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post Apr 12 2017, 06:27 PM, updated 9y ago

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3 out of 4 Malaysians can’t raise RM1,000 in an emergency


ON the surface, all seemed good. He operated a bakery on the outskirts of Kuala Lumpur, drove a second-hand BMW an‎d did not want for much. On the surface, all seemed good.

Last week, the brittle facade cracked when a sharp drop in sales for consecutive months laid bare this fact: Simon had no savings to help him tide over the downturn in his three-year-old business.

He had to seek an urgent RM2,000 loan from a friend to keep the business afloat. He had not planned for a rainy day. He had no buffer to cushion the sudden drop in sales.

Sadly, the father of a young girl is not alone. A recently revealed Bank Negara survey on financial literacy showed that three out of four Malaysians find it difficult to raise even RM1,000 for an emergency.

The 2015 BNM survey also showed that a majority of Malaysians tend to spend on instant gratification instead of planning long term. Only one in four has any form of investment.

The findings dovetail with an earlier survey by The Malaysian Insight, which found that low-ranking civil servants were unable to save any money each month after spending on their families.

The civil servants said they were unable to save because their incomes have not been able to keep pace with the rising cost of living.

What little savings they had were depleted by a minor emergency, such as when they needed to repair a vehicle or replace an electrical appliance.

But economists and activists interviewed by The Malaysian Insight said the low rate of savings has more to do with the rise in household expenditure rather than low levels of financial literacy.

Economist Ali Salman said: “Savings are a function of income and expenditure. If expenditure rises but incomes do not rise proportionately, then there will be little savings.”

The government’s own data shows that the average income per person has fallen by 15% from US$10,345 in 2013 to US$8,821 in 2016, said Ali of the Institute for Democracy and Economic Affairs (IDEAS).

Consumer affairs advocate Paul Selva Raj supported this observation, saying that poor financial planning was only half of the cause of the low savings rate.

“The other big factor is the rise in the price of goods. This includes food, household products and services,” said Selavaraj, secretary-general of the Federation of Malaysian Consumers Association.

The survey was revealed by Bank Negara deputy governor Abdul Rasheed Ghaffour during his speech at the launch of a teaching module called the “Financial management for retirement” on April 7.

Other salient points of the survey included the fact that a majority of Malaysians do not have adequate knowledge of financial matters to make informed decisions.

“Most Malaysians also indicated that they will face financial pressure should there be a loss of income,” Rasheed said.

“For individuals and households, financial literacy has become a key life skill. Those who go through life by making sound financial decisions will potentially be more resilient and end up with a much higher standard of living throughout their lifetime, including during retirement.”

Fomca’s own study found that 47% of respondents said they lived beyond their means.

Retiring poor

The ability of Malaysians to retire with enough savings was also an issue, as BNM found that only 40% of Malaysians were financially ready for retirement, said Rasheed.

“Generally, the younger population aged between 20 and 35 years old perceive long-term financial planning as applying to a time horizon of only the next 10 to 20 years.

“A recent focus group discussion with retirees shows that they would still rely on their children or purchase using credit in the event of emergency or for higher value items.”

The Malaysian Insight’s survey among public servants earning below RM3,000 per month supports this fact.

“Most Malaysian consumers don’t have money for emergencies, what more retirement,” said Selvaraj.

Zainal, a local council gardener The Malaysian Insight interviewed, said he was “leaving it up to fate and his children” when asked about his savings for retirement.

One government pensioner, Karim, said he could not even depend on his own adult children for money as they themselves had trouble keeping afloat in the Klang Valley.

Zainal and Karim gave only their first names as they are civil servants and are not allowed to speak to the press.

“My children give me money when I need it. But the next month, they themselves come back and borrow from me. So, in the end, it’s the same, I am not getting any extra money.”

Ali said having more affordable insurance schemes can go a long way to helping consumers tackle a sudden spike in expenses caused by emergencies. – April 12, 2017.
https://www.themalaysianinsight.com/s/1557/
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post Apr 12 2017, 06:31 PM

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seriously? 1K only... hmmm

but then.. now all want iphone, eat @ expensive places, hokkaido cheese tart and all that bull.. oh well..
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post Apr 12 2017, 06:33 PM

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... I mean... shit.. that's depressing.
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post Apr 12 2017, 06:34 PM

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br1m kan ada...

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QUOTE(saintnotsinner @ Apr 12 2017, 06:31 PM)
seriously? 1K only... hmmm

but then.. now all want iphone, eat @ expensive places, hokkaido cheese tart and all that bull.. oh well..
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I really doubt those most of those queuing up for Hokkaido cheese tart are part of the 3 out of 4.

BNM statistic is after Malaysians as a whole, not those who work and live in richer parts of Klang Valley. You don't see stuff like this much in Shah Alam where many lower tier civil servants are based in.
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3 out of 4? how true is that
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post Apr 12 2017, 06:37 PM

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1000 seriously?

i believe 80% of those in klang valley can easily raise 10k in case of emergency?


