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 V1. Swiftlet Keeping-EVERYTHING About The Industry, Techniques, Tips, Tricks, Complaints etc

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100plus7up
post Jul 16 2008, 08:58 PM

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i heard somebody said b4 that swiftlets do not like new building because of the smell of cement issit true???
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post Jul 16 2008, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jul 13 2008, 08:45 PM)
Kok Loh,

Never buy and Sell swiftlet eggs, Fellow BHs owners !!!!! you don't need the extra ringgit by selling Bird Eggs. If you want to sell eggs, sell duck eggs or chicken eggs. We, Swiftlets ranchers are protectors of swiftlets....we protect them from harm and we harvest the nest. Fair deal. Never harm the hand that feed..... that's my opinion.

7 years ago before I started Swiftlets farming, I was curios about the industry and happened to have a far relative doing Swiftlet ranching in Indo. Phone him up and he was most willing to help me but another far relative came to know about what I was going to start, phone me to refrain me from doing it.

His argument was that those who are in this trade do have good life and bad omen may pass to the next generation. He asked me to go to Indo to have a look at those families involve in BHs.

Now, after into the trade for so many years, I understand why.
In Indo, they harvest irrespectively of whether with eggs or babies. If the nests are big enough, they are harvested. We became killer of life and worse of those who kill the hands that feed. I was never of that type and that's why I am blessed with thousands of birds. I let them multiply and multiply. Forget the consultants that tell you that white nest fetch better price and that half cup is better than quarter cup. Thousand quarter cups is better than  hundred half cups. Let the swiftlets multiple and soon you have result that you never have imagine. But the most importance of all, it is good for your soul and God bless you for that.

This is the truth that if you allow the swiftlets to breed and not being selfish,
you will see your BH improve very fast. Once, a consultant told me to harvest nest irrespective of eggs or chicks for that most of the new birds aren't your's anyway. Just think, if everyone do the same, where come the new birds. Do you really think that GOD create birds, too. No, GOD create our hearts. Even if I lose 70% of the new birds, I still have an increment of 30% new birds. Then, if other BHs did the same, I may end up having more than 100% increment in new Birds in every 4 months cycle; more from other BHs.

But....but If all follow that consultant's advice and what's balance 0 new bird to be share.
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post Jul 16 2008, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(100plus7up @ Jul 16 2008, 08:58 PM)
i heard somebody said b4 that swiftlets do not like new building because of the smell of cement issit true???
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Not only swiftlet, human too doesn't like new cement because it's acidic and hurt your skin. New BH's has cemment dust that cause irritation to birds.
So, wash with alot of water if the cemment is new and new cement is hot too. Nothing to do with smell just dust and acidic.........and that's my opinion.




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post Jul 17 2008, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jul 16 2008, 08:38 PM)
Get rid of the bat. One method is to use a fishing net and then dispose of the bat far away. Swiftlets dislike bats and it will affect your swiftlets growth.

One reason why you put light above the entrance is to prevent bats and owl from entering and if you cannot get them out, catch them and put them far away. Remember to clean away the bat shit and smell.

Hey, anyone has Bat repellent, hahaha

That my humble suggestion, I am no Sifu.........only an old BH Rancher.

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Yeah ,better rid those bats quickly otherwise bats will start breeding and your bird house will become bats house.The bat shit spot must be clean and maybe use some ammonia liquid to rub on that spot to clear the smell totally.I am also no sifu,I just sell things....keke
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post Jul 17 2008, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(SAMGAN @ Jul 17 2008, 12:30 AM)
Yeah ,better rid those bats quickly otherwise bats will start breeding and your bird house will become bats house.The bat shit spot must be clean and maybe use some ammonia liquid to rub on that spot to clear the smell totally.I am also no sifu,I just sell things....keke
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I like the term, "Bat house" then you will become Batman not Birdman. So, Samgan sell ammonia liquid so if you need it, buy from Samgan or other friendly suppliers at this forum. Otherwise clean it with water and if you like, spray some swiftlet's prefume. Bats sometime are difficult to get rid of and that why you must get them off or otherwise, they will make it their permanent home. Then, brother, you are in trouble.

