Any other false assumptions? Just because you can't answer the question doesn't mean that I don't understand the purpose of the cross.

You know what they say about assumptions being the mother of all F-ups but I bet you are pretty used to that already.

This post has been edited by zamorin: Oct 11 2017, 11:18 AM

Ok, Tell me, what do you understand the purpose of the cross?

The question is, how is that 'malevolent'?

You play with fire and get burned in return. You're blaming God for not stopping this from happening. However, God did tell us not to play with fire at the first place. We chose to disobey and now blaming for the state that we are in now? That doesn't sound correct, does it?

Most importantly, God did not forsake us and redeemed our sins with the blood of Jesus. Back to the scenario that i have given, now that you are burnt due to your disobedience, God still sent Jesus to heal your wound.

I do not understand why do people still keep on saying, oh, God did not stop disasters from happening, he must be evil. I mean please understand what we humans have done along the way. I know, some people may say, it's not fair that we are living in this state because of Adam and Eve's disobedience. But just look at yourself, are you really free of any sins for not deserving to live in this state?

Just my opinion on how i view this issue.

I appeal to the one reading this, please don't report zamorin.

Why can't this thread be in peace at all? The reason why most of the christian members left is because of those trolls who can''t leave us alone, go and challenge atheist or muslim thread if you dare please

Bro...I perfectly understand your point and I would agree with you but give this zamorin guy a chance. He's asking a question. It is after a few more rounds of refusing to explain how much he knows and if he goes on attacking excessively then it will warrant a report.

But before that I think keep calm brother.

No it's not really unbelievers fault like zamorin. I would blame it on internal fights within Christians of labelling us as cult or false prophet as the cause. the damage is more when it's done by our community.

I noticed when this thread becomes active, they come in to stir up the pot, but when there's hardly people participating, they couldn't be bothered.

Jealousy/insecurity maybe. It's just like when the Church is Big or Mega...then comes all the criticism but if the Church is small, nobody really bothers.

This is something I learn in my life, sometime people are just insecure or jealous. People can say whatever they want to deny but.....

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 11 2017, 11:43 AM

Your assumptions or my understanding of the cross is irrelevant to the question that I was asking. So yes, you are beating around the bush.

You don't get to choose how you define malevolent. If you are changing the definition, like what you are doing, then your answer is meaningless because the question quite clearly implies "malevolent" as the definition specified in the dictionary. You can't attach additional conditions and try to change the question itself.

how so irrelevant? so again this is the 3rd time I'm asking, what do you know about it?

I'm willing to stake, you don't really understand it's purpose.

of course the beating around the bush, it's obvious. You don't know what it's all about.

This is the 4th time I am teling....

My question was:

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

How on earth is my understanding of the cross relevant to the question?
That is exactly what "beating around the bush" is.

This post has been edited by zamorin: Oct 11 2017, 12:23 PM

Asking a genuine and ancient riddle and I'm playing around?

Gee! wow!

I googled and this is what malevolent means.

"having or showing a wish to do evil to others."

Maybe I do not get your point so do you mind to elaborate or give examples? In what way God wishes to do evil to others?

That is the whole riddle, how can I attempt to elaborate a puzzle?

The whole implications are self-contained in the puzzle.

It does not say if god wishes to do evil to others, it says, If there is evil in the world, then where is the question of God's omnipotence? If god is omnipotent, then where does evil come from?

That is the conundrum, that is the question.

Hey, you seems to be ok here. Atleast you seem to be making an honest attempt to answer. Thank you.

This post has been edited by zamorin: Oct 11 2017, 12:35 PM

I'll make this simple.

The cross of Jesus Christ is the answer to all those questions asked.

If you're going to ask me how so, then I was correct, you don't know what is the purpose of the cross.

But you deny and you tell me I presume only..hence I asked you to clarify what you know about the cross but you refuse to or unable to answer.

This is the merry go round.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 11 2017, 12:32 PM

If that answers the question for you ....good for you. Like that, you can answer every question with a cross. For the rest of us, it isn't even an answer to begin with.

This post has been edited by zamorin: Oct 11 2017, 12:34 PM

Sigh, that is why I told you, if you understood the purpose of the cross, then you will understand the answer.

the problem right now is that you don't even know the details of the cross why it happen, what is the purpose.

Sigh.

So Do you know or do you NOT know?

It's a simple yes or no.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 11 2017, 12:38 PM

I see, if i understood the cross, I would have the answer to the puzzle, just like you huh? How humble. Why don't you tell me what is the relevance of the cross to this puzzle?

This post has been edited by zamorin: Oct 11 2017, 12:40 PM

Am I not being to fair to you when I DID ask you, what do you know about it?

Ok gimme a bit of time, I promise I will answer you.


Lunch time la.

Ok, that's very interesting.

Before I talk further, here's the definition of omnipotent:

"having unlimited power; able to do anything"

Just to make sure we are on the same page

From my pov, omnipotent and existence of evil doesn't collide.

Evil comes in when his creations choose to disobey his instructions. He doesn't prevent it because he has given his creations free will to obey or disobey his commands.

I hope this can clear your doubt but just let me know if you are still in doubt. or maybe we can listen to Unknown Warrior first? He's a devout Christian and has been studying Bible for many years.

Cheers

This post has been edited by NicoRobinz: Oct 11 2017, 01:15 PM