Lol. Every MT's dream, rape doomwalker and get his bow

holy priests can never beat a lock.. period

there is no such thing as an unkillable holy priest against a ua specced warlock

first rule of a warlock in pvp, never use shadowbolt unless it procs of nightfall or ur a seduce nuker

i walk with a felhunter for pvp ALWAYS!

usually the normal scenario is, Priest runs close for scream...
at that moment use ur pet silence, get your own fear out... place all dots (ua, corr, agony, siphon life), spell-eat, drain life etc...
ua and corr ticks of 450 isn't anything to laugh at...
if they dispel refresh the dots, and if they so happen to dispel ua.. just watch them die

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Added on March 20, 2007, 9:38 amurmm no... u haven't actually seen what a seduce nuker can actually do these days... 6k soul fire crits, 3k shadowfury, that's not even counting the immo inci conflags yet....

and eversince drakedog introduced the death coil/soulfire combo, lots of ppl has been goin destro/dm for the increase in dmg...

and destro locks eats shadow priests for breakfast easy mode

This post has been edited by sets84: Mar 20 2007, 09:38 AM

are u basing that on pure theory or what? have u forgotten destro warlocks have nether prot?

i seriously dont get what u actually say, destro locks = mage? how is that possible?
and yes i use a fel puppy for pvp if u have actually read my previous post

what's the definition of fair? gimp myself?

u mentioned nether prot at the bottom of your post and you sitll dont get why shadow priests are free hks for destro warlocks?

also there's this awesome thing called spell hit, spell penetration, trinket, seduce, curse of elements, etc...




i actually enjoy pve more, have u tried shade of aran with 1k ping? real kick ass!! silencing his arcane missles when u are suppose to silence his firebolts/icebolts...

This post has been edited by sets84: Mar 21 2007, 08:19 AM

i only mentioned spell hit and pene when u mentioned resistance... and resilience as it stands now is a joke unless ur equipped with arena gears. ur trade off is tons of spell dmg/ap/stats for the resilience bonus rating

of course your whole explanation hold perfectly true when its an arena match, but what im debating here with shopboy is that a holy priest will never beat a warlock 1v1 period. play style varies when its a random bg and a competitive arena, i truly understand that... with my gear and pve spec now i can go in to random bgs and 3 shot normal 70s with just shadow bolt spams, but in "practise" arena match... i get raped almost instantly, note how i mentioned practise to emphasize the intensity of the battles in there, it's no joke i understand it... but for a holy priest to beat a warlock? nope, never happened and never will


and one more thing about shadow priests and why ppl take them in raids... this is the mentality that not many ppl will adapt to and the idea that i would say rise from the raid genius "Kungen" of nihilum... the viability of shadow priests is not only in the dmg. it's also the mana/hp regen but most importantly it synergises with any other shadow specced warlock blasting shadow bolts... having 4 warlocks with high crit rate will almost assure u that the 20% shadow dmg buff will always be up, in addition to the 15% shadow weaving from shadow priests... if ur gona go ahead and say holy priests has high dps, that will only come from raiders who are doing 5 man... no way post karazhan will priest be allowed to dps in holy, cos u've got nobody to synergise with... and please dont mention retardin dps... i'm so sick of arguing about it with a guildie till the point he hasn't got a raid spot recently because of his stubbornness....

there are stats by top raiding guilds as proof of end game viability, and the reason why many priests are converting to shadow priests as of now. i'm not saying that holy priests are totally worthless but given a choice, i will only have 1 holy priest in a 25 man raid, 3 priests in total where the other 2 is shadow.

and i can tell you i have never seen a GOOD warlock be it destro or affliction lose to a holy priest. let's put aside ua locks, they eat holy priests for breakfasts... but for destro locks, nope... not under any circumstances should they lose to a holy priest, a disc priest "maybe" but not a holy priest... first rule of the lock book, take a felhunter against a priest. no matter what spec they are. how are u in any way gona beat a destro priest with 30% proc chance to immunity to shadow and shadow ward? a nicely geared 70 destro priest in blues can easily get 20% crit chance on their destruction spells, and i'd say that's a pretty good amount. so what spells are u left with? holy? ur open to being spell locked if u cast a holy spell too long and even a smite takes 2.5 secs to cast....

