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post Apr 1 2017, 09:01 AM

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adoi lupa plak arini aprilfool LOL
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Indonesia takes delivery of AS565 MBe helicopters
Indonesia’s PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PTDI) has delivered two AS565 MBe anti-submarine helicopters to the Indonesian military.
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The two are part of an order for eleven helicopters and they still lack the mission systems to perform their duties.

http://alert5.com/2017/04/01/indonesia-tak...be-helicopters/
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The first two helicopters are green basic platforms where the mission suites will be fitted out by PT DI and delivered to the Indonesian Navy by middle 2017.

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Contracted for 11, the Indonesian Navy’s AS565 MBe Panthers helicopters are equipped by PTDI with the anti-submarine warfare (ASW) suite, which includes dipping sonar and torpedo. The first two green basic platforms arrived in Indonesia in mid March this year, for completion by PTDI and delivery to the Indonesian Navy by middle of the year.


http://www.asiapacificdefencereporter.com/...ead-of-schedule
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post Apr 1 2017, 10:28 AM

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Indonesia beefs up air and sea defences

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It launches two patrol boats while aiming to expand aerial reconnaissance and surveillance capabilities

Francis Chan Indonesia Bureau Chief In Jakarta

Indonesia's bid to secure its maritime territories continues with the launch of two new Navy patrol boats in Batam.

The christening of the PC-40M class vessels on Thursday took place a day after the Air Force announced plans to strengthen its aerial reconnaissance and surveillance capabilities by expanding its fleet of spy planes.

Air Force Lieutenant-Colonel Akal Juang told journalists in Makassar, South Sulawesi, on Wednesday that the aerial reinforcements will support naval operations against illegal fishing, smuggling and other border incursions.

According to a report in The Jakarta Post, the Strategic Reconnaissance Squadron has five military aircraft with high-resolution cameras and other equipment for air reconnaissance missions.

But the Air Force confirmed that more of such aircraft will be added to the squadron in time.

Navy Chief Admiral Ade Supandi on Thursday said the two new patrol boats - the KRI Torani 860 and KRI Lepu 861 - will be deployed with the Western Fleet, and patrol the Strait of Malacca, as ordered by President Joko Widodo.

The Strait of Malacca and the Singapore Strait are among the world's busiest sea routes.

With the two new vessels, the Navy now has 19 fast patrol boats, but plans to increase the number to 42 and deploy them from 14 naval bases across Indonesia.

This means naval patrols "will no longer be concentrated in one area as before", added Adm Ade, without specifying the area.


Read more: http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/i...nd-sea-defences
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post Apr 1 2017, 10:57 AM

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Published: Monday, 27 March 2017 21:47

LIMA 2017: Lacroix offering advanced spectral decoys for RMAF A400M airlifters

As the Royal Malaysian Air Force officially inducted its fourth and final A400M military airlifter at the 14th Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace exhibition (LIMA), the French company Lacroix was promoting innovative spectral decoy systems to bolster the aircraft's auto protection.

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LIMA Lacroix offering advanced spectral decoys for RMAF A400M airlifter 640 001Airbus A400M military airlifter
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Providing new spectral decoys systems for the RMAF A400M airlifters fleet would allows the country's air force to extend its range of missions, said a Lacroix representative.

Hitherto focused on domestic transport missions, the four A400Ms belonging to RMAF would be able to be deployed in several missions, such as tactical transport for peacekeeping missions.

Among others protection systems, Lacroix developed decoys launched through MBDA's SAPHIR-400 expendable dispensing system, specially designed to carry out auto protection for the A400M military transport aircraft.

In order to carry out its protective role for this platform, SAPHIR-400 features a very large decoy capacity and is fully integrated within the A400M Defensive Aids Sub System (DASS). The system comes with a comprehensive Pre-Flight Mission Support Equipment (PFMSE) allowing Library Generation and Verification.

Backed by recent contracts and research performed with the DGA (French defense procurement agency) and various industrial players in the sector, including Airbus Group, Lacroix offers to provide the RMAF with the latest generation of spectral decoys.


Read more: http://airrecognition.com/index.php/archiv...airlifters.html
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post Apr 1 2017, 11:01 AM

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Indonesian Navy will Build Scorpène-class Attack Submarines from France

By Arthur Dominic J. Villasanta , | March 31, 2017

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A Scorpene-class submarine of the Royal Malaysian Navy.

Indonesia is pushing ahead with its plan to build its own Scorpène-class diesel electric attack submarines in partnership with French defense firm, DCNS.

DCNS and state-owned shipyard PT PAL have extended a partnership agreement that expired in December 2016 for the local assembly of submarines. It said the memorandum of understanding (MoU) covers the extension of the existing agreement between PT PAL and DCNS on industrial cooperation "with a view to an Indonesian acquisition of submarines."

