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DDG_Ross
post Apr 1 2017, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(Lumiaaa @ Apr 1 2017, 06:13 PM)
10 SUBMARINE
10 !!!
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Malaysia should have minimum 6
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12 if following their MEF plan and across several submarine classes
not sure why they want use several class of attack sub at once?

cakra class
chang bogo class
scorpene class?
kilo class?
azriel
post Apr 1 2017, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Apr 1 2017, 05:41 PM)
specs wise not even the same  laugh.gif
they could have combined the design from the scorpene 1000 industrial plan study into the conventional scorpene and made a new design?  hmm.gif
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Maybe the sub is based from the Scorpene 1000 with larger displacement.

But by looking at the Scorpene model presented by the French Defence Minster looks like the conventional Scorpene. Photo credit to DCNS.

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Apr 1 2017, 06:23 PM)
12 if following their MEF plan and across several submarine classes
not sure why they want use several class of attack sub at once?

cakra class
chang bogo class
scorpene class?
kilo class?
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Yes the plan is for 12 submarines by 2024. The Cakra Class is due to be retired in 2020.

This post has been edited by azriel: Apr 1 2017, 06:30 PM
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post Apr 1 2017, 06:37 PM

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post Apr 1 2017, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 1 2017, 06:30 PM)
Maybe the sub is based from the Scorpene 1000 with larger displacement.
But by looking at the Scorpene model presented by the French Defence Minster looks like the conventional Scorpene. Photo credit to DCNS.

Yes the plan is for 12 submarines by 2024. The Cakra Class is due to be retired in 2020.
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seems to have the x-bow configuration so its more likely a combination of both 1000 and the conventional design hmm.gif

cakra class is essentially the older version of the chang bogo class so maybe they could keep it to train future chang bogo sailors?
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post Apr 1 2017, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(TigerLion @ Apr 1 2017, 09:03 PM)
Why did Malaysia choose to use M4 instead of other rifles?  confused.gif
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cheap n familiar...
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post Apr 1 2017, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(TigerLion @ Apr 1 2017, 07:03 PM)
Why did Malaysia choose to use M4 instead of other rifles?  :confused:
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....such as? SA80? G36?! XM8?!?! IMI TAVOR?!?!?!?!

M4 is relatively new development, we used Steyr Aug for a long while and actually trialled both G36 and Xm8
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Should RMAF get the Kuwait/Saudi f18 and then if depending on budget available get some super hornet instead of eurofighter/dassult Rafael

Su 30mkm (18)
?? Su 35 (??)
F - 18 C/D (26)
F - 18 E/F (18)


Yes I'm just dreaming but what do you think?

Russian + American = win?

Make RMAF great again

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DDG_Ross
post Apr 1 2017, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(Lumiaaa @ Apr 1 2017, 07:12 PM)
Should RMAF get the Kuwait/Saudi f18 and then if depending on budget available get some super hornet instead of eurofighter/dassult Rafael

Su 30mkm (18)
?? Su 35 (??)
F - 18 C/D (26)
F - 18 E/F (18)
Yes I'm just dreaming but what do you think?

Russian + American = win?

Make RMAF great again
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got some april food weed is it?
SUSLumiaaa
post Apr 1 2017, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Apr 1 2017, 07:22 PM)
got some april food weed is it?
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Ok laa su35 maybe a bit far fetched since not many countries also getting su35 maybe tumpang more su30


I think it's more sensible than adding another new model like dassult or eurofighter

We already got f18 and su30 so increase the fleet of either one of them

This post has been edited by Lumiaaa: Apr 1 2017, 07:28 PM
malberi8
post Apr 1 2017, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(Lumiaaa @ Apr 1 2017, 07:12 PM)
Should RMAF get the Kuwait/Saudi f18 and then if depending on budget available get some super hornet instead of eurofighter/dassult Rafael

Su 30mkm (18)
?? Su 35 (??)
F - 18 C/D (26)
F - 18 E/F (18)
Yes I'm just dreaming but what do you think?

Russian + American = win?

