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I believe that verse applies when a person is forced to drink poison by some circumstance or by another person and not because he purposely want to test this whether this verse is true or not.

What Sylar suggested is as you know stupid, so just ignore him.

We are discovering more evidence for a young earth everyday.

I want to encourage Christians that the accounts of Genesis are accurate, from the pov of geology, genetics, astronomy etc, even the events the 6 day creation and a global flood caused many things that we see today.

Please have a look at the creation ministries, plenty of peer reviewed papers, articles and information.

A good place to start:

http://creation.com/age-of-the-earth

There's too much that evolutionists cannot explain, and they are blind to the evidences right in front of their eyes.

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What is the Gospel?

Galatians (KJV) 1:6-7 -I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

To start off, every word in Scripture is God breathed but not every word in scripture is the gospel.

The word Marvel here is not the Avengers Marvel but Paul was shocked or surprised that there is another gospel preached in error. The Gospel means Good News. What is Good News? Preaching of doom and gloom is good news? Preaching putting demands on the people towards God is good news? They are far from good news and is never the gospel. Have you noticed people in the United States, holding placards with words written like Repent! Hell is Real, Most Christians going to Hell, Turn to Jesus or Burn in Hell, etc?

If you think about it, anybody can quote scripture, but are they telling the Gospel? Those placard should be showing John 3:16: For God so loved the World, that whoever believes in Him Shall never Perish! That is the real Gospel or Good News..Instead of message of doom n gloom.

Jesus Christ came to unveil a gospel that some people may find quite foreign to accept, as much as how the pharisees didn't accept because it sounded foreign to them. The pharisees, leaders of Israel, teachers of the Law was used to the people coming to them, so that they can be the middle person to connect the people to God (their position, the benefit of temple money, etc). They have corrupted their position; instead of helping people, they made (what was already impossible), difficult for the people to come to God.

They didn't like it when Christ came to make God easily accessible. And sadly some people today, wanted to put God on the throne not so easy to approach and put people a bit of distance..not too close else they'll scream blasphemy....Religion and spirit of legality.

Today, I'm here to unveil to you the Gospel as how Christ intended to be. I believe some Church throughout the years have stifled the truth, by mixing the demands of the Law on the believers, corrupting the pure Gospel.

Galatians 1:6-7 tells us very very plainly and clearly. GRACE OF CHRIST = The Gospel. There is no other Gospel other than this, The verse strongly tells us this. So serious is this that Paul announce a double Curse (anathema) to anyone who preaches a different Gospel or a different Jesus. (Galatians 1 verse 8 & 9). Meaning to say there will be no resources (no backing from God) No power in preaching a different gospel, lives will not be transformed. If you notice people are in the place of stagnant, no character change, no miracles from God in their life, bitter, always angry, usually gloom, hardly joyful, you know what sort of gospel they're hearing.

So it stands to reason to understand what is the Grace of Christ? What is Grace? Never allow anyone to define you grace, let the Bible define it.

With Regards to Salvation, Ephesians 2:8 & Romans 3:24 explain it the strongest

Ephesians 2:8-9 (NIV) - For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast.
Romans 3:23-24 (NIV) - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

The definition of Grace is explained clearly here;
Romans 4:4-5 (NIV) - Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.


In summary, what it basically means is this.

If you can work for Salvation then God is obliged to credit that due to you as obligation. Grace on the other hand is a gift of God, unearned or unmerited.

The Gospel is about the Gift of God as unearned or unmerited and it is based on the work of Christ on the cross. Our Faith (Trust) in God who justify the ungodly (You and I) make us Righteous in Christ.

So when there are Christians teaching, putting demands on the Believer, Obedience, the focus is on what you do right or wrong is key to Salvation, that is another Gospel. They're preaching God is obligated to you type of Gospel.

