I would understand the advantage of brushless motor in heavily used appliances. But for occasionally used tools especially for DIYers, is the brushless option worth the money?

In my opinion, not worth to pay for the price now unless you just want to be able to tell you have brushless power tool and don't know where else to spend your money

It depends on usage pattern. For commercial use or home use actually some EC brushless like the GBH180LI cordless i remember getting it (EC brushless solo) for approx 350 to 360 bucks as sifu ijan recommended so it didn't really cost more than the outgoing brushed model i would say?

In your case since the differential in price 200 bucks..not worth lor.

Thanks for you opinion. I am in the same boat as you, in my opinion, looking at the maintenance reason, I couldn't justify me spending extra RM200 especially when the manufacturer even designed the tools easier for owner to access the brush and replace the brush on our own.

Just looking at other opinion from people experiencing using both brushed and brushless tools in real life. Probably they can give input from different angle than people promoting brushless motor in the internet.

My option would be GSB 180-li vs GSB 18v-50.

Maybe you can take a look at the spec sheets and advise me the advantage of the later over the former from your experience handling tools.

The thing about me, I tend to buy overspec stuff, and sometimes I don't really use the specs that I paid extra for. Probably I should start buying according to my own usage pattern rather than buying overspec stuff thinking that I would use them one day:sweat:

Between the two
I believe the higher priced tool has a metal chuck, TBH for fixing screws like wall plug size, drilling tile bits, mixing paint, the GSB180 is already more than enough..I usually run at 1-5 lowest setting to avoid overtorquing the screws too deep in the material (kitcab), driving into 1.75/2" wall plug maybe around setting no.5 (highest is 20) on low speed gear. The price diff is almost enough to buy another GSB180 solo unit

If you run this in screwdriver mode most of the time it is plentiful enough. Important to get impact rated screwdriver bit like the milwaukee shockwave 10 bucks per pc, less prone to snapping the screwdriver head off. Comes in shorty 65mm or 110mm length. For fixing shelves 110 easier. For tight spot 65mm minus off the 1in in chuck it makes for a shorter tool but its not very flexible for non head on (as in not aligned 90deg perfect angle) application.

The only time where the plastic chuck (still can buy replacement chuck head) may fail earlier when it is abused as a wannabe grinder (sideways movement polishing of the wall for socket backbox); or if you have hard concrete wall (brickwall is easier to go thru) and abuse this for weeks as an impact drill whereby a rotary hammer will do the job easier.

This post has been edited by ceo684: Mar 30 2021, 12:54 PM

Normally the the with metal chuck has higher torque. If the price is not much different, then I'd go for higher torque.

I also tend to buy higher spec tool if I think the price difference is worth the the additional feature or spec which I may not need to use now. I bought lower power drill thinking I may not need higher power, but in the end I end up buying another one with higher power with hammer function. Then I bought a rotary hammer with ability to chisel as well. Then I bought cordless

I still found each one of them has own use for different situation and requirement.

In thins case I'd say I'd go for the GSB 18V-50 even if Rm100 extra.

I have no idea the price difference here but most of the time the price difference due to what the package provided like casing additional accessories. Need to ask the seller. The picture is just trick in business

Sikit sikit jadi bukit they said
All the ones below in my collection come with the briefcase looking case, except circular saw and grinder papeŕ box only.
There are some variants coming with fisherman box.

Power Tools
Bosch GBH 2-24 DRE rotary hammer 490
Bosch GBH180Li cordless rotary hammer(solo tool,4AH procore,fast charger) 777
Bosch GKS7000 circular saw 335
Bosch GSB180-Li 229
Bosch GWS060 angle grinder (with grinding discs) 115
Bosch grinding discs 10
SDS Drill bits for rotary hammer 28
SDS 22mm bit 44.8

Depends also if there's a bigger toy for more heavy duty work as well. In its class as a 18V drill driver I would say it works very well (GSB180). Most contractor video also get by with the GSB120 (those china amoi electrician) https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=211347934082616

@blanket84 , torque is 28/50 Nm in the 18V 50 vs 21/54 in brushed GSB180.
Not much diff in actual usage, but you will get metal chuck (which I believe can be replaced) and brushless motor only.
Torque almost similar but the low torque is higher by 30pc in low gear.
If usage more as screwdriver I think GSB180 is plentiful already, use the money for bigger battery if needed.
Coz based on experience driving 2" screw I didn't need to max out the torque even on low gear

This post has been edited by ceo684: Mar 30 2021, 01:14 PM

Thanks for you input. The chuck part is something that I have no idea in what circumstances it would fail. I guess you're giving a perfect example that it could fail one day if I abuse the tools. Something that I should consider, metal chuck.