Make RMAF great again
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Malaysian gomen will not make any new purchase of defense equipment until after this coming General Election. New purchase is like giving a new bullets for the pembangkang to shoot Najib..
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post Apr 1 2017, 07:59 PM

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Fincantieri Trieste LHA/LHD


Builder : Fincantieri


Status : Under Construction
Cost : € 1.126 billion
Laid down : summer 2017 (expected)
Launched : fall 2018 (expected)
Commissioned : fall 2021 (expected)


Specification : -

Full load displacement : ~32,000 tons

LOA : 245 m (804 ft)

Beam : 36 m (118 ft)



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The vessels are designed to ensure extremely efficient land - air - marine connections. They can carry a fully equipped battalion of landing troops: they are Amphibious Transport Ships with through deck for helicopter operation and a full length garage deck, after portion of which is convertible in dock with own LCMs. During peacetime the vessels confirm their excellent capabilities in disaster relief, humanitarian and SAR operations.


https://www.fincantieri.com/en/products-and.../multirole-lhd/









SUSLumiaaa
post Apr 1 2017, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(malberi8 @ Apr 1 2017, 07:56 PM)
Malaysian gomen will not make any new purchase of defense equipment until after this coming General Election. New purchase is like giving a new bullets for the pembangkang to shoot Najib..
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Yes after election
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post Apr 1 2017, 08:25 PM

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I have severe short-sightedness, 800 each eye. Is it possible for me to join the army, at least the wataniah?
I read that >650 are not allowed to join the british army even if you do LASIK.
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post Apr 1 2017, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Apr 1 2017, 06:39 PM)
seems to have the x-bow configuration so its more likely a combination of both 1000 and the conventional design  hmm.gif

cakra class is essentially the older version of the chang bogo class so maybe they could keep it to train future chang bogo sailors?
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Did you mean X-Rudder?

AFAIK the conventional Scorpene with X-Rudder is the new latest-generation Scorpene 2000 SSK.

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DCNS Unveils an Evolution of Its Scorpene 2000 SSK Submarine at UDT 2015
 
At UDT 2015 the Undersea Defence Technology exhibition and conference currently taking place in Rotterdam, DCNS unveiled an evolution of its Scorpene 2000 diesel-electric submarines (SSK).
      
Xavier Mesnet, Submarine Marketing Director, told Navy Recognition during UDT 2015 that this evolution of the Scorpene 2000 design shows how DCNS integrates the latest technologies unveiled at Euronaval last year (such as the second-generation fuel-cell AIP, UUV deployment and recovery, Vipere multifunction buoy...) as well as industrial challenges and customer requirements.

The new Scorpene 2000 evolution model unveiled for the first time at UDT 2015 shows a redesigned sail and stern. According to Marie Nicod, submarine naval architect at DCNS, the only part left unchanged on the model shown at UDT 2015 is the bow. Up to 8 masts may now fit in the new sail because of its larger design. The stern is fitted with an X-rudder for better maneuvrability as well as pre-swirl stators: They reduce the rotational losses incurred by the propeller and further increase the performance of the screw.

DCNS can adapt the Scorpene 2000 series to specific customer requirements including its size and shape. Finally we were told that this evolution of the Scorpene 2000 may deploy the full spectrum of weapons: Torpedoes, Anti-ship missiles, Surface to air Missile, Cruise missiles plus special forces and UUVs.


http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/n...t-udt-2015.html


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Sedef Shipbuilding TCG Anadolu (L-408) LHD/LAC


Builder : Sedef Shipbuilding


Status : Under Construction (30 April 2016)
Cost : ??
Laid down : 30 April 2016
Launched : launch in 2021 (expected)
Commissioned : 2021 (expected)


Specification : -

Length : 232 m (761 ft)[4]
Beam : 32 m (105 ft)[4]
Draught : 6.9 m (23 ft)[1]
Propulsion : 5 x 8000 KW Man Diesel Generators, 2 x 11 MW Siemens SiPOD , 2 x 1500 KW Bow Thruster
Speed : 21 knots (39 km/h; 24 mph)
Range : 9,000 nautical miles (17,000 km; 10,000 mi) at 15 knots (28 km/h; 17 mph)


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The ship can be configured as a light aircraft carrier or as an amphibious assault ship. It will have the ability to sustain and operate F-35B if Turkey purchases the type.









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post Apr 1 2017, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Apr 1 2017, 07:59 PM)
Fincantieri Trieste LHA/LHD
Builder : Fincantieri
Status : Under Construction
Cost : € 1.126 billion
Laid down :  summer 2017 (expected)
Launched :  fall 2018 (expected)
Commissioned :  fall 2021 (expected)
Specification : -

Full load displacement : ~32,000 tons

LOA : 245 m (804 ft)

Beam : 36 m (118 ft)
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The vessels are designed to ensure extremely efficient land - air - marine connections. They can carry a fully equipped battalion of landing troops: they are Amphibious Transport Ships with through deck for helicopter operation and a full length garage deck, after portion of which is convertible in dock with own LCMs. During peacetime the vessels confirm their excellent capabilities in disaster relief, humanitarian and SAR operations.
https://www.fincantieri.com/en/products-and.../multirole-lhd/