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post Apr 12 2017, 06:38 PM

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Sadly it is true. I am one of the 3.
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post Apr 12 2017, 06:39 PM

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bank negara survey tak boleh percaya punya la.

lots of nonsense, pure bullshit.

dulu bawah zeti, semua cantik

sekarang under orang baru, baru masuk saja dah cakap tentang fintech, pui
tak tau manage sampai usdmyr 4.45
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QUOTE(KuzumiTaiga @ Apr 12 2017, 07:35 PM)
I really doubt those most of those queuing up for Hokkaido cheese tart are part of the 3 out of 4.

BNM statistic is after Malaysians as a whole, not those who work and live in richer parts of Klang Valley. You don't see stuff like this much in Shah Alam where many lower tier civil servants are based in.
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you mean, sect 15 and above / the factory area?
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QUOTE(saintnotsinner @ Apr 12 2017, 06:31 PM)
seriously? 1K only... hmmm

but then.. now all want iphone, eat @ expensive places, hokkaido cheese tart and all that bull.. oh well..
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You mean 3 out of 4 are using iphone eating cheese tart?

Bro are you working now? Why your world so .....small?
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post Apr 12 2017, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(NicJolin @ Apr 12 2017, 06:37 PM)
1000 seriously?

i believe 80% of those in klang valley can easily raise 10k in case of emergency?
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80% including pprt and kepsi worker?


Come on la.
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QUOTE(NicJolin @ Apr 12 2017, 06:37 PM)
1000 seriously?

i believe 80% of those in klang valley can easily raise 10k in case of emergency?
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I think most people have like 10k cash at their house as backup/emergency.
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QUOTE(KuzumiTaiga @ Apr 12 2017, 06:35 PM)
I really doubt those most of those queuing up for Hokkaido cheese tart are part of the 3 out of 4.

BNM statistic is after Malaysians as a whole, not those who work and live in richer parts of Klang Valley. You don't see stuff like this much in Shah Alam where many lower tier civil servants are based in.
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On the contrary, I believe that many of those queueing for hokkaido cheese tart are part of the 3 out of 4. Why? Because most of them are hipsters and trend followers who are known to live in heavy debts just to support their "cool" lifestyle.

Ironically, from my observation, people in the richer parts of klang Valley are usually the ones with none or minimal savings as opposed to people outside of klang Valley. They usually get to save more since they ain't got much entertainment to spend their money on.
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post Apr 12 2017, 06:44 PM

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Don't they have savings somewhere?
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QUOTE(saintnotsinner @ Apr 12 2017, 06:41 PM)
you mean, sect 15 and above / the factory area?
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8... 9... 13... 24...
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QUOTE(KuzumiTaiga @ Apr 12 2017, 06:45 PM)
8... 9... 13... 24...
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Plenty of million dollar houses in Sec 9 and 13 though.
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QUOTE(maxomeara @ Apr 12 2017, 06:46 PM)
Plenty of million dollar houses in Sec 9 and 13 though.
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the ones living in kuarters kerajaan...
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Okay, I've always known that Malaysians are mostly financially messed up, but certainly not until RM1000 also tarak kind of messed up.

Learn to save FFS, this isn't a game.

SAVE. NOW.
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QUOTE(KuzumiTaiga @ Apr 12 2017, 07:45 PM)
8... 9... 13... 24...
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sect 8 and 24 i can believe la. but sect 9? that's like a super rich people area. even sect 13 also rich people area (with the exception of terrace house near stadium / apartment near AEON).
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QUOTE(john123x @ Apr 12 2017, 06:39 PM)
bank negara survey tak boleh percaya punya la.

lots of nonsense, pure bullshit.

dulu bawah zeti, semua cantik

sekarang under orang baru, baru masuk saja dah cakap tentang fintech, pui
tak tau manage sampai usdmyr 4.45
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Fintech is legit lah brader. Singapore already plan driverless buses by 2020. Malaysia bila lagi?

http://blockchainapac.fintecnet.com/Smart-...-Use-Cases.html
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those who are in a disbelief with this stat is living inside their own bubble.

For them it is hard to comprehend the fact that how come poor people still exist meh??
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Apr 12 2017, 06:44 PM)
On the contrary, I believe that many of those queueing for hokkaido cheese tart are part of the 3 out of 4. Why? Because most of them are hipsters and trend followers who are known to live in heavy debts just to support their "cool" lifestyle.

Ironically, from my observation, people in the richer parts of klang Valley are usually the ones with none or minimal savings as opposed to people outside of klang Valley. They usually get to save more since they ain't got much entertainment to spend their money on.
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Lol.

I am guessing you are now either student or working with less than 3 years experience.

Am i right?


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QUOTE(ketupatlazat @ Apr 12 2017, 06:53 PM)
those who are in a disbelief with this stat is living inside their own bubble.

