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jaycee1
post Oct 28 2024, 09:29 AM

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The thing about bikes are, you will eventually fall off it. Don't let that be a discouragement but instead view it as a learning experience. Personally I have fallen off my bike so many times that I had lost count...a few times quite spectacularly ....but it makes you a better rider.

Whiskey throttle (getting a handful of unintended throttle) is common newbie mistake.

Actually falling off the bike is a skill that needs to be learnt so you can unceremoniously do your unintended dismount without getting yourself injured. Don't try to hold on to a bike that you have lost control off.

I just think you just need a better instructor.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Oct 28 2024, 09:32 AM
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post Oct 28 2024, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Oct 28 2024, 08:54 AM)
I used to drag oil change intervals, like 10k km or 6 months, I'd pick the later whichever belum reach
now is confirm 6 months

in my case, I could see the oil even low mileage but overdue, it's toast
sorry to hear this, lick your wounds and take some time to rebuild the mind - we can never be too ready to ride a motorcycle

hand wrist coordination is not a given talent, so I suppose you wanted to grab the brakes but accidentally twisted the throttle in doing so -  I was surprised to see seasoned riders unable to perform basic acrobats with their right hand in controlling their bike (maintaining partial throttle while braking) - eventually, you can choose to learn what are "maintenance throttle" and "trail braking"

I think you need riding friends, and I quite believe you have none around you, where you can discuss, watch and learn from them

etc etc... your first bike ought to be simple, basic throttle and brake controls, no clutch - friction zone (for the clutch) is another difficult matter

get yourself checked, re-orient yourself, and hope you resume soon
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QUOTE(Kaboku @ Oct 28 2024, 09:09 AM)
Glad that you are okay and no other major injuries. Usually the driving school will take new students who are new or unstable on the bike to practice on a big empty ground. That's what they did for me the first time I rode a clutch bike. Accidentally did a wheelie and crashed the bike on the figure of 8 course.

Get yourself oriented, rest and heal up and can try again in the future if you want to. What Alexei mentioned is the best course of action: Try to find some friends who ride and slowly learn from there. Kapchai and scooter is the best bike to learn from as they don't have clutch to worry about
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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Oct 28 2024, 09:29 AM)
The thing about bikes are, you will eventually fall off it. Don't let that be a discouragement but instead view it as a learning experience. Personally I have fallen off my bike so many times that I had lost count...a few times quite spectacularly ....but it makes you a better rider.

Whiskey throttle (getting a handful of unintended throttle) is common newbie mistake.

Actually falling off the bike is a skill that needs to be learnt so you can unceremoniously do your unintended dismount without getting yourself injured. Don't try to hold on to a bike that you have lost control off.

I just think you just need a better instructor.
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Thanks! I will definitely have a think about it. What traumatized me is the impact on the head, at that moment i was thinking, if i didn't have the helmet on, it would be a pool of blood that I would be lying on. Haha. I fell a lot from bicycle when i was young, mostly just scratches and all, not like this. damn when you were young, you really didn't know better. I felt like I am like 10 years too late, should have learned a long time ago.
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post Oct 28 2024, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(miyakochan89 @ Oct 28 2024, 09:37 AM)
Thanks! I will definitely have a think about it. What traumatized me is the impact on the head, at that moment i was thinking, if i didn't have the helmet on, it would be a pool of blood that I would be lying on. Haha. I fell a lot from bicycle when i was young, mostly just scratches and all, not like this. damn when you were young, you really didn't know better. I felt like I am like 10 years too late, should have learned a long time ago.
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That's what safety gear is intended to do. Just make sure you are well protected when riding.

While you may not be able to prevent or avoid instances of an accident, at least do what you can to minimise possible injury. I ride in full gear 99% of the time.

Rest up and try again. It gets easier over time. If you need pointers, dont hesitate to PM me if you are in klang valley area.
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post Oct 28 2024, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(miyakochan89 @ Oct 28 2024, 09:37 AM)
Thanks! I will definitely have a think about it. What traumatized me is the impact on the head, at that moment i was thinking, if i didn't have the helmet on, it would be a pool of blood that I would be lying on. Haha. I fell a lot from bicycle when i was young, mostly just scratches and all, not like this. damn when you were young, you really didn't know better. I felt like I am like 10 years too late, should have learned a long time ago.
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its never too late
i teach my gf to ride and take her b full license
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post Oct 28 2024, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Oct 28 2024, 08:54 AM)
hand wrist coordination is not a given talent, so I suppose you wanted to grab the brakes but accidentally twisted the throttle in doing so -  I was surprised to see seasoned riders unable to perform basic acrobats with their right hand in controlling their bike (maintaining partial throttle while braking) - eventually, you can choose to learn what are "maintenance throttle" and "trail braking"

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This is my pet peeve. Most riders don't properly set their levers correctly. Most of the time the clutch and brake lever is too high. And especially for the brake lever, if it's set too high, you end up also twisting the throttle when you reach for your brake.

I'm surprised a lot of riders, even seasoned ones don't know this.

But yes, fine motor skills for throttle and levers take time to develop..and often one has to go off-road riding to really learn it well.