Best of Luck to you and happy catching Bats, Mr. Batman.
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post Jul 17 2008, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(yscagro @ Jul 16 2008, 08:40 PM)
bat!! vy bad!!....hope sifu's out there can help...i got 1 unit happen to be like this as well......
try to counter attack many times but still come back....
so....scratch head also...hahahaha.....
but for what i know, there are few reason n few method
reason bad coming in:-
too dark inside
too new
too rural area

method to fix this:-
change entrance hole
switch on the light for sometime inside the birdhouse
put some aroma on the bat spot!.....

but 3 of this method i have done...stil some little baby bat coming bat....but i think they quite frenly....
the bat jus stay 1foot next to my bird...jus worry 1 thing is dat they will eat up my nest.....sigh sigh

sifU!!! helP!!!
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put the neon light at the entrance hole, secondly at noon use the rat catch glue to get them out.
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post Jul 17 2008, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jul 16 2008, 08:16 PM)
How to say this, for you can only compare old building to new building and not new BH building which is specially built for Swiftlets.

For new Swiftlets BH, it depend on the Sifu  who do the renovation and the abilities to attract birds depend on the ability of your Sifu.

For old building vs new building of same height, normally old building shall be much better than new one. If the new building is much higher, then there shall be a changes that the new one will fare better in years to come. I have seem many old houses without renovation have hundreds of nest sticking to the ceiling and even the electrical wiring is not spare. In trying to s, normally higher building attract more swiftlets.

I am no Sifu, that's my humble observation during past many years.
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thanks. must be the cement then. wink.gif

somehow from few observations those new birdhouse that's build specially for swiftlet raching are yielding slower.


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post Jul 17 2008, 02:04 PM

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Some Bloggers Kia Su, like only compliments but not comments although one should never criticize. Some think that they can do no wrong..............you are fooling yourself to think this way. C'mon, you never improve without constructive comments or friendly suggestion. So don't worry and sad, we, the readers love you all and only give our views to your blog and pls. no hard feeling. Any comments?

But remember I am not commenting or refering to any particular Blogger in particular so never add salt to my comments.

I love to read websites on swiftlets and forums, too and do it almost everyday except I am o'sea.

Calvin Lee


Added on July 17, 2008, 2:15 pm
QUOTE(athlic @ Jul 17 2008, 01:45 PM)
thanks. must be the cement then. wink.gif

somehow from few observations those new birdhouse that's build specially for swiftlet raching are yielding slower.
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So, you can differentiate between good Sifu and Half Can Sifu but sometime locations, and luck also take into consideration. I have a friend just build a BH in his Oil Palm estate and walau, less than 2 months, over 20 nests and more comming. He is lucky as no perfume or special sound was even used........ so guy is lucky.


So, if you have all and done all and still no nest, look at the sky and pray, pray hard for good luck and fortune............or you may send sos to this forum and the Sifus here maybe able to help you, more heads is better than one head.




Calvin Lee


Added on July 17, 2008, 2:19 pmOyes,

for the new comer to this industry, go to the following to learn

Some links regarding swiftlet farming:
Kong Heng Swiftlets Equipments Supply
Nest Tech Equipment Technology
Ming-Yan.com
Nest Talk Consultation Service
Crystal Swiftlets
Klub Peternak Walet - Indonesia
aerodramus.com

Blogs regarding swiftlet farming:
Swiftlets Farming: Million Dollars Potential
Swiftlet Farming : an Addictive Hobby & Multi-Million Dollar Business
Johan Walet.com
GMYS ENTERPRISE-Menjual Peralatan Memancing Burung Walet
Swallow Bird Nest Indonesia
燕农天地与燕屋管理 (swiftlet farming & management)
aerodramus.com


Compliment from SeeSang ( I took the liberty to cut and paste from his comments)

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post Jul 17 2008, 06:24 PM

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Thank you very much to all of you.

