“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”


― Epicurus

First of all, understand the nature of God. God is a God of justice and righteousness, this means that He does not bend rules according to his whim and fancy, whatever that is or was established, He follows through, else God cannot be trusted, would you not agree? Same thing you would expect of a High Court Judge, you expect him to uphold justice and fairness, else the world system will be in complete chaos.

What do I mean? Things like, there has to be punishment for the wicked, else criminals will reign free, you get the idea. What is right, should be commended, what is wrong must have justification, either to correct the wrong or recompense to whatever that was wronged.

This world has fallen and The Fact that evil came into this world is an undeniable evidence of free will. For Free will to really be Free will, Man must be able to make a wrong choice from the right then there IS Freewill.

So what is the relevance? If There is Free Will then it means that God has given Man his own free choice to choose, to do right or wrong.

Adam displayed free will when He disobeyed God not to partake the Fruit that was fore-warned earlier that If he does take it, He will die, to which he did.

Now remember I said God is a God of justice? By right Adam should have died because he disobeyed. Why? Because Sin came into this world as the result of that. So what is Sin? Sin is something intangible, it's like a force if you will, like Love and Grace. Sin basically corrupts Man and this world which you and I live in today. That is why the nature of Man towards destruction and why there is evil in this world.

yet Despite of God being righteous, He spared Adam by killing another life in his place. It was an animal to which we were not privy to detail, all we know is that an animal died in judgement in place of Adam, hence why God cloth Adam with the animal skin.

I call that Love. God loved his creation and would rather that He live and not die.

That was one animal for Adam. What about the rest of the world? What about today?

Because of Sin inherited to every person borned, everyone man was geared for destruction, God cannot sweep Sin under the carpet and ignore it. There has to be a proper procedure to deal with this. God forewarned Death is the only result because sin entered in. We understand death as in passed on from this life but the death that God meant is the death of everything. It's talking about corruption and the likes of it.

We were all sentenced to eternal condemnation because of sin. Why we are hostile and in conflict with one another is because of the nature of sin.

See, Sin corrupts the Man and caused Man with the propensity to do wrong. Even if He wants to do right, it is very hard. It's like a embedded DNA that influence the nature over a long period of time in history.

So what is God's answer to this predicament? Answer is the cross of Jesus Christ.

See despite of Man rightful place to destruction (because of sin..the matter of justice), YET God in Mercy, sacrifice his own begotten Son to represent all of us. That whoever accept Christ Sacrifice on the cross will be redeemed from destruction. It goes without saying the person should also repent or turn away from sin. There is more to explain but i'll spare you the detail for now else this will be too long.

Yet is it enough? Answer is no. This world, everything in it, is tainted with Sin, hence you have things like deformity, evil, injustice, crime, etc etc...too long a list. God has sentence this world to destruction, there is no redeeming this world. On Judgement Day, God will appear to everyone to judge every Man and Woman for their deeds done right or wrong.

There will be a destruction of this world and a New Earth and Heaven will come in to replace this former world where all the redeemed people will live on. Hence the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the reason for Christianity. In this new place, the former things, the former system of the world will be no more because in here God will rule as how you expected of Epicurus has said.

In Heaven and New Earth, God will be the one who govern and rule. There will be no evil in existence.

So to answer..YES God did something, the Cross of Jesus Christ is the answer.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 11 2017, 02:15 PM

I don't know if you realized but you have contradicted yourself many times over and still haven't answered the puzzle. You have claimed that such and such is the properties of god and it does not violate the principles of the puzzle but it violates your own principle that you yourself have attributed to god. For eg:- I will just quote you one of the examples out of many:

One one hand you claim this:

"God is a God of justice and righteousness, this means that He does not bend rules according to his whim and fancy, whatever that is or was established, He follows through, else God cannot be trusted, would you not agree? "

On the other hand say this:

"Now remember I said God is a God of justice? By right Adam should have died because he disobeyed. "

Yes. He should have died. He bent the rules for Adam which you claims he doesn't. If justice is applied arbitrarily, then it is not justice at all, that's one of the tenets of justice.

Plus, Like I already said earlier, if God is omnipotent (meaning able to prevent evil), and he doesn't (regardless of free will) - that shows malevolence. It does not matter where the evil came whether "free will" or not, is not relevant.

