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keown83
post Mar 19 2017, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Mar 19 2017, 04:27 PM)
If navy have no money why they funded lms project using their own budget?
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the better question is, how navy can acquire their own money to fund lms procurement when news said Malaysia no money?

how accurate is this news?

is malaysia no money or defence media trying to speculate so that malaysia gomen feels the heat & later pump up their budget to buy big?

must remember that our current military budget is just 1.2% from total GDP compare to Aussie (2% from GDP), South Korea (2.6% from GDP), & even Singapore (3.2% from GDP)..Malaysia can always increase defence budget if they want to

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post Mar 19 2017, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(lordy @ Mar 19 2017, 04:45 PM)
you must not forget how shitty ringgit perform against US dollars in real term, so 1.2% of GDP have to discount by at least 40%
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but still, its a small % of GDP compare to other countries around our region..& buying military stuff doesn't necessarily depend 100% on USD exchange rate..buying defence stuf from China does not put u into USD exchange rate at all..& also buying military stuf does not necessarily must use hard cash..we have bought military stuff without using cash befur..no prob bout that

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post Mar 19 2017, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Mar 19 2017, 04:54 PM)
Has already been discussed: LMS procurement was from Navy's own painfully-saved tabung, and its really tight too so LMS does not have any amazing spec.

For gods sake "no money" doesn't automatically mean muflis until minum air paip doh.gif
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i think its been discussed befur that the budget navy had from their tabung will be enough to get basic hull while the rest (system/radar/weaponary/etc2) will still need budget from ministry

but still, the budget is still so small compare to other countries (key player) around our region..so for my pov, its not becos gomen is short of money like the news reported, but its more about gomen put priority in other development rather than defence for recent budget planning

1.2% from total GDP is too small..even singapore got 3.2% from total GDP

the truth is, we never spend a lot

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so its up to malaysia gomen to set priority level of defence budget

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post Mar 19 2017, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Mar 19 2017, 05:13 PM)
and the priority level, like for everything in Malaysia, is - x% for my pocket, y% for actual armed forces use

before talking about why politikus from other sides don't like to allocate money for armed forces, tepuk dada tanya selera why there is x%...

P.S. This is solid fact about practical limitations to Armed Forces budget, so MKLMS, don't need to get snippy
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not going to say i disagree with u, but not everything about military procurement will have "x% for my pocket, y% for actual armed forces", unless u can prove otherwise

like previous Hornet procurement, its a gov-to-gov purchasing

what i see here is that gomen through najib administration have become very careful in military spending & plus najib's team focus for economic development more than military spending..past experience of military asset procurement has thought him a gud lesson i think..EC725, Su-30MKM, Scorpene, all being politicized to the max..funnily enough, behind the political outcry, there's always a figure thats have link to the lose lobbyist..i guess thats how the business work in defence market

ps: still remember anwar condemned EC725 procurement & said its better to buy Mi-171 Kazan in large number (LEL like we dunno who behind him)


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post Mar 20 2017, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(TigerLion @ Mar 19 2017, 07:27 PM)
I will be going back for my reservist this September.

After which I will receive SGD$5k into my CPF as a milestone reward.  biggrin.gif
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owh, they pay straight into ur CPF account? not into ur personal bank account?
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post Mar 20 2017, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(lordy @ Mar 20 2017, 11:44 AM)
interesting, who is not telling the whole truth now?  devil.gif
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post Mar 23 2017, 09:17 AM

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LIMA already 3rd day..any promising news for ATM new procurement?

3rd day already i can go LIMA..just arrived in langkawi

haih
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post Mar 27 2017, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(Lumiaaa @ Mar 27 2017, 02:15 PM)
Why tudm insist on twin jet? Our neighbours all have a mix of twin and single jet

High end twin jet like f15/sukhoi and mid range single engine f16/gripen
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different country got different point of view, doctrine & justification on selecting either single or twin engine

there's no right or wrong in choosing between these two, only benefits over limitation

so farx tudm opted for twin engine..in the eyes of tudm, twin engine are better than single, at least on malaysia territory as we devided into east & west

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post Mar 31 2017, 01:36 AM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Mar 29 2017, 06:56 PM)
SG NS50: From My Generation to Yours



After 50 years of National Service, we have not only built up a strong SAF, capable of defending Singapore and keeping Singaporeans safe, but also forged a nation through shared sacrifices and experiences.

