This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Sep 5 2017, 10:36 AM

Found one very nice cover song sung few years back by a famous singer from Hong Kong

While I was looking at today sermon verses from the Bible, I come across few verse here from the same book talking about prosperity but not directly

What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all – how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies.
Romans 8:31‭-‬33 NIVUK
http://bible.com/113/rom.8.31-33.NIVUK

Hi Bro,

this verse is a revelation in letting us know God is for us in answering prayers. He will not withhold your prayers in time of your trouble and in time of your need.

You're right, it's not directly something that qualify as prosperity. Prosperity basically means to thrive and a good example to exemplify what it means is to look at the life of Joseph.

Hey, something got me thinking. We've heard much about ministering to people when they're unhappy and outcast. When we think of Jesus, the image of him working with the sick, oppressed, and lonely first come to mind.

But what did Jesus do with people who're already happy and contented with where they are? Those who're not interested in touching God because they don't see the need? I'm sure it's noted somewhere.

What is the Gospel Part 4?

John 10:10 (NIV) - The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

Good Fellow Believers of Jesus Christ. In the previous series of what is the Gospel,

We have come to understand the Gospel is good news of God reaching out to us, people who are lost. Salvation is really about being reconciled back to God as to how it was in the garden of Eden where God's creation (you and I), fellowship with the creator. In the beginning, Man and Woman had relationship with God. Everything was provided for in the garden. Man did not need to eat bread by the sweat of his brow, all he has to do, is to reach out and pluck whatever fruits he desire to eat.

It was only after the fall, everything came in difficult in suffering and in curse. It was after the fall, Man and Woman has lost the relationship and through the deception of the devil, the people of today no longer recognize who God is.

The Salvation that Christ died for us, bring us back to God, it was a reconciliation to Eden. When I read John 10:10, it help me to understand, how we can have access to life as how God originally
intended to be as in the Garden of Eden. When God created this world, it was never in his mind to have any illness or diseases or any suffering. That is why the Lord demonstrated Healing!, Provided providence, delivered people from all kind of bondages.

God did not do all these just to prove himself, He did this because also because that was the life God intended for his creation to have. True, The Lord did say in this world we will have trouble. This is only because the small god of this world is still around. However take heart, the one who is in you is greater in power than the one who is in the world.

The people of this world are so lost, Money has become a god. Many people cannot sleep because they are worried about the future, where will they find income, if they loses their job. Some people, worried for money, seek fortune in various places such as gambling, seek financial opportunity such as forex trading, share trading, etc.

And yet despite seeking all these things, Man is never secured and still feel lost in a way. I'm here to share with you, there is a God who can give you rest, rest from all these seeking. This God of the Bible has proven Himself Faithful and true to his word. I am one of his living testimony. I was once lost too, worried about the future. That is why I fight heavily sharing the gospel. Because in the gospel, when you are reconcile back to God, God can provide for your living! God can move you from the place of your lack to a place of thriving!

The only Irony is that, When you take up this promise, God has granted to you, don't seek money any longer! Because the one who is the Master is God himself, not the money. I want to establish, the gospel is true and is indeed good news! Despite all the claims of the things you see in the internet, mentioning example like "how to get paid Rm500 everyday without working, passive income while you sleep". All these are futile claims and if you put your trust in these things, you will still feel shaken and never secure.

Thousands of years ago, A Man once said, "Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds!"

This is the God whom Christ Jesus came to reconcile you back! Will you not consider accepting Christ as your saviour and find rest from all these vanity?

Do you know that Jesus’ name is also Immanuel, God with us?

This means that our God never leaves us nor forsakes us (see Hebrews 13:5).

He is right by our side to comfort us, strengthen us, and gently guide us by His wisdom.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Sep 5 2017, 01:14 PM

Good morning.

Is polygamy allowed in Christianity?

Debunking Using God for personal benefit?

Matthew 20:28 (NIV) - just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

There are some sayings in the Christian Circle that has spread especially in Malaysia that has caused much hindrances to the believer's life and ironically it has resulted the same believers complaining why God doesn't answer their prayers.

One such teaching is that popular saying asking God in prayer like a christmas wishlist, treating God like a Hotel Bell boy, or the popular using God instead of worshipping God.

And such saying has cause many not to pray. Either that it has caused guilt to people in not daring to ask God. Yet Bible says you have NOT because you asked NOT, ironic isn't it?

As believers, we must learn to discard and disregard the sayings of "man". Because there are some people who has zeal but not according to knowledge of the Bible. These are the religious spirit which has permeated within the pharisees circle thousand of years ago and sadly it still permeates today.

What does the Bible say?

Jesus said, He did not come to be served. Jesus came to serve. If Jesus came to serve, we must allow Him to serve.
You need to ask this question and you may be shocked at the revelation.

Who did Jesus came to serve? Think about it. The answer lies in the very same verse.

Some believers are like the early stage of apostle Peter.

"Lord! You shall NEVER wash my feet".

And it is this sort of believers that hit others You must Worship God and not use God for your own personal benefit. Though it may sound religiously kosher to say such things but it is still the saying of Man. Just know this, sayings of Man are never reliable. Only God's word is reliable.

Do you know, that in order for you to be saved, you need to receive? Our position as believers before God is to be receivers. Unless you allow Jesus to give you, you cannot serve others.

I dare ask you this, WHAT DO YOU HAVE, that you think you can give God? Your very life came from Him. In truth, you have NOTHING you can give. God has all the powers and resources unlimited, everything belongs to him. If you think your obedience is the least you can give to God, THINK again. Philippians 2:13 says, for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose. Still comes back to God as the source.

