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 Weststar Maxus G10, Any owners here?

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wkc5657
post Jul 11 2017, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(McF7y @ Jul 11 2017, 11:58 AM)
Hey man,

Thanks for replying.

So you own one? How long have you had it for and how do you find it so far?

I got mine just a few days before Raya and so far so good. So far I've brought her to Lanchang, Cameron Highlands and Singapore. The wife and kids love it for the space and I'm happy that they are all comfortable. I have three kids ranging in age from 7 years to 3 months, so they all have their own car seat for safety. That was one of the reasons I decided to get an MPV. Also we pack a lot when we travel long distance.

I use it as my daily car too because I had to trade in my old car to get this one. I go for meetings a lot and parking in office buildings can be quite an effort, not to mention scary when the space it tight!

Fuel wise, it definitely takes up a lot more than my old KIA but city driving has so far been pretty good. It has a big tank anyway and full tank is at least RM140 I think.

You mention the twinscroll turbocharger that could activate at 1200rpm. Do you know if that is something that can be retrofitted?

What has your experience been like?

Pleased to hear.
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No, he doesn't own one, and he is too snobbish to think of other brands other than japanese.

Great that you enjoyed the car, the space is really gigantic. Saw 1 unit near my area, doesn't look too shabby on real metal.

Need to correct his twinscroll turbocharger comment a bit, there is no such thing as "activate" at 1200rpm. Turbochargers, regardless of what type or what size, will start running the moment when the car starts and when exhaust is produced. What it should mean is that the peak torque can arrive starting 1200rpm.

Here is the reality, the only marque that have a 2L turbocharged car that have peak torque starting as low as 1200rpm is mercedes. The next best for mainstream marque is the kia optima GT which arrives the peak torque starting 1350rpm. Number aside, you can retrofit any turbocharger you want. But for it to work harmoniously with the engine and at it's best efficiency, quite some major things to look into :

1) intake/exhaust headers
2) intake/exhaust valve timing
3) fuel injection flow rate and timing
4) spark timing
5) ECU reprogramming
6) transmission reprogramming
7) throttle control
8) wastegate adjustment

So it is not just a simple retrofit and the cost of it may not be worth it unless you like the experimentation and modding process. And best of all, a really good turbocharger unit itself can costs starting a minimum of RM5000.

There is an alternative, you can try approaching those people that have experience tuning mitsubishi engines as this engine is a mitsubishi block. But whether the ECU is easily accessible, that is a question that you need to find out your own. Another is whether you dare take the risk of their experimentation. Real expert tuners are hard to come by on our soil.

This post has been edited by wkc5657: Jul 11 2017, 04:13 PM
wkc5657
post Jul 12 2017, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(McF7y @ Jul 12 2017, 08:35 AM)
Thanks for the reply man.

I re-read the earlier reply and I just realised what he meant, it was me who mis-read or misunderstood the first part of his comment.

Seems like there is a lot to look into if I want to retro-fit the twinscroll turbocharger and like you mentioned, I am not sure I'm willing to take the risk. Plus it costs quite a bit.

Out of curiosity, what colour was the unit near your area?
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Actually, cars are made more and more mod unfriendly compared to the past. It needs the experience of a really good aftermarket specialist and also a gutsy owner to be willing to let the mechanic experiment. It is a really rare skill on our shore.

I don't remember what colour but i saw that unit in Johor, But i can confirm remember that the passenger side tail light not working sweat.gif As i was directly tailing it.
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post Jul 12 2017, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(McF7y @ Jul 12 2017, 01:36 PM)


Edit: I forgot to mention, the Malaysian versions come in either 7 or 10 seater options. I requested for the 7 seater option to maximize boot space but I also asked that they let me keep the third row bench in case I ever needed to switch to a 10 seater option  blush.gif
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Whoa...they actually let you keep the last row of seats....
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post Jul 16 2017, 01:51 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 15 2017, 03:21 PM)
Ignore that @wkc5657 that doesn't know how turbocharger operates, he should read wikipedia asap. If turbocharger works like his dumb concept that operates at all rpm, the air intake would create back pressure causing insufficient oxygen volume with too much unburned fuel which leads to serious buildup clogging the combustion chamber.

