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post Jul 9 2018, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Jul 9 2018, 09:30 PM)
I am more like love the sinner, hate the sin. ..........
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QUOTE(Mr. WongSF @ Jul 9 2018, 03:30 PM)
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Going back to Jesus' sermon on the mount, being angry with you brother for no good reason is equivalent to murder and looking lustfully at another lady is equivalent to committing adultery with her.

Reality is, we sin against God in speech, thought and act daily without even realising it. Even the tiniest selfish thought you have for a fraction of a second is sin.

In my own walk I am more and more sensitive to my sins everyday. Not even talking about porn and things like that, but things like fighting for a parking spot in the morning to work, you dont even realise you are being selfish.

I'm not the 'let go and let God' type too. laugh.gif I agree with the Christian synergism, we are called to work out our salvation, not work for our salvation. Big difference.

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post Jul 10 2018, 06:19 AM

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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Jul 10 2018, 05:52 AM)
Going back to Jesus' sermon on the mount, being angry with you brother for no good reason is equivalent to murder and looking lustfully at another lady is equivalent to committing adultery with her.

Reality is, we sin against God in speech, thought and act daily without even realising it. Even the tiniest selfish thought you have for a fraction of a second is sin.

In my own walk I am more and more sensitive to my sins everyday. Not even talking about porn and things like that, but things like fighting for a parking spot in the morning to work, you dont even realise you are being selfish.

I'm not the 'let go and let God' type too. laugh.gif I agree with the Christian synergism, we are called to work out our salvation, not work for our salvation. Big difference.
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I stand the same with your view. It is exercising the faith. Because faith is believing in something unproven, as God cannot be proven and will never be proven by human (not until Jesus arrives ofc), and so we need to make sure our faith remains strong, or increases in strength by exercising it. That is the only purpose of doing works, imo.
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post Jul 10 2018, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jul 9 2018, 10:17 PM)
Yes you were correct but that was in the past. A similar question was posed to Pope Francis (the current pope) and his reply was ”Who am I to judge?", which is strikingly similar if not almost plagiarised from Jesus himself "My friend, who gave me the right to judge ..."

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Did Jesus say that? HMmmmmmmm
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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Jul 10 2018, 07:37 AM)
I stand the same with your view. It is exercising the faith. Because faith is believing in something unproven, as God cannot be proven and will never be proven by human (not until Jesus arrives ofc), and so we need to make sure our faith remains strong, or increases in strength by exercising it. That is the only purpose of doing works, imo.
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Actually God was already proven in Jesus.
You are thinking as a 21st century person to demand 'scientific' proof?

In the ancient ways, prophecies and their fulfilment were proofs of God, especially the messianic prophecies. That is how God proved His existence to Israel through His messiah.


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14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
If you go by how researcher's and real scientific proof, it is already done. That is the reason real serious researchers have come to know Jesus when ultimately the evidences prove God rather than disprove.


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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 10 2018, 08:27 AM)
Did Jesus say that?  HMmmmmmmm
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Of course, He said that, it's in the Holy Bible. Don't tell me that I am expected to quote that verse where exactly it's in the Bible.

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Here's the great divide where finally it all comes to this, to be able to be born of the Holy Spirit.....

"I am telling you the truth, no one can see the Kingdom of God, unless he is born again." ~ Jesus Christ


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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jul 10 2018, 09:01 AM)
Of course, He said that, it's in the Holy Bible. Don't tell me that I am expected to quote that verse where exactly it's in the Bible.
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Yes Please

Please quote the verses and passage.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 10 2018, 09:17 AM)
Yes Please

Please quote the verses and passage.
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"My friend, who gave me the right to judge ....." ~ Jesus Christ [Luke 12:14]

This is my first and my last referencing online, i thought Christians must know their Holy Scrotuyres by heart ❤️.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jul 10 2018, 09:29 AM)
"My friend, who gave me the right to judge ....." ~ Jesus Christ [Luke 12:14]

This is my first and my last referencing online, i thought Christians must know their Holy Scrotuyres by heart ❤️.
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You are better than me at scriptures. smile.gif
But its only a part verse? Nothing to do with sin judgement?

Here

13 And one of the company said unto him, Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me.
14 And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?
15 And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.
16 And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully:
17 And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits?
18 And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods.
19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.
20 But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?
21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.





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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 10 2018, 08:36 AM)
Actually God was already proven in Jesus.
You are thinking as a 21st century person to demand 'scientific' proof?

In the ancient ways, prophecies and their fulfilment were proofs of God, especially the messianic prophecies. That is how God proved His existence to Israel through His messiah.
Therefore,
If you go by how researcher's and real scientific proof, it is already done. That is the reason real serious researchers have come to know Jesus when ultimately the evidences prove God rather than disprove.
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We do not need proof as we are what Jesus spoke of in,

John 20
29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

The greatest gifts are wrapped in doubt. If the gift comes with evidence, faith is no longer required.
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post Jul 10 2018, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Jul 10 2018, 11:57 AM)
We do not need proof as we are what Jesus spoke of in,

John 20
29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

The greatest gifts are wrapped in doubt. If the gift comes with evidence, faith is no longer required.
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Think what you are describing is blind faith.