For them it is hard to comprehend the fact that how come poor people still exist meh??
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When they go to kepsi or hokkaido cheese tart or starbucks.

They forgot there are people working for kepsi starbucks and Hokkaido cheese
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I raise 10k now also can
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QUOTE(hirano @ Apr 12 2017, 06:59 PM)
I raise 10k now also can
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bullshit, show me image.
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QUOTE(narf03 @ Apr 12 2017, 07:01 PM)
bullshit, show me image.
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Dear /k.

When raining starts at 6am but 7am you see people driving motorbike with rain coat.


Those might be the 3 out of 4.


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QUOTE(IdiuU @ Apr 12 2017, 06:27 PM)
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ON the surface, all seemed good. He operated a bakery on the outskirts of Kuala Lumpur, drove a second-hand BMW an‎d did not want for much. On the surface, all seemed good.
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Pandan muka bawak BMW. Kalau takde duit, bawak jer lah Potong atau Perodua
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this is bad ! I mean come on la, 1k bangla oso have


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3/4 cannot fork out 1k? wow
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QUOTE(ketupatlazat @ Apr 12 2017, 06:53 PM)
those who are in a disbelief with this stat is living inside their own bubble.

For them it is hard to comprehend the fact that how come poor people still exist meh??
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Some of them arent poor financially, just poor way of expenses management. Earn 3k spend all 3k, earn 10k spend all 10k. Earn 20k also wont be enough with this habit
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correct or not. thats more than 50%. dont say average income person cannot raise 1k
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Let me put this here.


1 out of 4 malaysians are getting br1m. 1 out of 4.

And those are the approved. The applied is about 1 out of 3.

Do you understand the meaning of br1m ?
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QUOTE(Vape On @ Apr 12 2017, 06:43 PM)
80% including pprt and kepsi worker?
Come on la.
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well i duno, but 10k isn't really a lot these days and can't do much if there's really an emergency sweat.gif

not even 1k is like ... sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif


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This is shocking...
And yet u c many honda toyota mazdas on the road...
Biar papa asal bergaya?
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post Apr 12 2017, 07:13 PM

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Urban poor. I believe kampung people get to save more than urban people.

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brim kan ada?
brim can survive for a year ok?
so y work when you have yearly brim by bee-end
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its not about poor or income, its about savings

you can have 25k but coming out with 1k can be hard due to commitments, big house 10k, nice car 5k, kids, wife doesnt work, etc etc.

its not an alarming or new thing, and frankly the 2nd hand BMW in the article already points out to who these people are.

So yes they can be buying hokkaido, peranai or anything cause it was never about how much they earn, but how much they spend

and people who tend to spend on overpriced shit, tends to fall into this group
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I seriously cant, lol.
time to go spend more on video games wooo
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Apr 12 2017, 07:13 PM)
Urban poor. I believe kampung people get to save more than urban people.

Kesian us
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Then why kampung people need to come to city to work?
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why cannot raise? sell one iphone and switch to cheap 500 android, terus get over 1k ma.
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post Apr 12 2017, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(Vape On @ Apr 12 2017, 07:05 PM)
Let me put this here.
1 out of 4 malaysians are getting br1m. 1 out of 4.

And those are the approved. The applied is about 1 out of 3.

Do you understand the meaning of br1m ?
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I think it's higher than 1 out of 4. I read somewhere (today's Malaysian Reserve, I believe) that 6.3 million households are receiving BR1M, which means around 20 million people.

That's scary ...
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QUOTE(Vape On @ Apr 12 2017, 06:53 PM)
Lol.

I am guessing you are now either student or working with less than 3 years experience.

Am i right?
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Nope, I wish I was that young. Oldfag d lerr me.

You would observe that people in richer parts of klang valley have more savings if you mainly compare between Chinese ppl but do bear in mind majority are the Malays.

Looking at Malays in KV (macai and crony not included), memang damn a lot are heavily in debt and have minimal savings. They constantly upgrade their lifestyle whenever they earn more resulting in them not being able to save. Everytime got promotion etc, will upgrade car, house etc. So end of the day no savings. More Malays in kampung tend to just maintain their lifestyles and live in old houses while saving the extra money earned.
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QUOTE(hirano @ Apr 12 2017, 07:03 PM)
Some of them arent poor financially, just poor way of expenses management. Earn 3k spend all 3k, earn 10k spend all 10k. Earn 20k also wont be enough with this habit
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sounds correct ma, last time when starting work first few years, earn 3-4k terus use all la.
when start to earn more than that, only start put some percentage aside. since got used to spending 3-4k a month , any extra can put aside lo. biggrin.gif
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Traffic still jam.
KFC still penuh.
Iphone still sold out.
Property launch still pack.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Apr 12 2017, 07:19 PM)
sounds correct ma, last time when starting work first few years, earn 3-4k terus use all la.
when start to earn more than that, only start put some percentage aside. since got used to spending 3-4k a month , any extra can put aside lo. biggrin.gif
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Thats you la. I earn 2k as freshie already start saving and rent room outside. My childhood taught me to save and be independent
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QUOTE(scorptim @ Apr 12 2017, 07:19 PM)
Nope, I wish I was that young. Oldfag d lerr me.

