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post Mar 31 2021, 03:40 PM


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QUOTE(shyan90's @ Mar 31 2021, 11:55 AM)
Din think of it...If the hole getting loosen can try your way :/
Haiz... too greedy drill using 6mm end up too big....and I keep use plastic wall plug make it even bigger :/
Ok..But the problem the door is hollow...dont have things to support...only the thin wooden can support sikit...now so far 2kg no issue....still solid...just takut if someone accidently tarik the bar will rip the whole hanger straight off from the door sad.gif
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Mar 31 2021, 03:17 PM)
Actually hollow door not suitable for the screw in type.. if you use hanging on the top of the door type 10kg also no prob.
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No choice...my door is not normal size I think...94inch high and 27inch wide

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QUOTE(shyan90's @ Mar 31 2021, 04:32 PM)
No choice...my door is not normal size I think...102inch high and 27inch wide
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Oohh, hollow like that normal plywood bedroom door? Unless you change to solid, there is limit to how much weight it can handle.

How do you put wall plug to this? It will not have firm hold unless it has stud in the middle but I think only horizontal in the middle. I would try to use hollow wall anchor like picture below. The plastic anchor is easy to remove. The metal butterfly anchor one once you install the wing part will fall behind wall once you unscrew smile.gif

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QUOTE(Zot @ Apr 1 2021, 08:11 AM)
Oohh, hollow like that normal plywood bedroom door? Unless you change to solid, there is limit to how much weight it can handle.

How do you put wall plug to this? It will not have firm hold unless it has stud in the middle but I think only horizontal in the middle. I would try to use hollow wall anchor like picture below. The plastic anchor is easy to remove. The metal butterfly anchor one once you install the wing part will fall behind wall once you unscrew  smile.gif

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hollow wall anchor? Can get it normal hardware shop..? I now just use wayaring tape to wrap the wall plug into size I want then I hammer it down into that hole...will move abit but once I screw in it only shake abit like 1mm like that still acceptable...
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QUOTE(shyan90's @ Apr 1 2021, 09:43 AM)
hollow wall anchor? Can get it normal hardware shop..? I now just use wayaring tape to wrap the wall plug into size I want then I hammer it down into that hole...will move abit but once I screw in it only shake abit like 1mm like that still acceptable...
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Very common. Easily found in hardware shop



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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Mar 30 2021, 12:21 PM)
It depends on usage pattern. For commercial use or home use biggrin.gif actually some EC brushless like the GBH180LI cordless i remember getting it (EC brushless solo) for approx 350 to 360 bucks as sifu ijan recommended laugh.gif so it didn't really cost more than the outgoing brushed model i would say?
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Are you sure you are talking about the brushless model? Because RM 350 to 360 is a really great price. Bought online, or in a store?
(Why oh why, Bosch, couldn't you change the designation even a bit? Or the look even??)
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As you can see, the solo version of brushed model is priced
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While the newer brushless version is priced
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(No links with this shop, it just was the first online store that had both the models for sale for a fair comparison.)
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QUOTE(shyan90's @ Apr 1 2021, 09:43 AM)
hollow wall anchor? Can get it normal hardware shop..? I now just use wayaring tape to wrap the wall plug into size I want then I hammer it down into that hole...will move abit but once I screw in it only shake abit like 1mm like that still acceptable...
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Don't use the plastic "Butterfly plug". It is designed for the thickness of plaster ceiling/plaster board/sheetrock. If you use it for your door, constructed from plywood, you won't be able to tighten the screw enough until the ends actually anchor the plug. Your best bet would be the toggle bolt in Zot's post

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GSB-180li @ RM475 including 2x 2.0Ah battery + charger + fisherman’s box case + 41 drill bits, okay price?
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QUOTE(stormer.lyn @ Apr 4 2021, 09:44 PM)
Are you sure you are talking about the brushless model? Because RM 350 to 360 is a really great price. Bought online, or in a store?
(Why oh why, Bosch, couldn't you change the designation even a bit? Or the look even??)
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As you can see, the solo version of brushed model is priced
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While the newer brushless version is priced
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(No links with this shop, it just was the first online store that had both the models for sale for a fair comparison.)
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Bought online. Should be brushless based on the stickers tongue.gif

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Ahh my apologies I messed up the pricing abit, should be RM395 c/w a set of free Makita bits and the briefcase.
Coz that time they had a promo for Grabpay I got to claim the RM80 grabpay credit for GBH180LI back then
Idk why in my mind it was ~350-360 worth (I think I must have discounted away the briefcase and set of free Makita bits) notworthy.gif notworthy.gif apologies!

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All in all gross 768 after some free shipping etc. Actual value undiscounted should be around 777.