from my experience i have never gone oom while playing my lock (which is affliction) even when goin against 2 v 1 , where one of them is a holy priest.

hmm... sorry i didn't reply to the previous post, took a hiatus from wow for awhile.


i never believed in theories, what i'm stating is from past pvp experiences. things like spell locking during the cast of a holy spell, shadow ward to prevent dmg from dots etc has been done one time too many that it's now a reflex rather than a "what's the next move" thing. anyway prince down. time to get my lazy ass to get the heroics of shattered halls and sethekk halls down. feels like a big part of a weight on my shoulders has been lifted off.




well in world pvp i've only seen 1 lock carry a felhunter around, when he's not pvping... and that's not me either. and yes i've seen how you said u solo kill a warlock before, i'm not gona deny the fact that it is really effective against destro locks, and givien your situation and time and place, well maybe you have outlasted him. when i say that priests can never beat a warlock maybe i was over exxagerating then. i should've mentioned that holy priests have a VERY hard time beating a warlock.


Q : warlocks have a very hard time reaching 30% crit "TALENTED". With the best gears maybe. This is the number one reason why the UA vs Ruin debate is hot on warlock forums. I myself am trying to reach 20% minimum untalented (15% now, wont be too far) and that includes me grabbing every single first piece of epic that i need in karazhan and gruul's lair.
As for trying to kill a fel puppy, ur better off not dotting or holy firing it. Things like that are very easily said and the dmg easily counted for to total up a sufficient amount for the fel pup's hp. But never forget that a felpup has spell eat, heals for 1k dmg easily and 2k on crits. You may be lucky when the warlock has everything on autocast, but good warlocks do not play it that way. And you mention resilience and holy nova hitting for 3k dmg? wow... very impressed, but you also need to know that for the priest to be able to boost that amount of crit, spell dmg (not healing mind you), resillience (as you mentioned), he has to sacrifice in many other departments. Let's take a warlock for example, a warlock specced in 70 blues can easily crit shadowbolt for 4-5k ruin, depending on his luck. But a resilience specced lock... i'd say 3k is about what you're gona be jumping with joy. I'm not stating that resilience is bad, as a matter of fact I think it's way good. But unless you're gona get gladiator gears its still hard to play around with resilience as the basic resilience gears play too much of a tax on stats/spelldmg/crit/hit etc.




undeniable... classes in wow are situational, weak to one class and strong to another these days. But if there is any class that is boosted with this patch i'd say its the warriors. They are as strong as the days 3 months after release wielding arcanite reapers. deathwish/MS/tier 2 crafted weaps = ouch

This post has been edited by sets84: Mar 26 2007, 10:59 AM

this is nothing compared to how the other day i sat down with a friend of mine and convinced his rogue to spec to combat daggers for pve purposes. i talk about ethics, sacrifice, effort, working together, statistics, maximizing potential and practicallity all in 4 hours. in the end i had him try it out and his overall dps increased by 40%

no i have not missed out what you have said. with my current gear my crit is standing at nice 15% untalented (hope to be able to boost it up this week). I've specced for pve and every single piece of my gear are socketed with crit/spell dmg gems. 8% is all u can get from talent, which brings you up to 23%. So for amassing that amount of crit, where does your stam go? Where does your "resilience" goes?

i'm sorry, what does this means?

cred·i·ble /ˈkrɛdəbəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kred-uh-buhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
-adjective 1. capable of being believed; believable: a credible statement.
2. worthy of belief or confidence; trustworthy: a credible witness.


so that means by showing us your rogue, we are supposed to believe that whatever you say is credible and should be taken upon as true facts just cos urmm, u got nice loots?

EDIT : it's not that i don't understand, it's just that i'm actually trying to see if it's what you really meant.

This post has been edited by sets84: Mar 28 2007, 12:45 PM

wow
in that case then maybe i should go ask my guild rogue.

EDIT : removed his name, as I see no point in helping him flexing his electronic manhood

This post has been edited by sets84: Mar 28 2007, 02:24 PM

so since you don't have a priest and unless you can get a priest, you're going to use your rogue as your credibility cushion to prove that i'm wrong and you're right based on what was shown on your armory? or maybe your mutilate crit?