You would observe that people in richer parts of klang valley have more savings if you mainly compare between Chinese ppl but do bear in mind majority are the Malays.

Looking at Malays in KV (macai and crony not included), memang damn a lot are heavily in debt and have minimal savings. They constantly upgrade their lifestyle whenever they earn more resulting in them not being able to save. Everytime got promotion etc, will upgrade car, house etc. So end of the day no savings. More Malays in kampung tend to just maintain their lifestyles and live in old houses while saving the extra money earned.
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Actually since the bnm survey is not region specific.

It means the whole country.

3 out of 4 cannot raise rm1000.


That make sense because 1 out of 4 are taking br1m.

Inflation and rising food cost are killing the minimum wage workers.

Those pakai civic guna tayar second hand is less of my concern because they chose this lifestyle.

I am more concern about the poor and needy.


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drives a used BMW = well, theres your answer...asal glamour
i have no problem raising RM1k but the problem is...would i borrow u
what can u give me if i borrow u think few k? brows.gif
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My neighbor. New car. But owe me a few hundred MYR for many months. Every now and then, tried to borrow money.

Cars, phones are all much more expensive than mine. But not sure if keeping even one percent of the money I have.....
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QUOTE(ListenToTheAngin @ Apr 12 2017, 07:21 PM)
Tipu.

Traffic still jam.
KFC still penuh.
Iphone still sold out.
Property launch still pack.
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Adik.

3 out of 4 is in the article.


The other 1 out of 4 ? brows.gif
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QUOTE(hirano @ Apr 12 2017, 07:22 PM)
Thats you la. I earn 2k as freshie already start saving and rent room outside. My childhood taught me to save and be independent
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my current salary RM1.5k
but i have massive reserve....in case my saving tabung broke, i got lots of things to sell to get money brows.gif
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Raise 500 also hard
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QUOTE(hirano @ Apr 12 2017, 07:22 PM)
Thats you la. I earn 2k as freshie already start saving and rent room outside. My childhood taught me to save and be independent
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QUOTE(Vape On @ Apr 12 2017, 07:24 PM)
Actually since the bnm survey is not region specific.

It means the whole country.

3 out of 4 cannot raise rm1000.
That make sense because 1 out of 4 are taking br1m.

Inflation and rising food cost are killing the minimum wage workers.

Those pakai civic guna tayar second hand is less of my concern because they chose this lifestyle.

I am more concern about the poor and needy.
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Agreed with your points, but I just think that since 1 out of 4 ppl qualify for BR1M means that the other 2 from the 3 out of 4 who can't raise rm1000 are earning at least rm3k salary. For someone earning 3k a month and can't come up with 1k for emergency, it means either you have too many mouths to feed or your lifestyle choices is what caused it.

The reality is, there are quite a lot of pakai civic guna tayar second hand kinda ppl.
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QUOTE(Vape On @ Apr 12 2017, 07:16 PM)
Then why kampung people need to come to city to work?
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Those kampung people that come to work to city should be already considered urban people la. Come to city thought can improve life, mana tau cost of living very high.

Those educated kamoung people suffers the same things here which i believe not beacuse of donno how to make money but poor financial management. Why come to the city? Because better opportunities la. Takkan have degree, master phd but work at kampung.

Kampung people do kampung work, got tanah, got own house, even though no big but to me they are "rich" coz having those. Some even have car even though cabuk bu no loan. I know because my late grandparents were felda settlers.

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Fintech is legit lah brader. Singapore already plan driverless buses by 2020. Malaysia bila lagi?

http://blockchainapac.fintecnet.com/Smart-...-Use-Cases.html
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USD MYR 4.45
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fintech tipu orang punya la.



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But but new ipong/samseng come in, suddenly can rise 3.2k
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rakyat /k tak faham maksud nisbah.

3 out of 4 ... dont la literally think 3 out of 4 only ...

3 million out of 4 million cannot come up with 1k.

thats 1 million that can. those you see with iphone, makan sushi is this 1 million.


/k oh /k
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Banyak hidup bawah tempurung dlm /k ni rupanya
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These idiots are the ones that burn money buy Starbucks iPhone, pc games, clubbing,gf, handbags

Burn more on car loan

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QUOTE(ListenToTheAngin @ Apr 12 2017, 07:21 PM)
Tipu.

Traffic still jam.
KFC still penuh.
Iphone still sold out.
Property launch still pack.

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That's why no money laaa

Burn all there money on that
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That's why no money laaa

Burn all there money on that
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Lulz.


