*sighz...
dis flame war between lock n priest will nvr end...

tell u wat...
y dun u guys set up a duel between lock n priest somewhere if u guys r in same server... n post a video of either priest > lock or lock > priest...
whichever...

den perhaps maybe ur theories are correct...
at least better den come up vit all sorts of theories which anyone can counter dis counter dat...

zzzz...
at least it's best for all of us 2 play all classes n try it out urselves...

look up stormscale video thread, not sure if theres a good number of priest videos there especially showcasing warlock 1v1 duels.

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fix minor typo

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Mar 25 2007, 01:15 AM

lazy... pvp for fun only...
dun care win or lose...

there's another name for it : theorycraft. pvp-style

it's not so much about which classes are overpowered or what, victories are dependent on so much variables, including, but not limited to

a) who has first strike
b)equipment
c) skill & strategy
d) who manages mana better
e) potions or no potions
f) level
g) experience
h) environment

so saying one class is overpowered or not is quite a moot point to me, especially at this stage when WoW has already matured to patch 2.0.10

you are correct sir!
especially the first strike part, very applicable to rogues hehe.

well for wow's part, it could still use a lot of balancing and all, especially when people are starting to get their top tiered end game gears. its always then balance will be thrown off, with classes getting their higher dmg output or capabilities from special set bonuses etc.

hmm... sorry i didn't reply to the previous post, took a hiatus from wow for awhile.


i never believed in theories, what i'm stating is from past pvp experiences. things like spell locking during the cast of a holy spell, shadow ward to prevent dmg from dots etc has been done one time too many that it's now a reflex rather than a "what's the next move" thing. anyway prince down. time to get my lazy ass to get the heroics of shattered halls and sethekk halls down. feels like a big part of a weight on my shoulders has been lifted off.




well in world pvp i've only seen 1 lock carry a felhunter around, when he's not pvping... and that's not me either. and yes i've seen how you said u solo kill a warlock before, i'm not gona deny the fact that it is really effective against destro locks, and givien your situation and time and place, well maybe you have outlasted him. when i say that priests can never beat a warlock maybe i was over exxagerating then. i should've mentioned that holy priests have a VERY hard time beating a warlock.


Q : warlocks have a very hard time reaching 30% crit "TALENTED". With the best gears maybe. This is the number one reason why the UA vs Ruin debate is hot on warlock forums. I myself am trying to reach 20% minimum untalented (15% now, wont be too far) and that includes me grabbing every single first piece of epic that i need in karazhan and gruul's lair.
As for trying to kill a fel puppy, ur better off not dotting or holy firing it. Things like that are very easily said and the dmg easily counted for to total up a sufficient amount for the fel pup's hp. But never forget that a felpup has spell eat, heals for 1k dmg easily and 2k on crits. You may be lucky when the warlock has everything on autocast, but good warlocks do not play it that way. And you mention resilience and holy nova hitting for 3k dmg? wow... very impressed, but you also need to know that for the priest to be able to boost that amount of crit, spell dmg (not healing mind you), resillience (as you mentioned), he has to sacrifice in many other departments. Let's take a warlock for example, a warlock specced in 70 blues can easily crit shadowbolt for 4-5k ruin, depending on his luck. But a resilience specced lock... i'd say 3k is about what you're gona be jumping with joy. I'm not stating that resilience is bad, as a matter of fact I think it's way good. But unless you're gona get gladiator gears its still hard to play around with resilience as the basic resilience gears play too much of a tax on stats/spelldmg/crit/hit etc.




undeniable... classes in wow are situational, weak to one class and strong to another these days. But if there is any class that is boosted with this patch i'd say its the warriors. They are as strong as the days 3 months after release wielding arcanite reapers. deathwish/MS/tier 2 crafted weaps = ouch

This post has been edited by sets84: Mar 26 2007, 10:59 AM

41(42) - 20(19) disciplin priest do stand a chance on wining.
holy then gg.. : \


wondering how can u guys typed soooooooooooooooooooooo long x many posted just argue all over priest.

