Hey, just checking if you Christian folks have an answer to this ancient puzzle:

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”


― Epicurus

Problem is, even suppose if he gives you free will but does nothing when using that "free will" creates evil, then he is still malevolent.

Like I said, when one does nothing when evil happens when he can do something...that is the definition of malevolent. So "free will" is irrelevant.

It answers nothing. Plus anything without evidence is just conjecture.

This post has been edited by zamorin: Oct 11 2017, 11:05 AM

But that doesn't answer the question of "malevolence". Even if the state of our current world is because of humans' own doing, then the question of omnipotence becomes false.

Any other false assumptions? Just because you can't answer the question doesn't mean that I don't understand the purpose of the cross.

You know what they say about assumptions being the mother of all F-ups but I bet you are pretty used to that already.

This post has been edited by zamorin: Oct 11 2017, 11:18 AM

Your assumptions or my understanding of the cross is irrelevant to the question that I was asking. So yes, you are beating around the bush.

You don't get to choose how you define malevolent. If you are changing the definition, like what you are doing, then your answer is meaningless because the question quite clearly implies "malevolent" as the definition specified in the dictionary. You can't attach additional conditions and try to change the question itself.

This is the 4th time I am teling....

My question was:

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

How on earth is my understanding of the cross relevant to the question?
That is exactly what "beating around the bush" is.

This post has been edited by zamorin: Oct 11 2017, 12:23 PM

Asking a genuine and ancient riddle and I'm playing around?

Gee! wow!

That is the whole riddle, how can I attempt to elaborate a puzzle?

The whole implications are self-contained in the puzzle.

It does not say if god wishes to do evil to others, it says, If there is evil in the world, then where is the question of God's omnipotence? If god is omnipotent, then where does evil come from?

That is the conundrum, that is the question.

Hey, you seems to be ok here. Atleast you seem to be making an honest attempt to answer. Thank you.

This post has been edited by zamorin: Oct 11 2017, 12:35 PM

If that answers the question for you ....good for you. Like that, you can answer every question with a cross. For the rest of us, it isn't even an answer to begin with.

This post has been edited by zamorin: Oct 11 2017, 12:34 PM

I see, if i understood the cross, I would have the answer to the puzzle, just like you huh? How humble. Why don't you tell me what is the relevance of the cross to this puzzle?

This post has been edited by zamorin: Oct 11 2017, 12:40 PM

I don't know if you realized but you have contradicted yourself many times over and still haven't answered the puzzle. You have claimed that such and such is the properties of god and it does not violate the principles of the puzzle but it violates your own principle that you yourself have attributed to god. For eg:- I will just quote you one of the examples out of many:

One one hand you claim this:

"God is a God of justice and righteousness, this means that He does not bend rules according to his whim and fancy, whatever that is or was established, He follows through, else God cannot be trusted, would you not agree? "

On the other hand say this:

"Now remember I said God is a God of justice? By right Adam should have died because he disobeyed. "

Yes. He should have died. He bent the rules for Adam which you claims he doesn't. If justice is applied arbitrarily, then it is not justice at all, that's one of the tenets of justice.

Plus, Like I already said earlier, if God is omnipotent (meaning able to prevent evil), and he doesn't (regardless of free will) - that shows malevolence. It does not matter where the evil came whether "free will" or not, is not relevant.

Just an advice, in any debate you engage in, god, Christianity or whatever in life, always have consistency is your points, if not, it doesn't look good on your credibility and atheists by now knows exactly how to exploit such weaknesses, trust me

Thanks for taking the time to answer this time.I probably was expecting more insults from this thread. I think I'm gonna go and troll some Muslims/Hindus/Buddhists now

This post has been edited by zamorin: Oct 11 2017, 04:28 PM

For the answer to the oldest puzzle in the world, you can look at it in a few ways:

1. Being the oldest puzzle, there is no answer and it cannot be solved.
2. It is a rhetorical question, the puzzle answers itself.
3. God cannot exist.

Depending on your point of you.

BTW, do you know the story behind why the cross got to be identified with Christianity, since you asked me about the cross earlier?

This post has been edited by zamorin: Oct 11 2017, 05:24 PM

If you can term a "contradiction" as love", then anything can be explained away and words have no meaning to you. You have hallowed out the word empty of all its meaning. and you can't logically continue to debate with anyone who does that.

So black can be white, bad can be good, contradictions can be love and robots can have free will.

Got it. finally you solved the oldest puzzle in the world which held more than 2000 years, yeap

This post has been edited by zamorin: Oct 11 2017, 09:48 PM

You don't see any contradictions, huh? Or as you would call it "Love"

Like I said:

you are being inconsistent and keep contradicting yourself over and over and over and...

This post has been edited by zamorin: Oct 11 2017, 11:59 PM

Then it really servers no further purpose, if you don't see or you pretend not to see the contradictions (delusion), even when it was pointed out to you.



This post has been edited by zamorin: Oct 12 2017, 12:16 AM

If you keep lying to yourself, it really doesn't matter. and I have no idea how to respond to delusions. You yourself have no problems with your contradictions.

This post has been edited by zamorin: Oct 12 2017, 12:21 AM

You are contradicting YOURSELF, not the message, why are trying to pretend both are the same? You think you are Christ too?

But that's what you are always doing..

lying. Like I said, hard to engage with delusion.

This post has been edited by zamorin: Oct 12 2017, 12:28 AM