No worries man.

Yea I think for the size, it's doing quite well for fuel consumption.

Hope there are more users who will comment

Sorry for the late reply. I don't own the maxus g10, only tested the MPV. Hope to see China cars expand further 1 day.

Paul Tan website info mostly never tested in full details as they are nothing more than just amateur bloggers.

For MPV that big, you're getting 13L/100km or 7.6-7.7km/L is considered good. You just keep the MPV technical part original, don't bother to replace turbocharger or anything that will void warranty or affect trade in value. Compared to Sorento 2.4L engine which is getting only 6.9km/L in city driving.

Ignore that @wkc5657 that doesn't know how turbocharger operates, he should read wikipedia asap. If turbocharger works like his dumb concept that operates at all rpm, the air intake would create back pressure causing insufficient oxygen volume with too much unburned fuel which leads to serious buildup clogging the combustion chamber.

Correction to his concept, Peak torque of turbocharger is not fixed, if situation allows, it could be achieved at turbocharger minimum operating rpm for example 1800. Normally within 1800~4500rpm.

Lol

Since McF7y is not well verse, can get easily misinformed again. A turbo charger application is a science that requires careful calculation and balancing act :

http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticles/ID/...t-GTX-Gen2.aspx

From earlier reply. :

Here, i'm specifically addressing your comment on the "activation" of the turbocharger rpm range as what you say is misleading. Have you ever tried just using your fingers to flick the turbocharger's blade and see how easy it starts spinning? And that is still without the full pressure of oil lubricating it. Normal turbochargers at operation can spool more than 100,000rpm. How much more force would the car exhaust be generating even at idle. And it also seems like you have no understanding of reading the engine power/torque graph.



I'm using the 8AR-FTS power graph used in the NX and GS as an example. The torque curve is 1650-4000rpm. If really as per what you say that the turbocharger "activate" at 1650rpm, how come the torque curve is stuck flat around there till 4000rpm and after that drop ar??? Going by your thoughts, shouldn't the torque line shoot up sky high? Below 1650rpm, the turbocharger tutup valve and exhaust gas go straight to exhaust and not spooling the turbocharger??

Race and pure performance orientated cars aside, normal daily driven models need the peak torque limited due to :
- fuel efficiency concerns
- limit the turbocharger from operating out of it's efficiency range
- leading to reducing effective air mass (also means reducing your engine breathing efficiency)
- with overly heat soaked air,
- causing predetonation
- which leads to component failures

Normal non modified cars, the main portions that will create exhaust back pressure are :
- exhaust header design
- existence of catalytic converter
- exhaust pipe diameter
- muffler

Even if put a larger than required turbo charger, there won't be back pressure if the above are optimised with the engine. The turbocharger will still definitely spin, just outside of it's effective operating range or what some tuners call the surge line where the "push" is the most effective.

Seems like it is you who even fail to understand the proper concept of turbocharging with/without the help of wikipedia.

This post has been edited by wkc5657: Jul 16 2017, 01:54 AM

and there goes the g10 thread being a turbo discussion thread.

btw: the car looks handsome. was considering it for company car but finally went for grand starex..

Trying to save your shame by twisting story, lol! The valve only opens to draw air from turbocharger inlet into engine at its operating speed. When closed, the air will go through bypass inlet. Volvo and Honda turbocharger came up with amplifier to ensure enough dense air before letting it flow into engine to eliminate lag further. I refer my old engineering manual, unlike you only Google and post your own assumption. Got new stuff, replying you over Optima GT thread.

Thanks for confirming it further that the more "in depth" you discuss, the more "out of depth" the discussion can become. Great job for someone with approaching 40 years of industrial knowledge and numerous insider.

First time i got to use this

LMAO

saw Maxus G10 on North-south highway E1 yesterday, looks decent almost like alphard/starex first glance

jayraptor wkc5657

Whoa guys, whoaaaa. Please chill. I did not realise a discussion about turbo chargers could get this intense.

I'll be the first to admit that my knowledge about turbo chargers is close to none and yes wkc5657 I am not very well-versed at all about this topic.

A lot of what you guys commented on are very technical to an average user like me. It actually really impresses me the technical knowledge you guys have about turbo chargers and how you can discuss such details.

I think originally, it was a discussion about how if the turbo kicked in earlier (because it's a 2.0 engine) there would be more buyers for the car. And then it was suggested that I could get that retro-fitted?