It's called pride dearie. Even I have a lot.

oh my oh my.. okay, u guys continue.. im happy with my "leet" priest .. lazy to read all these, sometimes see eidi also dono wat the thread toking, so long summore :x

this is nothing compared to how the other day i sat down with a friend of mine and convinced his rogue to spec to combat daggers for pve purposes. i talk about ethics, sacrifice, effort, working together, statistics, maximizing potential and practicallity all in 4 hours. in the end i had him try it out and his overall dps increased by 40%

i spent my 4 hrs sleeping time to golf with my client to let him sign up the e-campus project.

i spent my 4 hrs in reading harry potter !

whatever happened to feminine viles for the first one.

2nd one : watch the video or listen to the audio book.

quoted my own quote since you apparently missed out what ive said.

the above mentioned including talents. eg: ruin, imp searing pain and so on. and im talking bout people rollin in their full gladiator set and pvp honor items. if you havent noticed, the crit you can get in pvp is for the most part, even more than what you can get in PVE. how so? crits plays a very important role in pvp, blizzard acknowledges that, and gives pvp stats only attainable in pvp. but of course, to keep things from going retarded, thats where resilience comes in, and at the same time, heavy stam from pvp gears.

as you also mentioned, yes, there will be things you lose in pvp items. while crit is more or less comparisonable, its things like mana pool, mana regen, mp5 etc that you have to lose, for casters for example. in pvp gears, they are almost non-existant. for melees, its usually the heavy AP, +hit rating, +weapon skill rating etc.

for the felhunter, true, it has devour magic, but take note of this: smite - no dot/hnova - no dot

doing enough of those, then a good fear to coup with slow holyfire cast, and lets remember, hfire = no GCD so after hfire, finish it with SWD so it will be dead, and you dont get to devour magic. it is my mistake however, to have swp listed in, it shouldnt've been SW:D instead.

and as i said, it is VERY possible to get good spell dmg AND having heavy post 200 resilience and heavy stam should you go for the full gladiator set + arena rewards, and honor rewards. and as i said, the ONLY thing he sacrifices that are most notable, is his pve capabilities such as spirit, mp5, mana pool and not so noticebly (theres healing sets/items for the arena/pvp rewards) +healing.

and repeating myself again, you DONT have to purposely go "resilience specced" warlock, grab yourself some pvp rewards, if possible, the arena ones ala gladiator set. you wont see a lot of loss in terms of dps, but you will sure as hell notice the insane increment in resilience and hp.

but then again with:
you've already knew, so why ask? and i even had to explain the same thing over multiple of times for something that you already knew. here i am wondering if im the dumb one for explaining, or you for not realizing it.

for the most part i would agree, but the bottom half i dont, warriors didnt get much buffs at all. if anything, their itemization is the same pre bc/2.0 . the most noticeble class that got buffed post bc/2.0 is prolly the rogue class, considering they were close to being useless prior to that. unless of course, you meant specifically the patch 2.0.10, then id say no one get anything cept priests got a minor nerf that got an unnessesary community uproar. (rage is still normalized, its only increased a bit so playing prot warriors arent as torturing as before, to those that dont like prot but had to go prot anyways)

gladys: PURGEEE THE PAIN SUPRESSSSIONNNNNNNNN (thats what going on vent when the shields are up )
blizz needs to buff this shit really bad lmao.