Correction to his concept, Peak torque of turbocharger is not fixed, if situation allows, it could be achieved at turbocharger minimum operating rpm for example 1800. Normally within 1800~4500rpm.
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Since McF7y is not well verse, can get easily misinformed again. A turbo charger application is a science that requires careful calculation and balancing act :

http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticles/ID/...t-GTX-Gen2.aspx

From earlier reply. :

Here, i'm specifically addressing your comment on the "activation" of the turbocharger rpm range as what you say is misleading. Have you ever tried just using your fingers to flick the turbocharger's blade and see how easy it starts spinning? And that is still without the full pressure of oil lubricating it. Normal turbochargers at operation can spool more than 100,000rpm. How much more force would the car exhaust be generating even at idle. And it also seems like you have no understanding of reading the engine power/torque graph.

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I'm using the 8AR-FTS power graph used in the NX and GS as an example. The torque curve is 1650-4000rpm. If really as per what you say that the turbocharger "activate" at 1650rpm, how come the torque curve is stuck flat around there till 4000rpm and after that drop ar??? Going by your thoughts, shouldn't the torque line shoot up sky high? Below 1650rpm, the turbocharger tutup valve and exhaust gas go straight to exhaust and not spooling the turbocharger??

Race and pure performance orientated cars aside, normal daily driven models need the peak torque limited due to :
- fuel efficiency concerns
- limit the turbocharger from operating out of it's efficiency range
- leading to reducing effective air mass (also means reducing your engine breathing efficiency)
- with overly heat soaked air,
- causing predetonation
- which leads to component failures

Normal non modified cars, the main portions that will create exhaust back pressure are :
- exhaust header design
- existence of catalytic converter
- exhaust pipe diameter
- muffler

Even if put a larger than required turbo charger, there won't be back pressure if the above are optimised with the engine. The turbocharger will still definitely spin, just outside of it's effective operating range or what some tuners call the surge line where the "push" is the most effective.

Seems like it is you who even fail to understand the proper concept of turbocharging with/without the help of wikipedia.

This post has been edited by wkc5657: Jul 16 2017, 01:54 AM
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post Jul 16 2017, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 16 2017, 03:36 PM)
Trying to save your shame by twisting story, lol! The valve only opens to draw air from turbocharger inlet into engine at its operating speed. When closed, the air will go through bypass inlet. Volvo and Honda turbocharger came up with amplifier to ensure enough dense air before letting it flow into engine to eliminate lag further. I refer my old engineering manual, unlike you only Google and post your own assumption. Got new stuff, replying you over Optima GT thread.
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Thanks for confirming it further that the more "in depth" you discuss, the more "out of depth" the discussion can become. Great job for someone with approaching 40 years of industrial knowledge and numerous insider.

First time i got to use this

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post Jul 18 2017, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(McF7y @ Jul 18 2017, 08:28 AM)
I sincerely hope that you manage to resolve the situation somehow with him.

Regarding SAIC, it would be nice to see them bring over cars to Malaysia as well. If their price-point is similar to the Maxus G10 where you get pretty good features at moderate prices then it would probably be a game-changer.

Only issue is that re-sale value will still be hard to match the Japanese makes I think.
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Actually, around the area of my residences, quite a number of ambulances are converted maxus commercial vans. So it is not as rare as it seems biggrin.gif
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post Jul 24 2018, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(revolt @ Jul 23 2018, 10:41 PM)
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QUOTE(Castreal @ Jul 24 2018, 12:07 PM)
Hi Revolt,

I'm in the same situation as well,  I'm between G10 Exec or wait for Grand Carnival (facelift) in Sep (most probably with SST). I was previously interested in CX-8 since Paultan had earlier indicated it to be launched in Q3 this year, but another update from The Edge mentions that its due in Q3 2019, so have to drop that.

I found a G10 user group in FB, perhaps you can check in there for more information as well. Which Variant are you interested in?

So far I've test-driven it 3 times, took about 35km in total on different routes (havent tested it on a free highway, so max speed was only 90+). Only downside I see so far, is that the nearest service centre near my place is around 20km (half an hour drive) away, and that it only has 2 air-bags. The flat pick-up after a full stop still more or less acceptable. What are your thoughts so far on this model?
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Engine wise, it uses the venerable mitsubishi 4B series engine. Lots of mechanics are quite familiar with it.

Transmission if the ZF 6 speed, not exactly sure about which series, but not something that is exotic to the point it is difficult to fix.

 

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