Mahai if you are older than 25 years old then i stop posting in this topic.


Lulz.
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2 out of 4 people in my household can't raise rm1k even during hari raya.

the ratio seems legit.
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QUOTE(WooTz @ Apr 12 2017, 06:47 PM)
Okay, I've always known that Malaysians are mostly financially messed up, but certainly not until RM1000 also tarak kind of messed up.

Learn to save FFS, this isn't a game.

SAVE. NOW.
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QUOTE(Troller @ Apr 12 2017, 07:51 PM)
rakyat /k tak faham maksud nisbah.

3 out of 4 ... dont la literally think 3 out of 4 only ...

3 million out of 4 million cannot come up with 1k.

thats 1 million that can. those you see with iphone, makan sushi is this 1 million.
/k oh /k
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I an easily come out 100x that figure yet I have no iPhone, don't makan sushi....... Is this country really f#ck up that bad? I think the statistic a bit exaggerated. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(saintnotsinner @ Apr 12 2017, 06:31 PM)
seriously? 1K only... hmmm

but then.. now all want iphone, eat @ expensive places, hokkaido cheese tart and all that bull.. oh well..
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Unker can raise rm100k.
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QUOTE(hwt @ Apr 12 2017, 07:25 PM)
My neighbor.  New car.  But owe me a few hundred MYR for many months.  Every now and then, tried to borrow money.

Cars, phones are all much more expensive than mine.  But not sure if keeping even one percent of the money I have.....
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QUOTE(KuzumiTaiga @ Apr 12 2017, 06:35 PM)
I really doubt those most of those queuing up for Hokkaido cheese tart are part of the 3 out of 4.

BNM statistic is after Malaysians as a whole, not those who work and live in richer parts of Klang Valley. You don't see stuff like this much in Shah Alam where many lower tier civil servants are based in.
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I kinda disagree because i have seen a lot like this in real life. A few of my ex colleagues(male and female) who dress nicely, go travel to europe at least twice a year only have like less than 500 in their bank acc left monthly. Sometime still have to borrow other ppl's money to survive the rest of the month before salary is out. They also have plenty of personal loan to settle.

Their lifestyle and spending ie: buy branded stuff (lv & prada), queuing up for cheese tart etc etc.. giveppl the impression that they are so well of, beyond their actual capabilities.

While for me, i had to think twice before commiting any loan. And always aim to keep my monthly loan commitment within 10-15 % of my salary. And saving 50% of my salary. But honestly Instead of saving, better find way to earn more..

Actually for emergency, 1k mana cukup..
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QUOTE(saintnotsinner @ Apr 12 2017, 06:31 PM)
seriously? 1K only... hmmm

but then.. now all want iphone, eat @ expensive places, hokkaido cheese tart and all that bull.. oh well..
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This is why /k financial guru advice use public transport, get used kancil or saga only.

You all baru gaji rm3k edi want buy godcar, civic tebu, vw golf. When asked to get above, tarik muka, think we jealous la, stingy scrooge la.

You all made up the 75%, while /k financial guru all rm20k, 25% of population.
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Emergency? 3 out of 4 can borrow from bangla.
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Nonsense stats, 1 out of 4 maybe la
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Economist Ali Salman said: “Savings are a function of income and expenditure. If expenditure rises but incomes do not rise proportionately, then there will be little savings.”


Is this guy really an economist? To come up with such a stupid statement?

There are different types of expenditures, ranging from essential to discretional. If your income does not rise proportionately, you adjust your expenditures accordingly.

To say something like "income rise proportionately" is just sheer stupidity. Because it does not happen in real life.

If we have stupid economists with stupid statements, the country is doomed. Hopefully, there are not many idiots like Ali around.

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QUOTE(howszat @ Apr 12 2017, 08:24 PM)
Is this guy really an economist? To come up with such a stupid statement?

There are different types of expenditures, ranging from essential to discretional. If your income does not rise proportionately, you adjust your expenditures accordingly.

To say something like "income rise proportionately" is just sheer stupidity. Because it does not happen in real life.

If we have stupid economists with stupid statements, the country is doomed. Hopefully, there are not many idiots like Ali around.
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Well, economists also study people behaviour. Sure, the right thing to do is to adjust your spending based on your income but that's not necessarily what most people do.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Apr 12 2017, 08:07 PM)
I an easily come out 100x that figure yet I have no iPhone, don't makan sushi....... Is this country really f#ck up that bad? I think the statistic a bit exaggerated. hmm.gif
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Imagine house loan monthly (RM1700), Unifi (RM180), TNB (RM120), Water (f.o.c), Petrol (RM400), Toll (RM200), Food (RM500.00), car loan (RM600). Total: RM3700.00. Havent include personal insurance, car insurance, car maintenance, and much more. How many ppl in Malaysia actually able to earn so much to be able to cover all this expenses?
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QUOTE(Jv8888 @ Apr 12 2017, 08:50 PM)
Imagine house loan monthly (RM1700), Unifi (RM180), TNB (RM120), Water (f.o.c), Petrol (RM400), Toll (RM200), Food (RM500.00), car loan (RM600). Total: RM3700.00. Havent include personal insurance, car insurance, car maintenance, and much more. How many ppl in Malaysia actually able to earn so much to be able to cover all this expenses?
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Because most people push their budget to the limit. Unifi RM180 for instance is not a necessity, TNB RM120, use less aircond lah.
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“My children give me money when I need it. But the next month, they themselves come back and borrow from me. So, in the end, it’s the same, I am not getting any extra money"

