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 LYN Christian Fellowship V13 (Group), ALL about Jesus Christ.

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QUOTE(Jedi @ Aug 16 2017, 07:34 PM)
I am not very fond of the charismatic movement, but I am not against it either.

I have heard about the real tongue gift and read stories about them, of course, being Catholic I searched the catholic version of tongues.

There are a few examples of saints who spoke in other nation's languages without them knowing, while preaching to them.
There were instances of priests spoke in Bahasa but never had any knowledge of Bahasa, while praying for malaysians in UK and Ireland.

I believed those are real.

However there is also the version where the lead (pastor etc) started shimbala kala shumbi malakala shumbilakala

and everyone besides just started mumbo jumbo the same way.
Any new friends who just joined then started to mumbo jumbo

Was it due to peer pressure?
To feel belonged in the group?
or is it really speaking in tongues?

I never ask. I do not think I am in the position to blasphemy against Holy Spirit.
I am also happy my friends feel closer to God with it than without it.

The gifts are meant for increasing one's faith...be it speak in tongues, prophesy, etc.

I however disagree with some churches pastor who repeatedly ask the congregation to speak in tongues, desire tongues etc rather than increase his or her faith.
would you like me to come to your house for a visit and say "Where is my gift, J?"
wouldnt you respond "IM YOUR GIFT!"
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The church members from the church that I attend to on every Saturday do the same.

They pray in foreign language which is alien to me. I did ask about that and they said it's angel language or the language that was used by Jesus during the ancient time.

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Debunking Hebrews 11:39

Good Day fellow believers,

Today I would like to highlight a verse that's used to purported even though you have Faith, doesn't necessary means you will receive. And they will quote

Hebrews 11:39-40 (NIV) - These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised,

But hardly understand the next verse.

Hebrews 11:40 (NIV) - since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.

We need to understand what is the context of the word promise here. God Promised to Abraham a promised land and that out of him there will be a nation...particularly israel. Israel became at the point of Jacob's name change where He wrestle with God, so there is the one promise left that none of them inherited..the promise Land. That was true in the Old Testament

Verse 40 is a divine mystery as to why Faith is better and complete together with us. Together with us here talks about all of us Christians. For the Israel, their promise is the promised land but for Christians, what God promised us as inheritance are 2 things. 1. is our Salvation. 2. Our brand new body. We already have Salvation, so the one we are still waiting for; is our brand new body.

In fact I can also say it like this. As Christians our promise land = Jesus Christ who is also Our Salvation. When we have Jesus, We have everything. Why? Jesus reconcile us back to Father God. When you have access to God, you have access to his power and resources. Hence also what I mentioned previously on the righteousness of Faith vs Blessing n Curses in subscribing to the Law is inter-related to this.

Father God and our Lord Jesus many time exhort us to believe that He will answer us. Many times in the Bible, you can search it out. Never for once our God tells us, maybe you might receive, maybe you won't. The beginning phrase of Hebrews 1 says it like this:

Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.

This is a statement of assurity, not maybe yes maybe no.

Jesus says BELIEVE and you WILL RECEIVE. This are the eternal unbroken word of God, not mine as recorded in Mark 11:24.

So be very clear that verse 39 of Hebrews 11 talks about the inherited land promise to Israel...which today they HAVE receive. So don't allow anyone to hoodwink you just because they can quote bible verse to put doubt or to scare you off

God Bless.


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QUOTE(NicoRobinz @ Aug 18 2017, 08:00 AM)
The church members from the church that I attend to on every Saturday do the same.

They pray in foreign language which is alien to me. I did ask about that and they said it's angel language or the language that was used by Jesus during the ancient time.
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It's called speaking in tongues.

1 Corinthians 14:2 (NIV) - For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.

The key there is: No one understands them. Meaning in context...Only God can understand.

So it's not speaking in other national languages as in book of Acts.
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