The Indonesian Navy, the largest in Southeast Asia in numbers of ships and men, wants a fleet of 10 to 12 submarines. That planned increase is part of Indonesia's Minimum Essential Force program that also details the defense needs of the Indonesian Navy.

As part of this program, Indonesia in 2012 placed a $1 billion order for three South Korean attack submarines. The first will be built in South Korea with Indonesian engineers taking an active part in the process.

Segments of the second submarine will be built in Indonesia while the third built by PT PAL in the Indonesian port city of Surabaya. These three submarines have been designated the Nagapasa-class by the Indonesian Navy. The Republic of Korean Navy version is designated Improved Chang Bogo-class.

The navy also operates two other submarines belonging to the Cakra-class, a derivative of the Type 209 subs developed by Germany.

The MoU was among those signed during a visit to Jakarta by French President François Hollande. DCNS Chairman Hervé Guillou and PT Pal director Firmansyah Arifin signed the MoU.

The MoU also covered Indonesia's interest in acquiring surface warships for the Indonesian Navy under the Indonesian-French defense dialogue, DCNS said.

DCNS noted Indonesia wants to reinforce its naval capacity and is discussing with France to explore projects of submarine and surface ships to be built in Indonesia with a high level of local industrial content, through Indonesian-French long-term cooperation.

Over the past few years, the partners have been studying an industrial plan based on locally producing a multipurpose, latest-generation version of the Scorpène-class submarine capable of shallow and blue water missions. The local manufacture of corvettes and frigates will be assessed in the near future, said DCNS.

"DCNS is committed to establishing long-term partnerships with the Indonesian industry to enhance Indonesia's local high-tech industrial content," according to Guillou.


http://www.telegiz.com/articles/19705/2017...ines-france.htm


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All Navy WWII vintage ships retired by 2020, replaced by modern warships

March 28, 2017 PNA Nation 0

By 2020, all World War II vintage ships of the Philippine Navy (PN) will be retired and replaced by newly-built vessels. PN spokesperson Capt. Lued Lincuna in an interview with the Philippine News Agency Tuesday said retirement of these “legacy ships” is required as their officers and crewmembers are needed to man the newly-acquired warships which are expected to be delivered.

Expected to be delivered and commissioned by then are the two missile-armed frigates, the contract of which was won by South Korean shipbuilder Hyundai Heavy Industries, and three missile-armed multi-purpose assault craft.

More crewmen are also needed to man the two strategic sealift vessels whose delivery are expected to be completed this May.

Lincuna said decommissioning of the PN’s World War II era-vessels are needed as operating and maintaining them is getting more costly and expensive.

Aside from this, they are no longer capable of competing with new vessels of similar class.

World War II ships in PN service include the BRP Rajah Humabon, BRP Rizal, BRP Malvar, BRP Quezon and the BRP Laguna among others.


http://www.update.ph/2017/03/all-navy-wwii...-warships/16215
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post Apr 1 2017, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(miuk @ Apr 1 2017, 06:53 AM)
Seriously if you get the opportunity, their bags are built bullet proof. I can see it lasting 20 years (my old Eastpak from secondary school i'm also using until today).

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Also pretty interesting youtube podcast and 'gear review' by the founder here.

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nah, their bags too exp for me.. my best 30L backpack is still my samsonite laptop bag.. wanted to dump it but then decided to use it for outdoor... no regrets... take up to 25kg so far.. not bad for such a small pack

we did ruck heavy last year for trial run.. back was sore for 1 week...

QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Apr 1 2017, 10:34 AM)
Which US SOF is more dangerous opponent? The green beret or the SEAL? For me its the green beret.
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depends how you define dangerous... team vs team direct action i would say seals..

QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 1 2017, 12:28 PM)
indon got awac?

QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 1 2017, 01:01 PM)
lelz... how will this affect msia?
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post Apr 1 2017, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Mar 31 2017, 07:49 PM)
HMS Ocean is built only to commercial standards, and memang only has a ~20 year life

The refit IIRC was only to keep up with EU environmental regs

I'm certainly not a ship expert but I wouldn't spend LOTS of money to buy a car hoping to use it beyond its planned useful life, too many components can go wrong... what more a far more complex machine like a ship
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well ship commercial standards not means only 20 year life, many commercial ship can use 30+ years.
like Indo made makarssa class can use 30 Year+
worth or not , depend study and analysis by team. if value price and got budget why not , it can use many role for MAF.
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Apr 1 2017, 03:23 PM)
well ship commercial standards not means only 20 year life, many commercial ship can use 30+ years. 
like Indo made makarssa class can use 30 Year+
worth or not , depend study and analysis by team.  if value price and got budget why not , it can use many role for MAF.
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not seaworthy anymore.. sink it like peenoise into offshore base rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Apr 1 2017, 01:03 PM)
lelz... how will this affect msia?
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nothing? cuz they are considering for a different type of scorpene (scorpene 1000)