mind-blowing scheme
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Because most people push their budget to the limit. Unifi RM180 for instance is not a necessity, TNB RM120, use less aircond lah.
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Yet even after deduct out the TNB and UNISHIT... still expenses more than 3.0k yo...
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QUOTE(Jv8888 @ Apr 12 2017, 09:06 PM)
Yet even after deduct out the TNB and UNISHIT... still expenses more than 3.0k yo...
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The installment for house is not expenses lah.
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Apr 12 2017, 07:13 PM)
Urban poor. I believe kampung people get to save more than urban people.

Kesian us
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QUOTE(TheMinimalist @ Apr 12 2017, 09:05 PM)
Good. I want to see them BURN!!! Thank god I have >100k CASH!! Too bad they are all in MYR sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif
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True, if it was SGD, you and I would be 3 times wealthier. This shows our hardwork alone is not enough, the government also plays a big part in determining the general fate of the citizens. Ah Beng in Singapore with our same job is making 3 times our income not because they worked 3 times harder than us, it's because they have a better gov. sad.gif sad.gif
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QUOTE(howszat @ Apr 12 2017, 08:24 PM)
Is this guy really an economist? To come up with such a stupid statement?

There are different types of expenditures, ranging from essential to discretional. If your income does not rise proportionately, you adjust your expenditures accordingly.

To say something like "income rise proportionately" is just sheer stupidity. Because it does not happen in real life.

If we have stupid economists with stupid statements, the country is doomed. Hopefully, there are not many idiots like Ali around.
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His statement​ is right because some schools of economists assume that the people want to maintain thier current lifestyle even as their disposable income decrease.
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Even when I have 20k in savings, raising another 1k suddenly is not easy
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QUOTE(green_algae @ Apr 12 2017, 09:24 PM)
His statement​ is right because some schools of economists assume that the people want to maintain thier current lifestyle even as their disposable income decrease.
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But that's just the reality. Do you downgrade your broadband when it's price is hike? Do you use less petrol when petrol price hike? Do you eat less hawker food when the hawker increase price? So aren't we all also maintaining our standard of lifestyle in the face of shrinking true income? hmm.gif
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The article is somewhat true. A lot of ordinary malaysians dont really have savings. They do have some, but sometimes those funds are being used to top up daily expenditure that in the end when real emergency comes along they find it hard to raise money.

As Malaysians love imported goods, a low exchange rate really kill the buying power. Hope that some economic solution could be developed to help solve this problem.

When i was younger, i imagined that a lot of malaysia's economic impairment was the result of our automotive policy, when cars are expensive, people would work harder and some resort to dirty and ill tactics to gain money to buy those cool imported vehicles. Expensive cars also contributes to expensive real estates and stuff. Well just my opinion.


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Kenot b lah! I don't believe this article...
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Must be crazy to do business and use BMW when don't even have 1k as emergency fund.
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I think most mistake that people do is use everything till the next pay day, if got balance then only put in saving. It should be receive the salary today, then put aside the money for saving already. Not after spend everything.
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Savings and budgeting should be a compulsory school subject.

Forget about sejarah, arts and other such nonsense.

If cannot afford to live today, who the xxxx cares about history.
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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Apr 12 2017, 09:34 PM)
I think most mistake that people do is use everything till  the next pay day, if got balance then only put in saving. It should be receive the salary today, then put aside the money for saving already. Not after spend everything.
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See it this way. Every month, their pay only use on family n food. Maybe once in a blue moon got extra, so only that time they can spend a little for themselves.


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QUOTE(Troller @ Apr 12 2017, 07:51 PM)
rakyat /k tak faham maksud nisbah.

3 out of 4 ... dont la literally think 3 out of 4 only ...

3 million out of 4 million cannot come up with 1k.

thats 1 million that can. those you see with iphone, makan sushi is this 1 million.
/k oh /k
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In percentage maybe illustrate better: 75% cannot come up with 1k. Only 25% can. 25% are the keeping the economy afloat. That's why I hate it when some of k/ just reply MD, KFC etc etc masih penuh. And so many Honda on the road. So those 25% are the one's visiting McD, KFC, Honda etc. Imagine if no one can afford McD, KFC, Honda that means Maresia lingkup already lah...