I know is not easy to get rid of the bat but it have to be done. I know is not easy since she is resting in different places in the farm.

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post Jul 18 2008, 12:44 AM

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QUOTE(xunji @ Jul 17 2008, 10:19 AM)
put the neon light at the entrance hole, secondly at noon use the rat catch glue to get them out.
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put rat catch glue??? 1st time i heard about this...how it works??? where u place it?? can u explain?? much appreciated....
thanks in advance

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post Jul 18 2008, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(yscagro @ Jul 18 2008, 12:44 AM)
put rat catch glue??? 1st time i heard about this...how it works??? where u place it?? can u explain?? much appreciated....
thanks in advance
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at day time when the bat rest, take a long wood and on the top of the wood attach a cucumber with coconut lili. the rat glue apply to the lili. it a like bunga mangga" for malay wedding. so when u come near to the bat the lili will glue to the bat make the bat can fly so just pick it up and dispose it far from your fram.
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post Jul 18 2008, 09:55 AM

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Mr. KelvinHeng,

I see you are viewing this site and I have been having difficulty getting in touch with you regarding my order. Called your H/P, send you e-mail but no luck. Please advice where or how to get in touch with you.

Thanks.


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post Jul 18 2008, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(xunji @ Jul 18 2008, 09:02 AM)
at day time when the bat rest, take a long wood and on the top of the wood attach a cucumber with coconut lili. the rat glue apply to the lili. it a like bunga mangga" for malay wedding. so when u come near to the bat the lili will glue to the bat make the bat can fly so just pick it up and dispose it far from your fram.
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You must be quick to glue bats that way because from what I understand bats are hard to catch when they start flying around in the BH.Even using scooping fish net will not get the job done.Some say use badmintan net to corner it and then use badminton racket to hit it(good for badminton practice too keke)There is another kind of net used to catch birds maybe that one can be use too.
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post Jul 19 2008, 12:51 AM

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hmmm.....thanks for teaching....learn something new....i will give it a try......thanks for the helpful info...appreciated.....
by the way, i got 1 Question to ask all the pro out there.....
i face a problem get ask by 1 of my fren.....

the problem is, HOW YOU ALL COUNT THE BH UNIT....
what i trying to mean is, when ur fren ask u, how many unit BH u hav? how would you ans and how do you all count BH unit???

do you count by floor?? or count by block???
for example, if you have a 4 storey building, and u convert ur top 3 storey into BH, u consider this as 1 BH or 3 BH???
because the fren of mine, ans this as 3BH! but for me i would say 1 unitl...

WHat you guys think and know?? please lead me to the right thing...thanks!

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post Jul 19 2008, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(yscagro @ Jul 19 2008, 12:51 AM)
hmmm.....thanks for teaching....learn something new....i will give it a try......thanks for the helpful info...appreciated.....
by the way, i got 1 Question to ask all the pro out there.....
i face a problem get ask by 1 of my fren.....

the problem is, HOW YOU ALL COUNT THE BH UNIT....
what i trying to mean is, when ur fren ask u, how many unit BH u hav? how would you ans and how do you all count BH unit???

do you count by floor?? or count by block???
for example, if you have a 4 storey building, and u convert ur top 3 storey into BH, u consider this as 1 BH or 3 BH???
because the fren of mine, ans this as 3BH! but for me i would say 1 unitl...