This video pays tribute to the more than 1 million national servicemen who did their duty faithfully – for themselves, their families, and our beloved Singapore.

Here's a salute to those who have served, who are serving, and who will serve. Thank you for your service and your sacrifice!
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i always envy with the way Singapore advertise their servicemen

so professional, much like, very wow

i look also feels wanna join

if ATM could produce an advertisement as gud as this
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post Apr 1 2017, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 1 2017, 07:50 AM)
adoi lupa plak arini aprilfool LOL
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post Apr 3 2017, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(lordy @ Apr 3 2017, 05:58 PM)
it is a balancing art that takes years to master with conscious, while at times spending billions into getting the state of the art hardware, take a little time to think about the welfare of armed personnel and their families.

state of the art military hardware, good to have

upgrade the welfare of military personnel and their immediate families, is a must do and must have.
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can u elaborate more base on real situation & real scenario?

which military personnel & their families that ATM purposely left behind?

please state also source of ur info
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post Apr 3 2017, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(lordy @ Apr 3 2017, 08:29 PM)
here you go.

see the figures, if you say these salaries are enough to raise a family of 2 kids + 1 wife until retirement age of say 45, then i close case.

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All is a STARTING salary

Officer With Degree Holder;
Veterinar = RM3022
Engineering = RM2876
Law = RM2730
Others = RM2585

Cadet = RM1564

Officer with only SPM = RM1500

Penjawat Awam in MINDEF (SPM Level) = RM1200


Dun tell me that u think they will stick to the same salary level until they retire

That is just basic salary alone..u still didnt count their other benefit;

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post Apr 4 2017, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(lordy @ Apr 3 2017, 11:07 PM)
let you have another example here

http://www.navy.mil.my/index.php/component...in-lain-pangkat

do you have other source to back up your claims?

enuf to sustain a wife + 2 kids? what happens after retirement age of 45?
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with the salary+allowance+benefits+free stuffs (housing/medical/etc2), yess..its enuff to sustain an average family

unless u can prove that its not enuff to feed average family

when u calculate, do consider that most ATM personnel live outside klang valley

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post Apr 5 2017, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 4 2017, 11:14 AM)
Some info from Damian @ AW Forum.  Photo credit to malaysianmilitaryforces.

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https://aw.my.com/en/forum/showthread.php?2...Vehicles/page80
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cawa-2 & erawa-2 same stuff or different want?
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post Apr 5 2017, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(PrimeArch @ Apr 5 2017, 04:44 PM)
i guess the quest for MRCA search is reaching its climate sooner than we thought

contender shortlisted = checked
contender kaw2 promote = checked
foreign gomen backup contender with lucrative incentive = checked
mig-29n potential buyer = checked
MRCA selected & announced = soon
Pakatun whack gomen kaw2 after the official purchase = not yet but definitely will

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post Apr 5 2017, 07:41 PM

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damn man i missed MP.net so much
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post Apr 10 2017, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 9 2017, 05:44 PM)
How Malaysia can keep its MiGs and save billions

http://rbth.com/blogs/continental_drift/20...billions-736491
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already read some other articles from same writer

bulls**t alarm triggered in each of his article

his russian plane fanboyism is too strong
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post May 17 2017, 09:43 AM

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walao

looks like there's a CPM-fag here trying to sell bullshit story about CPM & chin peng

MOD allow this?
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post May 21 2017, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(Sgoverclock @ May 21 2017, 04:48 PM)
Just like unsinkable scorpene?
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malaysian scorpene didnt sink of cos..malaysian scorpene only submerge..

sinking submarine will never be able to afloat back on water

so i wonder whose unsinkable scorpene was that? india perhaps?
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post Jun 14 2017, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Jun 14 2017, 12:32 AM)
Pegawai ghairah bertugas? what does this mean? passionate at working?

what's so wrong with officer passionate at working?

i dun understand this

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