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QUOTE(Jv8888 @ Apr 12 2017, 08:50 PM)
Imagine house loan monthly (RM1700), Unifi (RM180), TNB (RM120), Water (f.o.c), Petrol (RM400), Toll (RM200), Food (RM500.00), car loan (RM600). Total: RM3700.00. Havent include personal insurance, car insurance, car maintenance, and much more. How many ppl in Malaysia actually able to earn so much to be able to cover all this expenses?
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House loan 1700 means ur house loan itself already 350k+, honestly if you don't earn min 5k,should not go for house in that price range. Flats can get within 100k, monthly installment 500 only. The key is to not push your budget to the limit.

From your petrol and tol, can say you're traveling quite far to work, should have gotten a place nearer but guess too late now.

QUOTE(iGamer @ Apr 12 2017, 08:57 PM)
Because most people push their budget to the limit. Unifi RM180 for instance is not a necessity, TNB RM120, use less aircond lah.
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Agreed on this.
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In percentage maybe illustrate better: 75% cannot come up with 1k. Only 25% can. 25% are the keeping the economy afloat. That's why I hate it when some of k/ just reply MD, KFC etc etc masih penuh. And so many Honda on the road. So those 25% are the one's visiting McD, KFC, Honda etc. Imagine if no one can afford McD, KFC, Honda that means Maresia lingkup already lah...

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you basically summed up every economy in the world.

no economy runs at the flat distribution, its always a gruop of people at the top earning more than almost everyone else

the problem is, most people think this group is a bunch of multimillionaires

but the reality is most of these people are already in /k/


the general professional salary earners of this society

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you basically summed up every economy in the world.

no economy runs at the flat distribution, its always a gruop of people at the top earning more than almost everyone else

the problem is, most people think this group is a bunch of multimillionaires

but the reality is most of these people are already in /k/
the general professional salary earners of this society
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But seriously the situation is pretty dire if 75% cannot afford to raise 1K in case of emergency. The situation in UK is no different:


Millions have less than £100 in savings, study finds

More than 16m people in the UK have savings of less than £100, a study by the Money Advice Service (MAS) has found.
In five areas of the country, more than half the adult population has savings below that level.
Those areas are Northern Ireland, the West Midlands, Yorkshire and Humber, North East England and Wales.
The MAS said the findings were worrying and presented a particular challenge for low earners.
"These figures show the millions put at risk by the saving gaps in the UK," said Nick Hill, money expert at the service.
"For some on low incomes, saving is a real challenge as they may simply lack the income needed to save at all."
The research was carried out for MAS by the consumer data company CACI which has a database of 48m UK adults.

More at:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37504449
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this is what they want us to do.

spend. don't save. you save - you lose (to inflation - according to them).
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this is what they want us to do.

spend. don't save. you save - you lose (to inflation - according to them).
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Not entirely wrong if you apply that on property. U don't buy now, the same amount of cash can't buy the same property in a few years time. The day of stagnant property price is over.
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QUOTE(dupe A/C @ Apr 12 2017, 09:58 PM)
But seriously the situation is pretty dire if 75% cannot afford to raise 1K in case of emergency. The situation in UK is no different:
Millions have less than £100 in savings, study finds

More than 16m people in the UK have savings of less than £100, a study by the Money Advice Service (MAS) has found.
In five areas of the country, more than half the adult population has savings below that level.
Those areas are Northern Ireland, the West Midlands, Yorkshire and Humber, North East England and Wales.
The MAS said the findings were worrying and presented a particular challenge for low earners.
"These figures show the millions put at risk by the saving gaps in the UK," said Nick Hill, money expert at the service.
"For some on low incomes, saving is a real challenge as they may simply lack the income needed to save at all."
The research was carried out for MAS by the consumer data company CACI which has a database of 48m UK adults.

More at:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37504449
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its not dire, its just that people have higher expectancy of income than reality; the reality is the average of national income in the world is not that high, msia household average is about 5k ish depending where you go ; while developed nations 7-8k

since this is household and if you seperate it into 2, its about 2.5k (MY), 4k (SG) and 3.5k (aus)

without going into purchasing power, we kinda realise most people earn less than what we believe they do and since its an average, basically it also means a huge group of people aern less than that.

this makes it much obvious really, at 2.5k , 1 k is 50% of nett income after tax, most people i know cant save 50% and to make matters interesting, you have life "milestones" to keep up to, a reasonably priced car has a DP of 5-10k, a wedding can take 25k and a house 50k a month, all just downpayments

so basically if anyone is to earn average wage, the accumulation of all 3 would hit him 80k, theres not much room for savings really.


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QUOTE(iGamer @ Apr 12 2017, 09:28 PM)
But that's just the reality. Do you downgrade your broadband when it's price is hike? Do you use less petrol when petrol price hike? Do you eat less hawker food when the hawker increase price? So aren't we all also maintaining our standard of lifestyle in the face of shrinking true income? hmm.gif
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Different strokes for different folks. Some may downgrade their internet, eat cheaper foods, ride a motorbike if they think it is necessary. But one thing is for sure, as your expenses increase disproportionately to your income, either your savings or quality of life will decrease.