Jesus Christ came to unveil a Gospel that is FREE from all merits. A gift given to you, your position is to receive and allow Grace to change your Life. The Bible clearly states..It is the Goodness of God that lead us to repentance, not the Law or any doctrine or saying of Man. This means God will continually be good to you, despite of your imperfection, you can continue to receive Good that you don't deserve. That will change you, that is the Good News!



God Bless.

What is the Gospel? Part 2

Matthew 25:41 (NIV) - Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

In the previous devotion, we can understand Grace is the Gospel. What was the point of the whole explanation? Salvation can never be earned. It gives greater assurance that anyone can be saved by this, more than the Laws of God can. The 10 commandments was never implemented to save you, it was implemented to bring you to the end of yourself where you come to the place of self reflection if you need a saviour.

Grace gives equal opportunity to everyone because everyone can receive it apart from their own works. No amount of good charity that you do or the amount of obedience you rely on, can bring you into Heaven. God wants to give you Salvation FREE from all merit. Not even merited by your own obedience to God's commandment. No Performance, No works. God would not allow this to be obligated as a wage to a worker.

Why is this important? Because for too long Churches in Malaysia have in a way MIXED UP Law and Grace as condition to Heaven. They may preach to you Salvation is by Grace and they will also MIX IN, you need to be obedient as the other condition, citing the matter of sin and what not. I perfectly understand that. But many Christian do not understand Grace. Bible has define it FREE from works but Christians do not want it to be free from work, so they'll use another terminology and call obedient as "respond to Faith" (citing Faith without works is dead without understand that context) when in actual FACT it is a performance (Man's Effort) and the way it's commonly preach..hinting God is obligate to you now because you obeyed. If you read the Bible, this is not true under the New Covenant.
Some Christians are afraid on banking on Grace alone because they believe without obedience to the Law, people will fall away from God. People are falling away from God because the true Gospel (Grace) is not preached and the Love of God was never unveiled magnificently. Many are still preaching doom and gloom, preaching heavily on sin which caused sincere people to run away because they felt they can never please God. God is not in the business of forcing people, He wants people to do this willingly. I will not further elaborate this as Part 1 of this series has explain this quite sufficiently.

Well as mention previously, the word Gospel means Good News. For Good News to mean Good News, What God has to offer has to be Good News. And Grace is truly Good News when we know, we can just receive Salvation freely just like that. What about repentance then? You mean you can do all kind of sin and evil and still go to Hell? What about the hard verse like it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle than a rich man to enter Heaven. Many times many verses are quoted out of context with regards to this. I will handle this, one at a time. One Devotion is never sufficient to explain everything. I will explain the hard verses in Part 3 of this series.

Many times when Jesus Christ proclaim the Gospel, He also warn of Hell. First we need to understand clearly, God did not create predominantly Hell for you. It was originally created for the Devil and his fallen angels as stated in the text of today's devotion. So do not have this idea, God is unkind or evil to create hell to send people in. Many times in the Bible, it is recorded God is NOT Willing for anyone to perish but to have life and it is eternal by definition. The Bible records God is more pleased that you turn to him and live! I can proof to you this is true. Many opponents of Christianity attack our doctrine by propagating the reverse. If you read 2 Peter 3:9, it basically debunks the attacks as not true.

Is Hell severe? Well Yes. Mark 9:48 tells us; where 'their worm never dies, and the fire is never quenched.' It is a place of suffering, torment and It is severe because the Devil who caused so much evil and pain was meant to be punished severely. It was never meant for you.

Then you will ask me, then how come God still send people to Hell? Well the answer is because:

You slap away the Grace given to you in Jesus Christ. There is no other way aside from this given to you free of charge. What more do you want, when God is kind enough to make this so easy? You just need to receive this Grace willingly. If you reject this Grace, there is no more other sacrifice. Christ is the one acceptable sacrifice before God because He is without sin. You do this on your own decision and choice. God will not be at fault here.