sets84's 2nd post: if ur friend is so reluctant to go combat daggers, have him go combat mutilate. on par if not even able surpass combat daggers. (i spec combat mut for pve but recently sub mut for heroics/minor arenas)

its not as torturing as watching ur 60 energy backstabs SLOWLY gaining 1 cp, and ur frontload main damager -> mutilate even being combat, will still be hitting a lot harder (assuming you dual crit, rare i know, but its very possible being raid buffed) than backstab with SA, AND providing you with THREE CP, not one, THREE. ultimately though, ur still maintaining slice and dice, because 40-50% of ur total dmg comes from whites being combat mut, but the biggest difference here, is that you get to maintain another buff which is expose weakness, you get to eviscerate a lot more, and biggest difference, CP management and randomness variable. due to the nature of sealfate/mutilate, you actually have to act according on how many CP you get, and not static 1 cp 1 cp and stick to ye ole 3-5-5 cycles (assuming ur not lucky on combat potency)

sets84's 3rd post: as explained above.

kyogezsho: look in the armory thread, and post urs too, im interested in ur 1.5k +healing priest
and ur the type of priests able to heal me for 5digit, which i <3 seeing them on my SCT cuz the green numbers are soooo pretty and flashy

oh yea, IMP DS FTFW.



this however, is very wrong.

ive read across a post from ming flexing his stam/resilience. was an arena fight, 2 hemo rogues got onto him, both got opener, stunlock to no end, until eventually due to kidney cooling... diminishing yada yada... ming is free, and how much health hes down to? 5k... out of 11-12k ish... what happen next? the 2 rogues got their ass handed to them.

now lets put it into a normal rogue without stam/resilience replacing ming, i think needless to say, he is f***ing dead. no chance to retaliate, nothing, dead.

some notes: ming's resilience basically robbed the rogues off their lethality, and malice, in which 80-99% of the rogue community deems these talents a must have, and one of their main source of damage. converted to a warlock, it basically robs the warlock off their improved searing pain, backlash, devastation, and mildly affecting ruin, though not completely. that translate to a very very weakened warlock and to destro, those talents are basically what destro locks stands for.

www.worldofming.com (pvp enthusiast)

disclaimer: the above is just an example, it could be more or less the way it goes for the debated priest/warlock 1v1 fight.

siangau: my comp is definately better than your comp... oh wait.


lastly, happy reading.


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FINALLY GOT TO POST... GOD... even lowyat.net decided to go down on me while WoW is on rolling restart :/

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Mar 27 2007, 11:05 PM

LOL ! Funniest thing I heard today.

no i have not missed out what you have said. with my current gear my crit is standing at nice 15% untalented (hope to be able to boost it up this week). I've specced for pve and every single piece of my gear are socketed with crit/spell dmg gems. 8% is all u can get from talent, which brings you up to 23%. So for amassing that amount of crit, where does your stam go? Where does your "resilience" goes?

LoL ... Why not u guys post Your Gears and stats ... to prove your theory how to kill a warlock ?

Priest can kill a warlock anytime if the warlock is noob

same goes the otherway round

but if u talking about equal situation both also pro.... how good ur a priest in the end priest are mend for healing and warlocks are suppose do dmg.

Outhealing a warlock is not that possible cause he has fear and also silence
if ur flash heal can hit 2.5k per heal still u will end up losing a couple hundreds due to dots oh like u said u can dispel ? well let me ask you what you can do at one time ?
dispel then flash heal ? when u dispel then get fear + dots and then if got sucbus even easier can seduce you where u cant do anyting then get blast again ...


+stamina + resilence gear = gives longer survivablity in pvp not killing people in pvp



btw shopboy ur holy priest right wat kind of gears u going for if u wanan beat a warlock ?

dps gear ? resilence gear ? or +healing gear ?
if u take any u will forgone the other 2

and to be able to shield then use renews = must be +healing gears
otherwise ur renews tick for like 450 or less ..



btw i am a priest myself
thats why i find it funny when i read this topic ..

This topic has become similar to...

my mom is better than your mom

my dad's car is faster than your dad's car

my barbie doll is prettier than your barbie doll

This post has been edited by saingau: Mar 27 2007, 08:20 PM

There is only one way to see who walks the talk... test server duel!

Tell us when so the rest of us can bring the keropok and watch

when your at a certain level, test server blows lol. ur own gear > the test server gear