Good offer .。RMN interest or not ? only 20 year using, still have at lease 10+ year life i think。。。 21k tonne... just finish re-fit in 2014 cost 65mil pound helicopter can slowly get.
My 2 cents, before this they would have probably been KIA without the help of modern armor and the PJs in their medivacs.
Indeed, but now even more suffering for these veterans.
Not all are able to get help from the VA. Furthermore their injuries, physical and mental, will most of their time exclude them from any meaningful civilian life. Some very severe injuries also need specialist care and physiotherapy that not all can afford on their military pensions. Not to mention all those cases of PTSD and other mental trauma that civilians usually dismiss.
Americans love the idea of a soldier serving the country, not the soldiers themselves. They see a random soldier, they will say 'thank you for your service', but does anyone say thank you to the homeless veteran on the street?
I wonder how many crippled and homeless veteran, discarded and dismissed by the society they tried to protect, ask themselves quietly at night: "wouldn't it had been better had I died back there?"
French DCNS, Indonesian PT PAL sign cooperation agreement
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French shipbuilder DCNS has signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) with Indonesian shipyard PT PAL to increase cooperation in the fields of submarine and surface ship construction.
The MoU confirmation comes following the visit of French president François Hollande to Indonesia.
Indonesia wants to reinforce its naval capacity and is mulling ordering French submarines and surface ships to be built in Indonesia with a high level of local industrial content.
DCNS said the two companies had been cooperating over the past few years to identify the best industrial solution with a multipurpose submarine from the Scorpene-class family now on offer. The submarine would be able to perform both shallow and blue water missions.
Other opportunities on corvettes and frigates are going to be assessed in the near future, it was further said.
“As the European leader in naval combat systems, warship designer and builder, DCNS is committed to establishing long-term partnerships with the Indonesian industry to enhance Indonesia’s local high-tech industrial content,” DCNS CEO Hervé Guillou said after the MoU signing. “Our cooperation with Indonesia’s largest shipyard PT PAL is a perfect illustration of this ambition and we are looking forward to bringing our strong expertise in technology transfers for complex naval programs to provide an industrial project and develop Indonesian Navy operational capability.”
Indonesia currently operates two German Type 209 submarines and has three South Korean Chang Bogo class submarines on order (two were already launched in South Korea).
Good offer .。RMN interest or not ? only 20 year using, still have at lease 10+ year life i think。。。 21k tonne... just finish re-fit in 2014 cost 65mil pound helicopter can slowly get.
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My goals with GORUCK are to (1) serve as a voice for good, (2) employ more Veterans of Special Operations than any organization outside the US military, and (3) build a bridge between the military and civilian worlds. This started with GR1 and continued with The Challenge and people rucking together became the focus and welcome to GORUCK.
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Good offer .。RMN interest or not ? only 20 year using, still have at lease 10+ year life i think。。。 21k tonne... just finish re-fit in 2014 cost 65mil pound helicopter can slowly get.
HMS Ocean is built only to commercial standards, and memang only has a ~20 year life
The refit IIRC was only to keep up with EU environmental regs
I'm certainly not a ship expert but I wouldn't spend LOTS of money to buy a car hoping to use it beyond its planned useful life, too many components can go wrong... what more a far more complex machine like a ship
HMS Ocean is built only to commercial standards, and memang only has a ~20 year life
The refit IIRC was only to keep up with EU environmental regs
I'm certainly not a ship expert but I wouldn't spend LOTS of money to buy a car hoping to use it beyond its planned useful life, too many components can go wrong... what more a far more complex machine like a ship
French, Indonesian naval firms extend submarine study
By: Pierre Tran, March 31, 2017
PARIS — French naval defense specialist DCNS and Indonesian shipyard PT PAL have extended cooperation on studies for a potential order and local assembly of submarines for the Asian nation, the French president’s office said.
“The memorandum of understanding (MoU) covers the extension of an existing agreement (which expired in December 2016) between PT PAL and DCNS on an industrial cooperation with a view to an Indonesian acquisition of submarines,” the Elysée office said March 29.
The agreement was among those signed during a visit to Jakarta by the French head of state, François Hollande. DCNS Chairman Hervé Guillou and PT Pal director Firmansyah Arifin signed the memorandum.
Other agreements included a letter of intention on defense cooperation, signed by the respective defense ministers, and a letter of intent signed by Airbus Defense and Space and local partner PT Pelita to study an order for the A400M airlifter.
The memorandum for naval studies also covered Indonesia’s interest in acquiring warships, under the Indonesian-French defense dialogue, DCNS said.
“Indonesia wants to reinforce its naval capacity and is discussing with France to explore projects of submarine and surface ships to be built in Indonesia with a high level of local industrial content, through Indonesian-French long-term cooperation,” the company said in a March 30 statement.
The French and Indonesian companies have been studying over the past few years an industrial plan based on a multipurpose, latest-generation version of the Scorpene submarine, capable of shallow and blue water missions, DCNS said.
“Other opportunities on corvettes and frigates are going to be assessed in the near future,” the company said.
“DCNS is committed to establishing long-term partnerships with the Indonesian industry to enhance Indonesia’s local high-tech industrial content,” Guillou said in a statement.
Indonesia seeks to build up a submarine fleet, having in 2012 placed a $1 billion order for three South Korean attack submarines, with the first built in South Korea with on-site Indonesian engineers; part of the second built in Indonesia; and the third built by the state company PAL in the Indonesian port city of Surabaya.
The Indonesian Navy sought a fleet of at least 10 submarines and later revised the count to 12, according to a Dec. 5, 2015, report from Singapore-based S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies. That planned increased is part of Indonesia's Minimum Essential Force program, which runs to 2024 and seeks to boost naval capabilities.
Good offer .。RMN interest or not ? only 20 year using, still have at lease 10+ year life i think。。。 21k tonne... just finish re-fit in 2014 cost 65mil pound helicopter can slowly get.
They don't need the HMS ocean now. The major ampibious operation will be done by HMS Albion and HMS Bulwark LPD. The design of the Ocean as LPH are obsolete as it can launch lcvp and no docking capability for LCM and LCU. The task will be taken over the 2 new aircraft carrier. With all British harrier gr9 sold to US marine for 37 million, there is no use for RN for a flat deck. And the money they save will be use for the 2 big ship.
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I signed up for the military after 9/11 because of 9/11 and eventually served with some of the most elite warfighters in the history of the world: the Green Berets. GORUCK is based in every way on the lessons I learned in this community, both in training and in war.
My goals with GORUCK are to (1) serve as a voice for good, (2) employ more Veterans of Special Operations than any organization outside the US military, and (3) build a bridge between the military and civilian worlds. This started with GR1 and continued with The Challenge and people rucking together became the focus and welcome to GORUCK.
Jason Signature Jason McCarthy 10th Special Forces Group, 2006-08 Founder, GORUCK
Seriously if you get the opportunity, their bags are built bullet proof. I can see it lasting 20 years (my old Eastpak from secondary school i'm also using until today).
Also pretty interesting youtube podcast and 'gear review' by the founder here.
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Indonesia takes delivery of AS565 MBe helicopters Indonesia’s PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PTDI) has delivered two AS565 MBe anti-submarine helicopters to the Indonesian military. CDPH-5584-22_Copyright_Airbus_Helicopters_Eric_Raz[1] The two are part of an order for eleven helicopters and they still lack the mission systems to perform their duties.