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not believe.
most bolehland ppl are mid income anf rich.
only kelantan are poor.
/k logic.
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3 out of 4 in Malaysia? wow...... sounds abit exaggerated
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80% including pprt and kepsi worker?
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Pprt and kepsi worker is 20% of klang valley. Everyone knows 80% of klang valley is richfags.
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Should have been 3 out of 4 Malaysian are sohai
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QUOTE(dupe A/C @ Apr 12 2017, 09:43 PM)
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In percentage maybe illustrate better: 75% cannot come up with 1k. Only 25% can. 25% are the keeping the economy afloat. That's why I hate it when some of k/ just reply MD, KFC etc etc masih penuh. And so many Honda on the road. So those 25% are the one's visiting McD, KFC, Honda etc. Imagine if no one can afford McD, KFC, Honda that means Maresia lingkup already lah...

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to be accurate, all 100% of malaysians are spending - its just that the 25% saves.

in fact the 75% may be spending more per capita than the other 25%.
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QUOTE(empyreal @ Apr 12 2017, 11:06 PM)
to be accurate, all 100% of malaysians are spending -  its just that the 25% saves.

in fact the 75% may be spending more per capita than the other 25%.
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Salahan 25% keddkut!!!!


Sikedekut taik hidung masin!!


Kedekut!!!
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QUOTE(Vape On @ Apr 12 2017, 11:11 PM)
Salahan 25% keddkut!!!!
Sikedekut taik hidung masin!!
Kedekut!!!
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well, the savings from the 25% allow businesses to get financing so you need both yin and yang.

however, if everyone here is stingy and businesses use that pool of savings to create exports to other countries...
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QUOTE(empyreal @ Apr 12 2017, 11:15 PM)
well, the savings from the 25% allow businesses to get financing so you need both yin and yang.

however, if everyone here is stingy and businesses use that pool of savings to create exports to other countries...
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Proton disagree when local people stop buying their car
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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Apr 12 2017, 11:18 PM)
cannot be
everytime i surf /k/ and FB
many traveling, lifestyle, and gadget pics
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that is the right way to use fb.


Who wants to see sorrow and sadness in fb


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hokkaido cheese tart is cheaper than pablo mini, no?
already bought few times the 6pc pack, got cheaper than buying one by one


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QUOTE(Vape On @ Apr 12 2017, 07:05 PM)
Let me put this here.
1 out of 4 malaysians are getting br1m. 1 out of 4.

And those are the approved. The applied is about 1 out of 3.

Do you understand the meaning of br1m ?
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you should know that there are some ultra kiasu auntie unkers in small village who owned acres of estates and properties, and thier application for BRIM usually went success, same goes to their children who applied PTPTN just because of the 1% low interest, the PTPTN loan has long been abused by rich parents to earn the free interest by spending the spare cash in investments or FD

of course this population is little compared to the rest, but rest assured, there are significant families from kampung are really cash rich, due to inheritance from generations ago, or family business, or underground business, these fortunes are not known by government
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cannot be
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actually it is the 20% that makes 80% of the noise. so the survey statistics is about right.
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Who's "all"
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not all.. "some ppl" lol
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its not dire, its just that people have higher expectancy of income than reality; the reality is the average of national income in the world is not that high, msia household average is about 5k ish depending where you go ; while developed nations 7-8k

since this is household and if you seperate it into 2, its about 2.5k (MY), 4k (SG) and 3.5k (aus)

without going into purchasing power, we kinda realise most people earn less than what we believe they do and since its an average, basically it also means a huge group of people aern less than that.

this makes it much obvious really, at 2.5k , 1 k is 50% of nett income after tax, most people i know cant save 50%  and to make matters interesting, you have life "milestones" to keep up to, a reasonably priced car has a DP of 5-10k, a wedding can take 25k and  a house 50k a month, all just downpayments

so basically if anyone is to earn average wage, the accumulation of all 3 would hit him 80k, theres not much room for savings really.
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Saving $1K for 7 yrs gone just like that.

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QUOTE(saintnotsinner @ Apr 13 2017, 10:10 AM)
not all.. "some ppl" lol
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Then they are clearly talking about other than "some ppl" who don't don't drinks starbucks, don't use iphone and don't buy branded stuff
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bank negara penipu scammer.. I can raise 1k anytime with credit card hehe...
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QUOTE(gogocan @ Apr 13 2017, 11:08 AM)
Saving $1K for 7 yrs gone just like that.
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yup,

the real issue is actually not starbucks or expensive shit, but the life milestones. but since people wont forsake these milestones, starbucks becomes the last things you can sacrifice to have savings.


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