As for trail braking, I think I will add some clarification for those not in the know. It's not off road "trail" but slowly maintaining and releasing or "trialling" off the brake deep into the apex to maintain brake pressure and front wheel weight distribution for more grip in the corners. You may be surprised just how much grip that front wheel has in a corner once you mastered trail braking.

This post has been edited by jaycee1: Oct 28 2024, 09:59 AM
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post Oct 28 2024, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(miyakochan89 @ Oct 28 2024, 09:37 AM)
Thanks! I will definitely have a think about it. What traumatized me is the impact on the head, at that moment i was thinking, if i didn't have the helmet on, it would be a pool of blood that I would be lying on. Haha. I fell a lot from bicycle when i was young, mostly just scratches and all, not like this. damn when you were young, you really didn't know better. I felt like I am like 10 years too late, should have learned a long time ago.
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Wish you speedy recovery and rest well. Hopefully continue on your riding. Good thing is making mistake early is that its a permanent memory that will guide you for safer ride in future.

Anyway, even in driving academy I went, newbie rider sign up for bfull, will need to learn ride bfull bike instead of kapchai/b2 bike. IIRC, you wrote in this forum you need to attend L 'ceramah', seems like you have not experience much on clutch vehicle. When the courage come, you can use clutch only to get the bike going, before going into throttle play.

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post Oct 28 2024, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(miyakochan89 @ Oct 28 2024, 09:37 AM)
Thanks! I will definitely have a think about it. What traumatized me is the impact on the head, at that moment i was thinking, if i didn't have the helmet on, it would be a pool of blood that I would be lying on. Haha. I fell a lot from bicycle when i was young, mostly just scratches and all, not like this. damn when you were young, you really didn't know better. I felt like I am like 10 years too late, should have learned a long time ago.
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oh, the "thud" sound that comes from the back of the head... it makes you keep imagine it right?

oh, just in case anyone says "I don't need safety gears" I just tell them to put their palms on the road, supporting their own body weight, and drag it across the asphalt - or at least tell them to imagine it

QUOTE(nelienuxe_sara @ Oct 28 2024, 09:53 AM)
its never too late
i teach my gf to ride and take her b full license
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miyakochan89 you need a friend like this

QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Oct 28 2024, 09:54 AM)
This is my pet peeve. Most riders don't properly set their levers correctly. Most of the time the clutch and brake lever is too high. And especially for the brake lever, if it's set too high, you end up also twisting the throttle when you reach for your brake.

I'm surprised a lot of riders, even seasoned ones don't know this.

But yes, fine motor skills for throttle and levers take time to develop..and often one has to go off-road riding to really learn it well.

As for trail braking, I think I will add some clarification for those not in the know. It's not off road "trail" but slowly maintaining and releasing or "trialling" off the brake deep into the apex to maintain brake pressure and front wheel weight distribution for more grip in the corners. You may be surprised just how much grip that front wheel has in a corner once you mastered trail braking.
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I spent too much time reading up on chain maintenance and engine oil tests, not focusing on improving riding aware-ability before I needed it

a nice shiny bike will not help panic braking, and over-leaning on the road will just send the bike under the guard rails... I ride better now, I hope

I didn't believe in trail-brake, until I ride fast enough to use/need it hahaha, so, I think it's not for the masses - different bike has different 'fast'
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post Oct 28 2024, 10:17 AM

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actually the learning curve should be like this
u must able to ride bicycle
then
u learn with a scooter or kapchai
then u learn the clutch bike
after u master clutch bike u learn big bike
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post Oct 28 2024, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(nelienuxe_sara @ Oct 28 2024, 10:17 AM)
actually the learning curve should be like this
u must able to ride bicycle
then
u learn with a scooter or kapchai
then u learn the clutch bike
after u master clutch bike u learn big bike
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I know how to ride bicycle well.
HAHA! Maybe i will about taking normal licenses so that I can practice with Kapchai and scooter then only i consider further lah.
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post Oct 28 2024, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Oct 28 2024, 10:12 AM)
oh, the "thud" sound that comes from the back of the head... it makes you keep imagine it right?

oh, just in case anyone says "I don't need safety gears" I just tell them to put their palms on the road, supporting their own body weight, and drag it across the asphalt - or at least tell them to imagine it
miyakochan89 you need a friend like this
I spent too much time reading up on chain maintenance and engine oil tests, not focusing on improving riding aware-ability before I needed it

a nice shiny bike will not help panic braking, and over-leaning on the road will just send the bike under the guard rails... I ride better now, I hope

I didn't believe in trail-brake, until I ride fast enough to use/need it hahaha, so, I think it's not for the masses - different bike has different 'fast'
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Yeah, after feeling the impact first hand. I really started to have doubt.

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post Oct 28 2024, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(nelienuxe_sara @ Oct 28 2024, 10:17 AM)
actually the learning curve should be like this
u must able to ride bicycle
then
u learn with a scooter or kapchai
then u learn the clutch bike
after u master clutch bike u learn big bike
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As long as you can drive a manual car, you can figure out the clutch mechanics pretty quickly.