I think the price difference probably not as much as I mentioned earlier. Probably was looking at different packages from different shop. I just found a shop that sells solo unit for both model, and the price difference is RM149. I guess I have to read more before I make my final decision. Have been thinking about buying a drill for almost 2 months already and end up buying Bosch Go 2 as for temporary usage.

Talking about my recent purchase Bosch Go 2 screw driver, Bosch sent me 20 x 25pcs screw bits as free gifts. I was having the shock of my life to see so much free gifts. I end up PMing them telling about their mistake and they sent someone to collect the extras. Could have bought a unit of GSB18v-50 + all accessories if I sell all the extras

Brush - RM12
Plastic Chuck - RM42

=RM54

Need to find extra RM95 reason to buy GSB 18v-50.

So far the type of work I will be using would be drilling and furniture assembly (which I already bought a Bosch Go 2), and probably carpet cleaning and car upholstery cleaning. What else can I use with the drill?

And talking about battery, how much do I need?

This post has been edited by blanket84: Mar 30 2021, 01:33 PM

Actually my cheapest option is to pick up the phone and ring up my brother in law. He got all the Bosch, DeWalt, Milwaukee and pakai buang china brand drill in the world in his store.

But then I have been depending on him for 10 years already, and since I finally own a house, I think I should buy my own power tools as well.

It also depends on your strategic planning. If power hungry stuff e.g. lawn mower/cordless grinder/cordless rotary hammer are not in the collection master plan anytime soon, then any 1.5AH also will work fine.
Just for reference - Cordless rotary hammer need min 3AH. Drilling about 20 holes 2" 5.5mm in RC wall already took up 1 bar from 5 bar of the 4AH procore.

If you don't have concrete wall to worry about - Drill driver should be perfectly fine with the 1.5AH or 2AH (lighter battery).
3 and 4AH weight similar but weight is more than the 1.5-2AH sizes.

Per https://www.cnet.com/home/kitchen-and-house...cordless-drill/
It appears that for 1.0AH alone you should be able to do these for sure. The 0.5AH not included as "reserve capacity"

Number of 3-inch screws screws driven into hardwood ("balau" or similar) per amp hour for 18-volt brushed drills. ~ 125x

High torque Number of 1-inch wood spade bit holes bored per amp hour for 18-volt brushed drills. ~ 20x

For my GSB180Li on a 4AH procore (my only battery ) it hardly deplete the battery at all in screwdriving use. Drilling 20-30 wall plug 6mm holes in brickwall should be easily doable on a 1.5/2.0AH.

Would be fun to see a pic of his tools collection if its convenient lah, no worries. Just my curiosity.

This post has been edited by ceo684: Mar 30 2021, 02:11 PM

I guess that pretty much answered my question. I don't need so much battery. Probably drilling 15-20 holes in one weekend only.

Haha. I don't want to upset my sister by asking my BIL to take out his collection even though she knew that he got plenty. Everytime he came to my house for drilling something, he brought a new set of power tool. And you must be wondering why I didn't ask him all this about power tools. I just don't want him to kill the conversation by saying, no need to buy lah, just take his, all problem settle

haiz.. i use the wrong dill size drill(40cm Cloth/Towel Hanger) on my door and now have a bigger hole.... i now using duck tape to wrap my wall plug and stuck it into the hole... so far able to hag around 2kg and seems solid... any idea to fill up that big hole🥲🥲🥲

Actually one of the shortcut method is you can slice up other wall plug to stuff inside, or matches (cut away the head).
Alternatively you can also buy bigger wall plug, they come in diff diameter, smallest one is no.8 5.5mm hole, medium no.10 6mm hole, no.12 will fit 6.5/7mm hole. This is referring to wooden type wall plug, the plastic one loosen easily.

This post has been edited by ceo684: Mar 31 2021, 12:59 AM

Wooden door? Why not just wedge with wood slice and use wood glue that you can buy from MrDIY

You cal also but wood peg. Glue into hole and redo.

Din think of it...If the hole getting loosen can try your way :/
Haiz... too greedy drill using 6mm end up too big....and I keep use plastic wall plug make it even bigger :/

Ok..But the problem the door is hollow...dont have things to support...only the thin wooden can support sikit...now so far 2kg no issue....still solid...just takut if someone accidently tarik the bar will rip the whole hanger straight off from the door

This post has been edited by shyan90's: Mar 31 2021, 11:57 AM

Actually hollow door not suitable for the screw in type.. if you use hanging on the top of the door type 10kg also no prob.