Anyway, yes, the car does feel a little under-powered below 1,500 RPM but after that the turbo kicks in and it accelerates just fine, to me lah at least.

Really, I hope you guys get to discuss this and come to a resolution somehow. I mean, it sounds to me like each of you have your evidences for the opinions you hold about turbos and how they work so maybe can agree to disagree? There's always difference of opinion right?

I actually like the Starex too, but because of my budget and the Starex being a 2.5L engine (correct me if I'm wrong) it would mean more to splash out for insurance. At the end of the day, the Maxus was the best option for me in terms of my budget - most bang for my buck I guess.

Do you remember what colour it was by any chance?

I'm asking because the dealer I dealt with said that for the basic model, they only had Blanc White available. My first choice was Champagne Gold and second would've been the Obssidian Black.

Apparently they sold quite a number of their basic models during the puasa month so only white was available come my turn. And because we needed a car to balik kampung with, I did not have a choice really haha. But overall it still looks good. Wife and kids are happy so I am too haha.

This post has been edited by McF7y: Jul 17 2017, 08:51 AM

if not mistaken, it was white in color.

Not to worry, I have already shifted the debate to the other thread with him. Just that I don't tolerate with people that fool customers with lies and marketing talk.

If Maxus SAIC fitted twinscroll turbocharger that could activate from as low as 1200rpm would be perfect like BMW 1.6T engine pulling the heavy 3 series. SAIC bought technology from Germans and Americans. Comparing your Maxus G10 to Starex, the maxus looks nicer, better design on the looks, bigger interior space apart from lower road tax and insurance. Hope SAIC expand it's business here further by bringing more models and set up more SC branches.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jul 17 2017, 10:12 PM

I see.

Haven't seen too many on the road since Raya period. I think many use it as the weekend family/long distance car. Which makes sense actually.

I sincerely hope that you manage to resolve the situation somehow with him.

Regarding SAIC, it would be nice to see them bring over cars to Malaysia as well. If their price-point is similar to the Maxus G10 where you get pretty good features at moderate prices then it would probably be a game-changer.

Only issue is that re-sale value will still be hard to match the Japanese makes I think.

Actually, around the area of my residences, quite a number of ambulances are converted maxus commercial vans. So it is not as rare as it seems

Yup, I've seen a few on the road too. I think it's the Maxus V80 vans right?

It would be nice to convert one into a mobile-home too.

I'm always inspired by the conversions the Americans do with their VW T3s- T5s and their GMC vans, those vehicles are huge man.

Let me share my FC of my 1.6L , 205NM , Exora Turbo MPV which weights 1.5 Tons kerb weight (no humans).
It is supposed to have similar power out of a 2.2L N/A .

on RON 97, fill up RM 55 at Petron Taman Sri Gombak before embarking on a journey up Genting.
Note that this is not a full tank cause I dont need so much RON 97.

Go up Genting in race mode (drove it like I stole it) , come down Genting and back in super gentle, super fuel saving driving mode, plus drove to Klang few days later and back home before it finally asked for fill up.

Done 232.2KM at 11.2L / 100KM

Then after filling up again with Petron but this time, RON 95, and couple of times drove like I stole it , the FC shot up to 13.8L/100KM at 138KM (haven't empty yet).

So my conclusion? Turbo petrol engines are good at torque (and tempting) but thirsty when in race mode. If you want best of both worlds, have to drive a diesel.
Otherwise go easy on the gas pedal.

Hahaha same like mine but preve
Cucuk mode, fuel drop so fast but if drive like obedient citizen, fuel consumption not that bad
My fc consumption maintain 9.4l/100km

Won't resolve with him. He won't thank me for pointing out his mistake which saves him from shaming himself further on his claim on how turbocharger works. Just like those typical failed marketing staff in Korean companies and Nissan. Very kiasu and politics type of people. Your test on your turbocharged g10 proves to him that he's wrong. You came in at right time.

SAIC is 1 of the prominent China carmakers focus on quality to compete with Koreans, Japanese, European marques. They would pump in capital if they wanted to go big here. As long as the car has acceptable looks, technical and maintenance with good after sales and most important hire real good strategists, it would sell. The Koreans managed to sell in 2010-2013 also because of few ace strategists spoonfeeding them free strategies. Resale value can be fixed if proper players running the game.

Fyi, SAIC MG6 alone beats Korean car sales in Thailand.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jul 18 2017, 10:48 PM