much a concern but would like to hear if you had any experience in this area.
- Fuel consumption - approximately how far (and how many $$) does a full tank get you town driving and highway driving
- Cost of ownership - cost of servicing, parts pricing and availability
- Service center - professionalism, quality of work, overall customer experience. You earlier mentioned good experience with the Glenmarie service center, is this still your opinion today?

That's quite a load of questions there, so not expecting answers to all. I'd just be glad to hear whatever you have to share with your experience to-date.

Thank you in advance.

Hi Revolt,

I'm in the same situation as well, I'm between G10 Exec or wait for Grand Carnival (facelift) in Sep (most probably with SST). I was previously interested in CX-8 since Paultan had earlier indicated it to be launched in Q3 this year, but another update from The Edge mentions that its due in Q3 2019, so have to drop that.

I found a G10 user group in FB, perhaps you can check in there for more information as well. Which Variant are you interested in?

So far I've test-driven it 3 times, took about 35km in total on different routes (havent tested it on a free highway, so max speed was only 90+). Only downside I see so far, is that the nearest service centre near my place is around 20km (half an hour drive) away, and that it only has 2 air-bags. The flat pick-up after a full stop still more or less acceptable. What are your thoughts so far on this model?

Engine wise, it uses the venerable mitsubishi 4B series engine. Lots of mechanics are quite familiar with it.

Transmission if the ZF 6 speed, not exactly sure about which series, but not something that is exotic to the point it is difficult to fix.

Hi Castreal

I wasn't aware of an impending Grand Carnival facelift here, seen a video of the 2019 Grand Carnival (maybe Australian) and to me it looked quite identical save for a few bits here and there, the only notable item I recall was the electric parking brake (but only on the higher spec model). So I didn't think it was a worthwhile wait and potentially miss the tax holiday, granted its a bummer if a facelift comes right along after we make a purchase.

The G10 variant I am looking at is the SE, and for Carnival the KX.

I test drove the G10 maybe less than 5km around Ampang Hilir & Jalan Ampang, so not much to form a reliable impression but I thought it had pretty decent get up and go, then again my expectations might not be as high as others. Instead I'm relying on local professional YouTube reviews to be informed where performance matters. However we did spend quite a bit of time fiddling the cars (all 3 variants) in the showroom. My thoughts:
- Build and finish quality - cheap plasticky feel is what immediately comes to mind
- Large boot (assume 7-seater configuration)
- Sunroof & rear panoramic glass roofs a nice touch but wonder how the fabric shades will fare over time
- Like the 360 camera for what it does, but feels like 1st gen tech
- Tire pressure monitoring another nice feature
- 220V power socket nice but hope it does not end up being some kind of hazard (again my reliability concerns)
- Given all the kit on this car I'm surprised no auto chromatic rear view mirror and no power folding mirrors (SE)
- Hardly the prettiest car on the road, does not stand out, does not make a statement (my own opinion)
- I think resale will be poor given the stigma on Chinese cars

That pretty much sums up my thoughts. So some negatives there but in the end I suppose its about how it makes us feel when we're in it.


wkc5657, thanks for the additional background info.