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post Apr 1 2017, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Apr 1 2017, 01:23 PM)
well ship commercial standards not means only 20 year life, many commercial ship can use 30+ years. 
like Indo made makarssa class can use 30 Year+
worth or not , depend study and analysis by team.  if value price and got budget why not , it can use many role for MAF.
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Ship build using commercial spec is ok but for indon ship, the filight deck need a lot of strengthening to support medium lift, vehicle deck doors must be able tahan at least 60tons. For Lcvp and LCM/LCU cand buy open market as its better from what they have. For ocean the deck is capable of chinook so its not a problem but you can only use lcvp and not sure they support vehicle from the rear ramp. If no longer in operation use can make big offshore sea base.
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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Apr 1 2017, 01:56 PM)
nothing? cuz they are considering for a different type of scorpene (scorpene 1000)

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Why last time Malaysia did not get the Scorpene with TOT. With all the ship they buy now is with TOT and assembly in malaysia, at least another shipyard can come up and do it.
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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Apr 1 2017, 02:19 PM)
Why last time Malaysia did not get the Scorpene with TOT. With all the ship they buy now is with TOT and assembly in malaysia, at least another shipyard can come up and do it.
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actually they did but only on maintenance level which is ady good enough
deswai all the major overhauling and repair can be done locally at sepanggar

no need for full TOT.. not like msia can dream to have the level where they can build a submarine locally
even if they could, all the electronics and sensors which covers most of the actual cost would still come from foreign sources
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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Apr 1 2017, 03:56 PM)
nothing? cuz they are considering for a different type of scorpene (scorpene 1000)

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hmm.. smaller one for indon? maciam same specs je
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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Apr 1 2017, 01:56 PM)
nothing? cuz they are considering for a different type of scorpene (scorpene 1000)

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Don't know if the Scorpene 1000 offer is still on the table as it was designed for shallow water operations while the latest news reported the submarine is the latest-generation version Scorpene sub capable of shallow and blue water operations.

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Over the past few years, the partners have been studying an industrial plan based on locally producing a multipurpose, latest-generation version of the Scorpène-class submarine capable of shallow and blue water missions.



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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Apr 1 2017, 01:23 PM)
well ship commercial standards not means only 20 year life, many commercial ship can use 30+ years. 
like Indo made makarssa class can use 30 Year+
worth or not , depend study and analysis by team.  if value price and got budget why not , it can use many role for MAF.
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If gonna go with commercial standards, take a slightly used ship ~5 years say, and mod it like Bunga Mas Lima... will probably work as well... its not like we are conducting opposed amphibious landing, its just a glorified transport ship/heli carrier temporary until we can get a really capable MRSS

US built theirs from scratch but it is quite possible to do from commercial

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Most famous example is UK's Atlantic Conveyor which could carry 4 Chinook and had 1 spotted on deck. Immense cargo capacity.

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Apr 1 2017, 03:30 PM)
hmm.. smaller one for indon? maciam same specs je
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specs wise not even the same laugh.gif

QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 1 2017, 04:38 PM)
Don't know if the Scorpene 1000 offer is still on the table as it was designed for shallow water operations while the latest news reported the submarine is the latest-generation version Scorpene sub capable of shallow and blue water operations.
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they could have combined the design from the scorpene 1000 industrial plan study into the conventional scorpene and made a new design? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Apr 1 2017, 04:57 PM)
If gonna go with commercial standards, take a slightly used ship ~5 years say, and mod it like Bunga Mas Lima... will probably work as well... its not like we are conducting opposed amphibious landing, its just a glorified transport ship/heli carrier temporary until we can get a really capable MRSS

US built theirs from scratch but it is quite possible to do from commercial

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Most famous example is UK's Atlantic Conveyor which could carry 4 Chinook and had 1 spotted on deck. Immense cargo capacity.

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wasn't this ship sunk
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QUOTE(Lumiaaa @ Apr 1 2017, 05:44 PM)
wasn't this ship sunk
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Yes, that is why it is famous laugh.gif lesson learned - from now on put chaff and CIWS on EVERYTHING laugh.gif

However the auxiliary ship in a way did its job screening the carriers, the Exocet went for it rather than HMS Invincible or HMS Hermes, both of which were well covered by chaff and CIWS.

The other auxiliaries which are NOT famous because they were NOT sunk rolleyes.gif are the ones to learn from. Look at the huge amounts of materiel and men they ferried:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nav...n_up_from_trade
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Bolehland butthurt then  devil.gif
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10 SUBMARINE

10 !!!

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Malaysia should have minimum 6

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