The key is start small and light. Not everyone can just jump on a 200kg bike and ride off....goes to kapchai riders also. A heavy bike handles very different

Ironically, when I jump on a kapchai, it scares the shit out of me. So bloody light.

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QUOTE(miyakochan89 @ Oct 28 2024, 10:23 AM)
I know how to ride bicycle well.
HAHA! Maybe i will about taking normal licenses so that I can practice with Kapchai and scooter then only i consider further lah.
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maybe u can try with a scooter and kapchai 1st to learn and familiarize throttle/brake then u learn with a clutch bike
jatuh is normal
till date i jatuh juga with helmet of course
never ever use fake helmet
must buy original let it be a cheap brand like SOL or ZEUS at least it not a fake
i lost my office mate because he bought a cheap ass cap ayam copy arai he fell down and head crack dead on the spot
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post Oct 28 2024, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(miyakochan89 @ Oct 28 2024, 10:23 AM)
I know how to ride bicycle well.
HAHA! Maybe i will about taking normal licenses so that I can practice with Kapchai and scooter then only i consider further lah.
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No point wasting your time to.take the small B2 licence.

You can ride with an L plate for 2 years. Just get something small to practice on and hold back on the actual test until you are ready.
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post Oct 28 2024, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Oct 28 2024, 10:34 AM)
No point wasting your time to.take the small B2 licence.

You can ride with an L plate for 2 years. Just get something small to practice on and hold back on the actual test until you are ready.
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HUH you can practice without L license? That's illegal right? My place is actually not very convenient to practice, unless i drive to the empty car pack during the weekends, in which case i need to drive the bike out. LOL
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post Oct 28 2024, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(miyakochan89 @ Oct 28 2024, 11:06 AM)
HUH you can practice without L license? That's illegal right? My place is actually not very convenient to practice, unless i drive to the empty car pack during the weekends, in which case i need to drive the bike out. LOL
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If you taken the ceramah, you can apply for an L. In fact the riding school would have done it for you also. If not they won't allow U on the bike course.

Don't have an L just means you cant ride on public roads. But probably no one will make a fuss if you practice in a parking lot.

I did just that. Ride around my condo parking lot practicing slow speed drills until I got my L a week later.

If you cant ride the bike out, then ask a friend's to ride the bike out for you. But getting the L is not difficult. If you already registered with the school, you can ask them.

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post Oct 28 2024, 11:16 AM

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L = lesson permit u attend the kelas for few hours sudah boleh dapat
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post Oct 28 2024, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Oct 28 2024, 11:13 AM)
If you taken the ceramah, you can apply for an L. In fact the riding school would have done it for you also. If not they won't allow U on the bike course.

Don't have an L just means you cant ride on public roads. But probably no one will make a fuss if you practice in a parking lot.

I did just that. Ride around my condo parking lot practicing slow speed drills until I got my L a week later.

If you cant ride the bike out, then ask a friend's to ride the bike out for you. But getting the L is not difficult. If you already registered with the school, you can ask them.
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Dei, L is cannot fetch pillion, who say cannot ride on roads? Even those biker uncles with their 100k sports bike/HD does that shit until Loke and Zahid give that little sweetener

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QUOTE(elimi8z @ Oct 28 2024, 05:19 PM)
Dei, L is cannot fetch pillion, who say cannot ride on roads? Even those biker uncles with their 100k sports bike/HD does that shit until Loke and Zahid give that little sweetener
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Lol. Read carefully. I said no L cannot ride on road.

Hahahahaha. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Oct 28 2024, 06:31 PM)
Lol. Read carefully. I said no L cannot ride on road.

Hahahahaha. tongue.gif
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I thought she gotten her L?
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QUOTE(miyakochan89 @ Oct 27 2024, 05:36 PM)
So I tried the riding school and I flew off my bike, landed on my back and hit my head on the back directly. Luckily I had helmet on, scratched on my back and I think my inner knees had some impact from the bike. I wanted to break but pressed on the throttle instead of the bike flew off and hit the pavement. I was very scared since the beginning because I wasn’t confident, since I couldn’t actually touch the ground so it really killed my confidence. Also, I was too focused on the clutch and whatever. When I’m riding a bicycle and if I can’t touch the ground, I get scared too. And this bike was a Yamaha MT15.

Thankfully I don’t have anymore injuries? Except my throat keeps hurting and I think the helmet strap might have hurt something inside, it’s like a sore throat. Hahaha.

Nonetheless, I think my journey ends here. I got traumatised from the head impact honestly. So people, please please please wear your bike helmet even if it’s a short journey. Only went to clinic and let’s see how it goes the next few days.
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ah falling off is quite normal in the beginning...

i wont lie, i fell off at least 1-3x every class i attended. u eventually get used to the bike and it all just stops hahah. if not confident, while not practical there is no harm going for the b2 licence.

also, i got myself a bike the day before i went for my first class/collected my license. i had 0 experience riding any bikes, no helmet no nothing... horrible idea but just wanted to get the clutch sorted before my first class. tbh its exactly the same as a manual car so that bit was quite natural. the thing that always gets me is the weight of the thing.




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