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Apr 4 2021, 11:24 PM)
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GSB-180li @ RM475 including 2x 2.0Ah battery + charger + fisherman’s box case + 41 drill bits, okay price?
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from the 475
GSB180LI w/ fisherman box solo is 229
balance 246
for one piece 2AH its already 207
for set of 2pc 2AH and one charger its 379 https://shopee.com.my/BOSCH-18V-2AH-STARTER...00441.289836963
so for your case looks good thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Apr 5 2021, 12:02 AM)
Bought online. Should be brushless based on the sticker tongue.gif

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Ahh my apologies I messed up the pricing abit, should be RM395 c/w a set of free Makita bits and the briefcase.
Coz that time they had a promo for Grabpay I got to claim the RM80 grabpay credit for GBH180LI back then
Idk why in my mind it was ~350-360 worth (I think I must have discounted away the briefcase and set of free Makita bits) notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif apologies!

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All in all gross 768 after some free shipping etc. Actual value undiscounted should be around 777.

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from the 475
GSB180LI w/ fisherman box solo is 229
balance 246
for one piece 2AH its already 207
for set of 2pc 2AH and one charger its 379 https://shopee.com.my/BOSCH-18V-2AH-STARTER...00441.289836963
so for your case looks good thumbup.gif
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Thanks. Placed order already laugh.gif Would cancel if you said can get cheaper laugh.gif

Now to the next question. Which drill bit(brand/model) recommended for tile drilling? Need them for towel rail and mirror in bathroom.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Apr 5 2021, 12:17 AM)
Thanks. Placed order already laugh.gif Would cancel if you said can get cheaper laugh.gif

Now to the next question. Which drill bit(brand/model) recommended for tile drilling? Need them for towel rail and mirror in bathroom.
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I think this is quite a good deal, there may be some TnG credit promo to claim (current ongoing) IIRC.
For the solo unit nowadays very expensive already. So it may not be so worth to buy piecemeal like my rotary hammer, 2021 combo meal cheaper laugh.gif

Seems like everything went up RM50..
GBH180 rotary hammer solo also around 450 nowadays..
GSB180 impact drill solo was 219/229 (briefcase/fisherman) last year.. was 180 but earlier seller I ordered from didn't want to ship out from March till May

Fisherman box itself also worth RM50 on its own coz its a very nice toolbox for the price laugh.gif

For your question..
usually I use CYL-9 for tiles https://shopee.com.my/MAJU-Quality-CYL-9-Ce...37111.192248145
You can also use Makita glass bits but cost a bit more https://shopee.com.my/MAKITA-GLASS-DRILL-BI...6835.9004738524

It will need 5 min, use slow mode (gear 1) on your GSB180 on drill mode only (without the hammer!)
Slower you go the longer the bits last. They wear out crazy fast /break easily if you rempit them.
After the hole passed the tile already, change to the cheaper masonry bit, and impact mode the mortar behind the tile.

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QUOTE(stormer.lyn @ Apr 4 2021, 09:44 PM)
Are you sure you are talking about the brushless model? Because RM 350 to 360 is a really great price. Bought online, or in a store?
Per https://www.bosch-pt.com.sg/sg/media/countr...n_january-2.pdf page 12 of the SG catalog
I think easiest to weigh the tool to see.

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Per shopee buyer reviews (with pics) at https://shopee.com.my/Bosch-GBH180-LI-Li-Io...0559.7447620575
there are some which have BL sticker and some without sticker (presumably brushed)


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QUOTE(stormer.lyn @ Apr 4 2021, 10:08 PM)
Don't use the plastic "Butterfly plug". It is designed for the thickness of plaster ceiling/plaster board/sheetrock. If you use it for your door, constructed from plywood, you won't be able to tighten the screw enough until the ends actually anchor the plug. Your best bet would be the toggle bolt in Zot's post

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Not necessarily for the plastic also. Once you screw deeper and deeper, the hinged part of the plastic will be pushed deeper thus the wing will be pushed to the plywood and applied pressure. The wings are not necessarily have to be flat in position. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Zot @ Apr 5 2021, 08:05 AM)
Not necessarily for the plastic also. Once you screw deeper and deeper, the hinged part of the plastic will be pushed deeper thus the wing will be pushed to the plywood and applied pressure. The wings are not necessarily have to be flat in position.  smile.gif
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No it won't. You can't physically tighten the butterfly plug infinitely. These plugs are designed for the thickness of sheetrock, but go ahead and be the typical M'sian installer, and use the wrong item for the task.

Maybe you'll get lucky and the butterfly plug will hold by the very tips of the wings, and you can repeat your anecdotal story "it worked for me for 30 years...!", but it still is the wrong fastener for this use case.