WHat you guys think and know?? please lead me to the right thing...thanks!
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In my opinion ,no matter how many floors you have still consider 1 BH.If one has a 3 storeys bungalow,one will still say 'I have one bungalow'.I think that make sense.
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post Jul 19 2008, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(yscagro @ Jul 19 2008, 12:51 AM)
hmmm.....thanks for teaching....learn something new....i will give it a try......thanks for the helpful info...appreciated.....
by the way, i got 1 Question to ask all the pro out there.....
i face a problem get ask by 1 of my fren.....

the problem is, HOW YOU ALL COUNT THE BH UNIT....
what i trying to mean is, when ur fren ask u, how many unit BH u hav? how would you ans and how do you all count BH unit???

do you count by floor?? or count by block???
for example, if you have a 4 storey building, and u convert ur top 3 storey into BH, u consider this as 1 BH or 3 BH???
because the fren of mine, ans this as 3BH! but for me i would say 1 unitl...

WHat you guys think and know?? please lead me to the right thing...thanks!
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Its only logical to consider a three storey BH as one unit but unless your friend wants to exaggerate his asset.


Added on July 19, 2008, 9:38 am
After studying all the responds about the bat in my BH, I think I have the answer to it now.

I will inspect the bird farm in the day time and if I do find her resting inside, I will use a 1" X 3" plank applied heavily with rat glue to get her. I will then dispose her far away from the farm. She will die gradually since she is unable to fly because of the rat glue attach to her body.

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post Jul 19 2008, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(tsm198092 @ Jul 15 2008, 08:16 AM)
kelvin

ths thg he told me a few month ago. mayb nw he found tht u can help him, so so nice with u nw.

jt beware, buddy

ppl have 2 ears, also have "2 face".

As  i knw from my friend, u r very good consultant, better tht Mr.........................

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Hi sir,

ok i apologize if i make mistake. If free we yam cha. Seeseng ,.....no worry......just make sure this forum remain for learning ...not sabotaj. Thank you and had called up harry 2 days ago....he knew about this.....

sincerely
Kelvin C C heng
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QUOTE(GOHCHUA @ Jul 19 2008, 09:28 AM)
Its only logical to consider a three storey BH as one unit but unless your friend wants to exaggerate his asset.


Added on July 19, 2008, 9:38 am
After studying all the responds  about the bat in my BH, I think I have the answer to it now.

I will inspect the bird farm in the day time and if I do find her resting inside, I will use a 1" X 3" plank applied heavily with rat glue to get her. I will then dispose her far away from the farm. She will die gradually since she is unable to fly because of the rat glue attach to her body.
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1" x 3" wood I think will be quite difficult but never try never know.Let us know if it works.And if you really happen to catch one ,you better kill it on the spot rather than letting it dies a slow death.Cheers(Btw if u nid rat glu ar,I oso got sell give u cheap cheap la odourless one sum more keke)
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QUOTE(SAMGAN @ Jul 19 2008, 09:33 PM)
1" x 3" wood I think will be quite difficult but never try never know.Let us know if it works.And if you really happen to catch one ,you better kill it on the spot rather than letting it dies a slow death.Cheers(Btw if u nid rat glu ar,I oso got sell give u cheap cheap la odourless one sum more keke)
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Have to find her first. Have been inspecting the farm for the past few days in the afternoon but no sign for her. Look like its a highly educated bat who knows that I am after her.

Will keep you inform if I do find her.
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QUOTE(SAMGAN @ Jul 19 2008, 08:08 AM)
In my opinion ,no matter how many floors you have still consider 1 BH.If one has a 3 storeys bungalow,one will still say 'I have one bungalow'.I think that make sense.
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One building is one building and one BH BLD is one BH BLD. If you take in account of floor by floor then what about sizes one 20 by 60 and the other 40 by 100 then what. In BHs, sizes isn't importance, what is importance is the number of nests. One BH haveing 5K nests is better than 5 BHs having 100 nests, simple mathematic. Here, we take care about how many nests you have and care not how big your BH is.

Once, there was this one BH owner having a row of 5 shop lots modified into BHs and only have 4 nest after 2 years. Another, just having a room (12 by 15) in his shop converted into BH and he has over 300 nest in 2 years. Big doesn't make any difference.

I rest my case


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