We do not need to see Jesus personally, but we need to hear His word and believe it.

"And the one on whom seed was sown on the good soil, this is the man who hears the word and understands it; who indeed bears fruit and brings forth, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty."


God does not promote blind faith. Indeed faith comes by hearing of His word. His word proclaims Himself.
Faith is not blind, but proven through His word.
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Guys, this thread has already reached it max capacity, so UW is going to close this thread soon but who want to take over as the new TS for this new CF thread?

Haledoch and Prophetjul or Desmond2020 willing to be the new TS? just copy and paste the first paste and add in the link for this thread version as well in the first first
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QUOTE(Dern @ Jul 9 2018, 07:28 PM)
eerrr, if you intend to repeat sin, what's the point of God forgive you ? the example you quote is not that heavy, what if one day it is a heavy crime ? anyway, everything will have it's consequences whether you accepted Christ already or not....
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watching porn is not that heavy? Ok.

So what is considered heavy crime? Murder? Rape? Theft?

So will I still go to Heaven for watching porn since it's not that heavy?

Pls kindly list down the verses supporting your statement of what is heavy & what is not so heavy & what are the differences in consequences due to the ‘magnitude’ of that particular sin.


QUOTE(thomasthai @ Jul 10 2018, 05:52 AM)
Going back to Jesus' sermon on the mount, being angry with you brother for no good reason is equivalent to murder and looking lustfully at another lady is equivalent to committing adultery with her.

Reality is, we sin against God in speech, thought and act daily without even realising it. Even the tiniest selfish thought you have for a fraction of a second is sin.

In my own walk I am more and more sensitive to my sins everyday. Not even talking about porn and things like that, but things like fighting for a parking spot in the morning to work, you dont even realise you are being selfish.

I'm not the 'let go and let God' type too. laugh.gif I agree with the Christian synergism, we are called to work out our salvation, not work for our salvation. Big difference.
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Firstly you say that Calvinist believe in monergism. But you agree with Christian synergism.

You are clearly contradicting yourself.

“….continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.” – Philippians 2:12

“The Fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom.” - Proverbs 9:10


What is there to fear anymore, when my soul is no longer in danger of Hell fire since I can’t be unsaved? I'm already elected & predestined & i believe that Jesus died for my sins on the cross.

Not Buddha, not Mohamed, etc. So your point on works salvation is moot.

The fear of the Lord is no longer there. God is only Love, Love & Love from now on.

Also, what is the difference whether I lust after the porn stars or really committing adultery in the flesh since I can’t be unsaved? Since you said the below yourself :

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we sin against God in speech, thought and act daily


This is what you've been led to believe. You're just regurgitating what you've been taught.

Are you trying to tell me that fighting over a parking spot is equivalent in magnitude to committing adultery? At which point will i be "cut off & burned?"

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Like Dern above, your description of sin is vague in terms of its magnitude, because you do not know how to quantify sin. Assign weightage so to speak. I mentioned before in the thread, i urge you to research Hamartiology (study of sin)
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The biblical definition of "sinner" is one that does willful sin.

Sin isn't an inbred disease, (the : we sin because we are sinners myth) But rather it's an act of one's own volition.

Majority of Christians are confused that we have inherited a "sin nature" from Adam. Therefore, they assume that we will continue sinning until the day we die even after coming to Christ.

There is NO SUCH THING as SIN NATURE!

The only thing we inherited from our first parents is the curse of physical death. That is why the mortality rate is 100%. Still is.

The heart/our soul/ our free will (whatever you choose to call it) makes the decision to either sin or obey. The body just executes it. That is all. There is nothing sinful dwelling in these sacks of flesh that causes us to sin!

Don't believe when you're told that babies are born with a sin nature. They behave accordingly through observation & habits inculcated.
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jul 10 2018, 05:20 PM)
Guys, this thread has already reached it max capacity, so UW is going to close this thread soon but who want to take over as the new TS for this new CF thread?

Haledoch and Prophetjul or Desmond2020 willing to be the new TS? just copy and paste the first paste and add in the link for this thread version as well in the first first
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Very sorry dude. I am too weak to hold this responsibility. Anyone please honor this.. but if no one wants, how about sylar? icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 10 2018, 04:26 PM)
Think what you are describing is blind faith.

We do not need to see Jesus personally, but we need to hear His word and believe it.

"And the one on whom seed was sown on the good soil, this is the man who hears the word and understands it; who indeed bears fruit and brings forth, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty."
God does not promote blind faith. Indeed faith comes by hearing of His word. His word proclaims Himself.
Faith is not blind, but proven through His word.
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Hmmm maybe, because my view on faith is very simple. Just on this verse I refer to,

Hebrews 11
1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.
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QUOTE(Haledoch @ Jul 11 2018, 08:05 AM)
Hmmm maybe, because my view on faith is very simple. Just on this verse I refer to,

Hebrews 11
1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.
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You should continue reading on

2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

They all heard the word of God and acted on it.

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