Can't God just give you Salvation just like that? Understand that if God were to give you Salvation just like that, you would be entering into a place foreign to you You will not understand why people live the way they do. You will be at odds because people in there no longer live as how people live in this world. The corruption of Man, matters like jealousy, lying, cheating, back stabbing, being selfish, idolatry of people and things, masturbating, enjoying pornography, sleeping around, having sex with multiple people, eating to survive, self preservation, politics, stepping on others, orgies, gluttony, violence, arrogance, bigotry, proud, racism, racial pride, polygamy, persecuting, etc will cease to exist. These are the very things that corrupted this world and how you wished the world would explode and end because of the many evil. We call this Sin. If you enter in Heaven with the baggage that you have, you risk ruining the New Heaven and Earth and causing it to fall once again and become the irony of your complain against this world.

It stands to reason, to enter Heaven, you need to know the one who created it. He is the owner, the King and Ruler of the place. Where God rule, evil cease to exist because God is the one governing. Understand that you have no power to change yourself. Whether you like it or not, you are under bondage to the power of sin. it's impossible. Only God has that kind of power to change your heart to live right. Jesus state a very profound truth, Apart from Him, you can do absolutely nothing.(John 15:5) Sad to say some Christian believe they can do something, quoting, I'll do my best, God will do the rest. No John 15:5 says, You in yourself, can do nothing. Nothing means nothing, don't add to God's word. Hence repentance is also of God's Grace. (I've shared this before, you can do a search in this thread in how to repent)

Hence the reason why for John 3:16: For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

This life is the Heaven life which only God can give and only God can enable you to live in. It start by believing in the Son of God who died in your place to give you life. He died punished bearing your sins where it should have been you. It was God's idea to send his son to die for you. So do not think God is evil or God is bad or this or that, whatever your mind can conjure up. God is a good God who did this for you, because He loves you.


God Bless.

Understand what is Baptism.

Baptism means to be immersed. metaphorically also, to overwhelm.
Read.

Acts 2:38
Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Read also in the account of Acts 8

Acts 8:16
because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Romans 6:3-4
Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Do you see the word "Baptised INTO Christ"?

Immersion of water is ceremonial. An immersion in water, performed as a sign of the removal of sin. A sign here means as public declaration something like throwing a wedding dinner, but the marriage is legal by signing and oath taking before the officer and is not legal because of the wedding dinner.

One evidence to counter your rebuttal. The dying thief on the cross did no water baptism and yet Christ ushered Him into paradise.

Also the signs and miracles bestowed to the believers are not meant to be used as a test or to test God if it's true. You are ignorant of scripture MENJ. Hence why I ignore your "gift".

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What is "menj"?

you mean who is menj?

someone who didn't understand Christianity.

lol some retard who chose to fight with /k/ cause his maruah tercabar, end up going to jail for 3 days in Johor because he continually insulted the Johor Sultanate

his wife and kid left him, but the embarrassing part was when his wife had to bail him out even when she no longer wanted to have anything to do with him liao




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First of all, u may have been taught what u listed here from your ulama or whosoever. Thats just my take, based on my conversations with muslim friends, but if it is not as such, my apologies.

The bible is a book where u cant pick a single line and literally use it to debate just so with people. It has to be read in the whole context.

Yes, anyone who has listened to the Word of God and experienced the love of God will be damned if they did not baptise into Christ (but the word baptism is as what Unknown Warrior said)

Jesus also said, Follow Him.

As long as anyone has love, he will be saved.

Any muslim, hindhu, buddhist, or caveman has every chance to enter the Kingdom of God because they have love, even if they never heard the Word of God.

Of course, you can stand in front of Jesus and say: I wish not to enter it, but to go to hell. God will not force you. There will be people who are kind etc but enter damnation, because they chose to reject life with Christ, just as a music lover who appreciates rap rejects serene, pop.

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It's the blood of Jesus Christ, my Brother. The Blood of Christ washes the person and remove all his sins.