Truth is, you are bankrupt Man who needs a saviour, if you are willing to admit this truth. And a Man who has nothing needs to be filled with what God has to give.

So dear friends, let us discard everything religious sayings of Man that hinders. We need to keep receiving abundance of God's Grace and his Gift of righteousness that we may reign in Life!

God Bless.

Not really.

Matthew 19:4-6 (NIV) - …Jesus answered, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’ 5and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”

Wife. Singular.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Sep 6 2017, 08:59 AM

Depends on what they are happy and contend about?

If they are happy and contend in this life, still need to preach the gospel, a person's spirit does not die but is eternal, where will the person be without God when he dies?

There is life even after this 1st death.

Still need to preach that every pre-believer has fallen short of God Glory and is a sinner.

Whether the person accepts or not, that is something, we should not force but to leave it at their discretion.

True.

But why did God allow people in Old Testament to have so many wives?

Unknown Warrior,

One more question.

What if a person has few wives and he now decides to be Christian? Does he have to divorce all his wives except his very first wife?

In Malaysia, only Muslim men are allowed to marry up to 4 wives, other race and religions can only marry one (legally of course).

The things that has happened in the OT are meant for us to take heed as warning, to understand, to learn not meant for us to follow after. We are to follow Christ Jesus as the New Covenant. This is explained in:

1 Corinthians 10:11 (NIV) - These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come.

Matthew 19:4-6 was an excerpt taken from Genesis 2:24. God never did sanction a marriage of more than one wife. The people back then did it on their own accord.

God has built and design us in such a way that we feel extremely jealous / hurt / betrayed when our partner decides He/She not only loves us but also another person. This is natural in any woman or man. That is also 1 sign of how we know Polygamy was never God's will.

Yes true, people back in the OT had more than 1 wife and you can also see the problem that came with it, the jealousy and the fighting for attention between wives. This causes untold insecurity for the woman, true back then, true even today.

Look at what happened to King Solomon in this verse

Nehemiah 13:26 (NIV) - Was it not because of marriages like these that Solomon king of Israel sinned? Among the many nations there was no king like him. He was loved by his God, and God made him king over all Israel, but even he was led into sin by foreign women.

This is an indication, More often polygamy opens up problem rather than solving anything.

And to answer your 2nd question. Because they already were married before conversion and thus was ignorant of knowing God's will, and seeing that God also disprove divorce, I don't see why they should divorce as the children will be affected as well. But then this is up to the conviction of the said husband in question. He will need to bear take ownership, responsibility and the consequence of this predicament.

The only thing that I know of, such a Man of this predicament should not be in leadership in a Church. Other than that, I do not know if there is any other violation .

thanks for your very clear explanation.

But I have one more question.

What did Jesus truly mean when he said he came to fulfill what's in Old testament, not to abolish them? Doesn't that mean Christians have to follow the laws in Old Testament as well? Like, rest on the seventh day, do not eat animals that are deemed unclean and etc.

This is one of my favourite verse, that many have misunderstood. Opponents of Christianity often used it against us and "religious" defenders of God's OT law also use it in their theology. Firstly the answer is No to your initial question.

I need to pull out the whole context:

Matthew 5

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.


First you need to understand the reason for God's Law is not to make you righteous but to show you, that you have sin. And Sin only comes in empowerment through God's Law, meaning without God's Law, Sin is also powerless. The Law was designed to only do that.

1 Corinthians 15:56 (NIV) - The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
Romans 7:8 (NIV) - But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead.


If you read the context, if you see the highlighted bold (verse 17, Matthew 5), AND and if you understand the reason for the cross You'll begin to understand the reason why, Jesus said that is because ONLY He alone could fulfilled the Law. Think about it. This verse is essentially saying "I have come to fulfilled it". All the people in the Old Testament could not, even the best among them, King David, A Man after God's own heart failed. Nobody could.

This Law was given in actuality, prepared for the Son of God.

And if you read verse 18, it says there the Law stands until "everything is accomplished". The question to ask is, What is "everything is accomplished"?

Answer is The Cross, the Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Finished Work of Christ. (Read John 19:28.) That is the accomplishment that defeated the devil. In there those who are born again in Christ Jesus are no longer under the Law for justification. The New justification is through the Grace/Mercy of God via our Faith.

Below are the supporting verse to help us know we are no longer under Law.

Romans 7:6 (NIV) - But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. [This verse tells us, we are no longer under law]

Romans 3:24 (NIV) - and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. [justified free from all merits by God's grace, not the law]

Ephesians 1:7 (NIC) - In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace, [not according to the law]

Ephesians 2:8 (NIv) - For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, [The word..not from yourselves here refer to your own works, performance, effort)

Because the Cross has been accomplished, the flipside of verse 18 is true, the smallest letter, the least stroke of a pen in the Law that stood against believers disappears.

You know, Our God is a very very good God. If you understood the Heart of God, why Jesus said, He did not come to abolish the Law but to fulfilled it, you'll begin to realize, He did this to bring all his believers to ENTER in Salvation easy. Think about it. We get to enter in by our Faith in Christ. Our Lord did the tremendously difficult task at the cross. And God's word says when we Love, we fulfilled all the sum total of the Law. It doesn't get any easier than this.

Galatians 5:14 (NIV) - For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
Romans 10:4 (NIV) - Christ is the end of the Law, in order to bring righteousness to everyone who believes. (Not perform)

Hence why Grace of Christ is the Good news. (Gospel = Good news)

Because God is so graceful, we should not take God's grace in vain but to live up to his name.