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This is too big for TLDM. They can get the Algerian amphibious transport dock Kalaat Béni Abbès of the San Giorgio clas. Really a true MRSS. Just right for TLDM for patrol, HDAR and logistic as they want 3 ship.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_am...at_Béni_Abbès



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QUOTE(Lumiaaa @ Apr 1 2017, 07:26 PM)
Ok laa su35 maybe a bit far fetched since not many countries also getting su35 maybe tumpang more su30
I think it's more sensible than adding another new model like dassult or eurofighter

We already got f18 and su30 so increase the fleet of either one of them
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For TLDM getting the 2nd hand hornet will eat up their future budget. Its better to get new 18 rafale or typhoon. And if the like the hornet maritime striker ability just get another 18 Superbug. Not sure what is TUDM minimum effective fleet but having small number of fighter type each will weight down their maintenance operation. Something having more of same type is cheaper. Legacy hornet airframe will not last due to fatigue. It not just flying hours, no of G pull and year in service and exposure to enviroment do play apart.
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Singapore New F35 Aircraft Carrier Endurance N-188

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Capacity: 16 unit of F35 Aircrafts with 2 Rescues Helicopters

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Displacement:
15,912 tons standard,
16,700 tons loaded

Length:
185.9 m (643 ft)

Beam:
24.3 m (80 ft)

Draught:
9.4 m (31 ft)

Propulsion:
2 × Bazan-General Electric LM2500+ gas turbines in COGAG configuration, one shaft, 46,400 shp

Speed:
26 knots (48 km/h; 30 mph)

Range:
6,500 nautical miles (12,000 km; 7,500 mi) at 20 knots (37 km/h; 23 mph)

Complement:

600 (total); 400 ship crew, 200 air crew

Sensors and
processing systems:

Raytheon SPS-52C/D 3D air search radar,
SC Cardion SPS-55 surface search radar,
ITT SPN-35A aircraft control radar,
FABA SPG-M2B fire control radar,
SELEX Sistemi Integrati RTN-11L/X missile approach warning radar,
Selex RAN 12 L target designation radar

Electronic warfare
& decoys:

Nettunel electronic countermeasures unit,
Super RBOC,
Sensytech AN/SLQ-25 Nixie decoy

Armament:

4 × FABA Meroka Mod 2B CIWS,
12 × Oerlikon L120 20 mm guns

Aircraft carried:
16 fixed wing and 2 rotary wing aircraft
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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Apr 1 2017, 10:05 PM)
For TLDM getting the 2nd hand hornet will eat up their future budget. Its better to get new 18 rafale or typhoon. And if the like the hornet maritime striker ability just get another 18 Superbug. Not sure what is TUDM minimum effective fleet but having small number of fighter type each will weight down their maintenance operation. Something having more of same type is cheaper. Legacy hornet airframe will not last due to fatigue. It not just flying hours, no of G pull and year in service and exposure to enviroment do play apart.
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If rmaf insist on brand new fighter
Instead of 18 rafale/typhoon, IMHO RMAF should get the superbug since they already have 8 legacy hornets in the fleet

I hope mindef listen to RMAF choice. I think RMAF prefer superbug (someone on this forum mentioned before)

18 Su 30mkm
18 F 18 E/F + option for more if budget allows
8 F 18 D

total 44 MRCA

then we already got the Hawks for light attack
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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Apr 1 2017, 01:03 PM)

indon got awac?

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The Indonesian Air Force B737 SLAMMR (Side Looking Airborne Multi Mission Radar) aircrafts are currently being upgraded with WESCAM MX-20HD Electro Optical and Infrared (EO/IR).

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http://angkasa.grid.id/info/militer/camar-...g-mx-20hd-eoir/

The MX-20HD EO/IR is the same as the USN & RAAF P-8A Poseidon aircrafts are using.

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RAAF AND US NAVY RECEIVE L3 WESCAM MX-20D EO/IR

L3 was contracted to provide MX-20 electro-optical/infrared (EO/IR) imaging systems to the US Navy for installation on a number of P-8A POSEIDON Multi-mission Maritime Aircraft (MMA). Procured to support both US and Australian operations, the newly equipped P-8As will support worldwide naval missions conducted by the US Navy and the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF).

http://www.monch.com/mpg/news/11-air/569-r...-20d-eo-ir.html


There is also report that one of the Indonesian Air Force C295 to be upgraded to a Command & Control variant.

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