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post Mar 17 2017, 02:29 PM

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Cough naval base cough innocent.gif

QUOTE(lokideangelus @ Mar 17 2017, 09:33 AM)
err, some computers, medical equipment and treatment are developed by Israel , so how ? Its not a valid argument. Msia don't have an attack heli, msia does need some. Its either American apache, kiowa or Russian night hunter or alligator.
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Only if we want to kill tanks in certain terrain
1stly our security concerns are different and 2ndly our terrain is different

For our kind of insurgent or sampan hunting Apache is overkill

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post Mar 17 2017, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Mar 17 2017, 02:43 PM)
Malaysia never a fan of Apache

Seems like we used to be gossiped with the Rooivalk (TD Rejected the idea)
the Tiger and for some time the Zulu Cobra

I too like Zulu Cobra
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Good thing no masuk Rooivalk or Tiger, considering...

QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Mar 17 2017, 02:57 PM)
Malaysia should have more MDs. One squadron for each division. The full attack helicopter like apache or zulu only tag with the main armour brigade. More efficient. Also the Md can be use for specops.
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post Mar 19 2017, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Mar 19 2017, 04:27 PM)
If navy have no money why they funded lms project using their own budget?
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Erm.... because that's the only thing they can afford, they have no money for another 6 Gowinds, 16 Kedah class OPVs, MRSSs, etc.?
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post Mar 19 2017, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(keown83 @ Mar 19 2017, 04:42 PM)
the better question is, how navy can acquire their own money to fund lms procurement when news said Malaysia no money?

how accurate is this news?
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Has already been discussed: LMS procurement was from Navy's own painfully-saved tabung, and its really tight too so LMS does not have any amazing spec.

For gods sake "no money" doesn't automatically mean muflis until minum air paip doh.gif
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post Mar 19 2017, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(keown83 @ Mar 19 2017, 05:08 PM)
so its up to malaysia gomen to set priority level of defence budget
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and the priority level, like for everything in Malaysia, is - x% for my pocket, y% for actual armed forces use

before talking about why politikus from other sides don't like to allocate money for armed forces, tepuk dada tanya selera why there is x%...

P.S. This is solid fact about practical limitations to Armed Forces budget, so MKLMS, don't need to get snippy
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post Mar 19 2017, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(keown83 @ Mar 19 2017, 05:27 PM)
not going to say i disagree with u, but not everything about military procurement will have "x% for my pocket, y% for actual armed forces", unless u can prove otherwise

like previous Hornet procurement, its a gov-to-gov purchasing

what i see here is that gomen through najib administration have become very careful in military spending & plus najib's team focus for economic development more than military spending..past experience of military asset procurement has thought him a gud lesson i think..EC725, Su-30MKM, Scorpene, all being politicized to the max..funnily enough, behind the political outcry, there's always a figure thats have link to the lose lobbyist..i guess thats how the business work in defence market

ps: still remember anwar condemned EC725 procurement & said its better to buy Mi-171 Kazan in large number (LEL like we dunno who behind him)
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IMHO?
We already maxed out on defence stuff already, its too hot topic in Parliament, so move the x% to elsewhere and let the y% budget suffer... but that IS going offtopic so... *zip*
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post Mar 19 2017, 05:41 PM

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These past 2 weekends I saw pairs of soldiers patrolling Sunway Pyramid together with mall security guard. Pakai beret uniform and M16, I was rushing so I didn't get pics or a close look.

We got heightened security level sekarang ke?
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post Mar 20 2017, 03:56 AM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Mar 20 2017, 03:39 AM)
Libyan warplane downed striking jihadists in Benghazi

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Probably a North Korean MANPAD, we already know ISIS/AQ has gotten quite a few of them
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post Mar 20 2017, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(lordy @ Mar 20 2017, 11:44 AM)
interesting, who is not telling the whole truth now?  devil.gif
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I don't know what's his problem? The FMT headline is provocative but the article sums up the essence of the 2-part articles quite succinctly.
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post Mar 21 2017, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Mar 21 2017, 10:37 PM)
Not like the suppose to be LMS.....because LMS, like RSN has container dock at the back to equip for different task. If this is the LMS that we are going to buy, I dont see any multi-mission capabilities.
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Model looks like Durjoy minus missile launchers
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post Mar 22 2017, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(bereev @ Mar 22 2017, 07:57 AM)
good news , we should consider
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For the cheep cheep price of endorsing Russia's position re: MH17 of course wink.gif
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post Mar 22 2017, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Mar 22 2017, 02:43 PM)
Rafale deals got Awacs
So does Super Hornet but only if RMAF buy 36 hornet then get 4 E2D
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That.... actually sounds good.