Just an advice, in any debate you engage in, god, Christianity or whatever in life, always have consistency is your points, if not, it doesn't look good on your credibility and atheists by now knows exactly how to exploit such weaknesses, trust me

Thanks for taking the time to answer this time.I probably was expecting more insults from this thread. I think I'm gonna go and troll some Muslims/Hindus/Buddhists now

This post has been edited by zamorin: Oct 11 2017, 04:28 PM

For the answer to the oldest puzzle in the world, you can look at it in a few ways:

1. Being the oldest puzzle, there is no answer and it cannot be solved.
2. It is a rhetorical question, the puzzle answers itself.
3. God cannot exist.

Depending on your point of you.

BTW, do you know the story behind why the cross got to be identified with Christianity, since you asked me about the cross earlier?

This post has been edited by zamorin: Oct 11 2017, 05:24 PM

There's no contradiction zamorin, another life had to paid, it wasn't swept under the carpet.

What you call contradiction, I call Love.

When you say God is unable to prevent evil, you don't seem to understand the meaning of free will.

If God were to control the actions of his creation (prevent by force), then free will is lost.

God did not create robots. Sorry but I don't think your point holds against this. Freewill is very relevant.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 11 2017, 07:52 PM

If you can term a "contradiction" as love", then anything can be explained away and words have no meaning to you. You have hallowed out the word empty of all its meaning. and you can't logically continue to debate with anyone who does that.

So black can be white, bad can be good, contradictions can be love and robots can have free will.

Got it. finally you solved the oldest puzzle in the world which held more than 2000 years, yeap

This post has been edited by zamorin: Oct 11 2017, 09:48 PM

Well if God were to punish every individual then you can also swing out the statement...God as being masochist-cruel, Angry and full of Judgmental temperament...isn't it?

I'm not a higher authority than you are, I never was, don't go and simply talk bull about me, I'm flesh and blood like everyone else.

I have my temperament and I have my flaws.

Stop your obsession of vilifying me.

The problem with you is that you keep presupposing something of me which I'm not and never was and because of that you conjure up a situation, an image of your delusional fantasy thinking I'm some kind of villain when all I'm interested was the fellowship of like minded Christians, I have least interest to have anything to do with you in the first place.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 11 2017, 10:35 PM

You may not know this but despite of my difference of opinion with the atheist, I'm not enemies with every atheist in RWI, some of them i just give due respect out of courtesy, like Spikemarlene.

I do engage with them from time to time and Who is not to notice? There was a huge argument between you and the atheist until someone even labelled you as satan or the devil.

Don't pat yourself too much. Stalking you?

Yeah Yeah sure....

Anyone who reads this objectively will know this is not what I meant. Except you of course.

Whether I act as a leader or whatever, what in the world does it concern you?

You want to start suggesting what sort of food I should eat or how I should use the toilet?

Is that what you want to do?

Sure. Whatever you say.

You are really showing your true self. Comparable to the post you posted when you started in lowyat.

I've said what I wanted to say.

I will stop here and I forgive you sylar111 for what you've done to me.

I do this because I want to submit to God and not have hate rule over me.

In the mean time I will pray for you.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 12 2017, 12:18 AM

Hi everyone!

As you know UW I'm not your "follower", we disagree on certain things, BUT you know we follow the fellowship rules. This is of course a fellowship thread and NOT a "discussion" thread per se.

People are free to ask any questions but they do realize that this is thread IS supposed to be a casual, relaxing and friendly thread.

Talibans once in a while do lurked in this thread to caused mischievous.

What else is new. Jeez...

You don't see any contradictions, huh? Or as you would call it "Love"

Like I said:

you are being inconsistent and keep contradicting yourself over and over and over and...

This post has been edited by zamorin: Oct 11 2017, 11:59 PM

No I don't, bro.

Yes by right we were all supposed to be punished for our sins. It is our rightful sentence.

But God in his mercy provided that punishment upon Christ Jesus so that we don't have to be punished and in that providence, we can be redeemed.

Redeemed back to God.

That is God's Love for us.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 12 2017, 12:13 AM

Then it really servers no further purpose, if you don't see or you pretend not to see the contradictions (delusion), even when it was pointed out to you.



This post has been edited by zamorin: Oct 12 2017, 12:16 AM

I thought you were.....



Juuuuussst kidding. How are you?

I don't see a contradiction because a life was taken in judgement.