I prefer to do things the right way, especially if I am DIY-ing. I DIY not just because I want to just save money (and the truth is, it often is more expensive all in. Just ask the serious DIYs like ceo684 who buy their tools how much they spend to DIY and "save money" tongue.gif ) but also because I want it done right, not by some bangla (apologies, I refer to the working culture, not the person) "Ok bos, boleh bikin", and have it fall off in 3 months after he has taken the money and disappeared. But you do you.
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QUOTE(stormer.lyn @ Apr 5 2021, 09:32 AM)
No it won't. You can't physically tighten the butterfly plug infinitely. These plugs are designed for the thickness of sheetrock, but go ahead and be the typical M'sian installer, and use the wrong item for the task.

Maybe you'll get lucky and the butterfly plug will hold by the very tips of the wings, and you can repeat your anecdotal story "it worked for me for 30 years...!", but it still is the wrong fastener for this use case.

I prefer to do things the right way, especially if I am DIY-ing. I DIY not just because I want to just save money (and the truth is, it often is more expensive all in. Just ask the serious DIYs like ceo684 who buy their tools how much they spend to DIY and "save money"  tongue.gif  ) but also because I want it done right, not by some bangla (apologies, I refer to the working culture, not the person) "Ok bos, boleh bikin", and have it fall off in 3 months after he has taken the money and disappeared. But you do you.
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There are probably more than 10 hollow wall anchor. Probably only few can easily be found on Malaysia. They are designed mostly more on specific load bearing. This is not only the winged type and in ideal situation the wing is flat to the inner wall for maximum grab but in general it is still designed for certain wall thickness. None is too specific thickness. Some type are just splitting the side just to provide grab. Don't even opened flat. It is still proper installation for their designed load. Like you said, you cannot screw it indefinitely since it is even plastic.

For this winged type you can find for other wall thickness also but it is hard to find. It will be applicable to a range of thickness, not being too specific.
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QUOTE(Zot @ Apr 5 2021, 10:15 AM)
There are probably more than 10 hollow wall anchor. Probably only few can easily be found on Malaysia. They are designed mostly more on specific load bearing. This is not only the winged type and in ideal situation the wing is flat to the inner wall for maximum grab but in general it is still designed for certain wall thickness. None is too specific thickness. Some type are just splitting the side just to provide grab. Don't even opened flat. It is still proper installation for their designed load. Like you said, you cannot screw it indefinitely since it is even plastic.

For this winged type you can find for other wall thickness also but it is hard to find. It will be applicable to a range of thickness, not being too specific.
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OK Tq sifu..Will go to hardware shop and check it 1st...I never see this wall anchor b4 honestly smile.gif But if I cant find then might go to ACE to try my luck... Saw Shoppee got selling it but quite expensive as have to bear the Rm5 shipping :/
Just to confirm is this the correct type? - https://shopee.com.my/MAJU-HD2-Nylon-Butter...7111.6041975860
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QUOTE(Zot @ Apr 5 2021, 10:15 AM)
There are probably more than 10 hollow wall anchor. Probably only few can easily be found on Malaysia.
And the easily found ones are toggle bolts. That's what I would use instead of the butterfly plug.
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None is too specific thickness.
Sure, if that is what you believe with your work attitude and aptitude.
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Some type are just splitting the side just to provide grab. Don't even opened flat. It is still proper installation for their designed load.
We are not talking about these, are we?
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For this winged type you can find for other wall thickness also but it is hard to find. It will be applicable to a range of thickness, not being too specific.

Hard to find doesn't mean cannot find. Applicable range thickness is for plasterboard, not 4 mm plywood. Put some effort into doing things right. Or not, doesn't matter to me.

Like I said before
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QUOTE(shyan90's @ Apr 5 2021, 10:45 AM)
OK Tq sifu..Will go to hardware shop and check it 1st...I never see this wall anchor b4 honestly smile.gif But if I cant find then might go to ACE to try my luck... Saw Shoppee got selling it but quite expensive as have to bear the Rm5 shipping :/
Just to confirm is this the correct type? - https://shopee.com.my/MAJU-HD2-Nylon-Butter...7111.6041975860
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Yes. I was looking for one but not suitable for my task I think due to depth. Check if suitable in your project.

Now I'm looking for that metal one. I cannot recall where I bought before. I thought in Mr. DIY buy now cannot find anymore. doh.gif
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QUOTE(Zot @ Apr 5 2021, 10:51 AM)
Yes. I was looking for one but not suitable for my task I think due to depth. Check if suitable in your project.

Now I'm looking for that metal one. I cannot recall where I bought before. I thought in Mr. DIY buy now cannot find anymore.  doh.gif
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I think this type more suitable for thin plywood?
https://shopee.com.my/Spring-Toggle-Wall-Pl...1664.3519674740

Metal spring that will open
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QUOTE(yushin @ Apr 5 2021, 10:57 AM)
I think this type more suitable for thin plywood?
https://shopee.com.my/Spring-Toggle-Wall-Pl...1664.3519674740

Metal spring that will open
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No doubt about that since it can cover any thickness. For plaster ceiling, most of the time the plaster itself get ripped , not the anchor laugh.gif

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