But I don't dare to even imagine the price tag....!
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post Mar 22 2017, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 22 2017, 02:53 PM)
36 super hornet + 4 e2d + weapons package + maintenance + spare.
I think it going to cost malaysia usd4bil max.
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Super Hornet is not much cheaper than future expected price of F-35A, ~USD 100m per

36 biji F-18 SH already USD 3.6 bil
lets say 200 AIM120 and 100 AIM9, another USD 0.2 bil for easy calc
4 E-2D about USD 200 mil each
Already hit USD 4.6 bil
Plus spares? Training?

Whats our annual procurement budget, USD 1 bil? If we dedicate half of that we'd be spending nearly 10 years paying for it, even more if interest + inflation factored in

And TDM TLDM can forget gettng any other big ticket items too... like 15 to 5....

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post Mar 22 2017, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Mar 22 2017, 05:57 PM)
msia kearah kuasa militer besar!  flex.gif
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Shut it bunny
Later I eat rabbit satay baru ko tau bruce.gif
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post Mar 22 2017, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Mar 22 2017, 06:24 PM)
usd 4.6b for 36SH and 4 E-2D is way too cheap/low...

just look at the Brazilian fighter contest ,they chose gripen at the price of usd 5b, instead of 36 SH for usd7.5b or 36 rafale for usd 8b
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Yeah
Figures are just based on flyaway cost, ofcourse need to input interest + profit + support costs etc
More likely ~USD 9B doh.gif unless we get mega discount whistling.gif

So can continue dreaming lah
But I agree with TUDM stance to find 2 engine plane
The higher cost is worth it in the end as insurance to preserve airframe and pilot, we already have very few of both
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post Mar 23 2017, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 23 2017, 12:03 AM)
Not really.
super hornet is way cheaper than f35.
Fly away cost ~usd70mil.
Unless you are talking about the f18G or the Australian version.
That would be expensive and malaysia unlikely to get approval to buy it.
Iirc we were once offer usd1.5bil+ for 18 super hornet + spare.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/...ication-154840/
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Those are 2002 dollars
USD 1.5 bil then is about USD 2 bil in 2016 dollars

Now some other sources do say 2016 F/A-18 flyaway cost is still 70M, but wiki quotes ~98M, source 2015 DOD budget... I suspect this is total program cost which we should expect to be charged

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post Mar 23 2017, 01:32 AM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Mar 22 2017, 11:25 PM)
sgpv batch 2?  blink.gif  blink.gif
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Dafuq
LCS build 0.5 out of 6 already looking at LCS AAW?
Will we operate Aster 30?!

QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 23 2017, 12:57 AM)
Should be around usd70mil.
Unless Boeing close the production reopening and low production would be very expensive.
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Should still be produced for some time to come
Future USN carrier air wing should be 24 F-35C 24 F/A-18E + 3 or 4 more F/A-18 Growler
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Mar 23 2017, 01:29 AM)
hopefully get FREMM-ER .... but with at lease 48-64 VLS.
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I'll settle for 40 Sylver
32 Aster 30, 16 Crotale Navale and 4 SCALP brows.gif
That'll make the neighbours sit up rclxms.gif

.....while I'm dreaming, Miss Universe and 5 million dollars too... sigh doh.gif doh.gif

QUOTE(waja2000 @ Mar 23 2017, 01:37 AM)
base on our navy use US standard weapon missile
LCS AAW possible with 4 fix panal Sea Master 400 radar + SM2 missile (wish) + CAMM-ER+ SeaRAM2 for 3 layer defense。
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Rojak giler
French ship, US + British missiles laugh.gif

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post Mar 23 2017, 01:42 AM

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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Mar 23 2017, 01:41 AM)
SH block iii is still at the demonstrator phase. although trump had ordered a study between SH and f35, its not yet a sure case.
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That fler tokok only
Take credit for savings which are already programmed
But his predecessor take credit for Osama too, so laugh.gif
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post Mar 23 2017, 02:25 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Mar 23 2017, 02:13 AM)
but sylver can't do quadpack missile。 using MK41 can have ESSM or future CAMM-ER & JSM missile VLS...  CAMM quardpack so far only develop for Mk41  and ExLS vls
SCALP  i like very like too, but under international weapon control can't export missile over 300km range。 so France can't export to as。
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Well, unless DCNS offer Mk 41 VLS so we can fit in SM2, ESSMs and JSM, we're stuck
Sylver can quadpack Crotale... alternatively, mix MICA and Aster 30 - don't know if there are space+weight savings there

Nah, don't really care for SCALP - much rather have 12 or even 16 shots NSM brows.gif


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