One needs to relent and admit He is a sinner, He needs a savior, He has no power no strength of his own to save himself, He needs to receive this Gift of Salvation free from all merits, confess it before God;

Accepting Christ has died in his place as his substitute and believe Christ is the Son of God by Faith.

At this point, the person is saved. God is righteous to accept Him as promised.

Wow it takes a unbeliever to point out to us the measurement of a true believer

I am ashamed that I don't measure up

But I will keep on trusting God that one day I will be obedient and brave enough to be used in all the signs listed.

Having said that I feel sorry for bismikaallahuma because he really has no more excuses when he faces the Lord on judgement day. He knows but chooses not to believe.

I pray that he repentance before he dies.

many ppl like tat in the world... only God can dealt with them.. bible said (i forget which verse) , "ye knowth me n yet ye dunno me" i think (KJV)

you mean this one?

Matthew 7:22-23 (NIV) - Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'




Or this one?

Matthew 25:37-38 (NIV) - “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’


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What is the Gospel? Part 3

Matthew 13:11 & 13 (NIV) - He replied, "Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them....Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand

How are you doing Friends? Do you know that how you will receive from God depends on how you see Jesus Christ? Hold your horses, this will be made clear later.

In our previous chapter, we have finished to conclude, Grace is the Gospel, Salvation is given to you freely. Jesus died for you while you are still a sinner. There is Heaven and there is also Hell, Hell is very real. And you already know God did not create Hell for you but Heaven because He loves you.

Today we will deal with hard verses, debunking the abuses used to put people into unscriptural fear. Not every hard scripture is for the christians, we need to correctly divide God's word. (2 Timothy 2:15)

I will pull out the most frequently abused and explain what it means, so that you will understand.

Jesus did say not everyone who calls him Lord Lord will enter into his kingdom but only those who does the will of the Father. (Matthew 7:21) Jesus says, He never knew the person who calls Him Lord Lord. This verse is use to imply we need to work and do something otherwise God will not know us. Actually scripture never say we need to work, we add that in on our own. The Bible says Only those who does the will of the Father. What is the will of the Father? Let Bible interpret Bible.

John 6:40 (NIV) - For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

This is one example of how verse have been misconstrued by ignorance. Now you know the truth, don't allow anyone to put fear into your heart.

What about hard verses like, Count the cost, it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God, You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me, etc.

If you look at the main text of today's devotion, God has assured us, the secret of his Kingdom HAS (past tense) been given to you. It's a given! but not to them. Who are the ones who though seeing but do not see, though hearing, do not see?

Look at the pattern how Jesus treat the people that He met in the Bible. To the tax collectors, the prostitutes, the woman who had 5 husbands, the lame, the blind, etc..Jesus NEVER use hard verses on them. Jesus impart graceful words to this group of people. Jesus made God easily accessible to them.

Also look at the pattern the moment someone recognize Jesus, what did Christ do? If you read Luke 9 Verse 18 - 20, you'll note Jesus asked "Who do you say I am?" (Luke 9:20)
When Peter answered correctly "You are the Messiah!", Jesus unveil revelation of what is about to happen. The secrets kept hidden from more prestigious people of Israel.

On the other hand, to the theologians (Nicodemus) during jesus's ministry, the experts of God's word, the teachers, the Chief priests, the pharisees, the people who ask Jesus.."What must I do?"etc, Jesus gives them hard verses. Why?

As I've mentioned earlier. How you receive from God or how God treats you depends on how you see Jesus.

1. Do you see Jesus as an example, as a teacher, someone as a model to follow..then by that, you try perform to justify before God?

or

2. Do you see Jesus as a Saviour/Messiah, someone you depend on completely as justification before God?

So ask yourself, who do you see Jesus as? No.1 or No.2? Whenever one acknowledge and see Jesus as Saviour, God always reveal his secrets and give much grace to this person.
But whenever someone comes to Him thinking he/she has it all together, God will give you the law or hard verses to see if you measure up. Where do you want to be? Think about it.

God Bless.

Ignoring.

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