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post Mar 21 2017, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Mar 21 2017, 10:01 PM)
www.shephardmedia.com/news/imps-news/lima-2017-china-proposes-light-lhd/

LIMA 2017: China proposes light LHD

21st March 2017 - 12:30 by Gordon Arthur in Langkawi
LIMA 2017: China proposes light LHD
The China Shipbuilding & Offshore International Company (CSOC) showed a large scale model of a landing helicopter dock (LHD) vessel at the LIMA 2017 exhibition in Langkawi, Malaysia.

Although labelled a landing platform dock (LPD) the ship model had a flat-top deck suitable for landing up to four helicopters. The model interestingly showed an embarked V-22 Osprey and MH-60 Seahawk while a spokesperson said the ship could embark ten helicopters in total.

This new design was an interesting addition to the potpourri of ship designs that CSOC exhibited especially considering the fact that the Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) is not in the market for such a large-displacement vessel.

While the RMN has long had a desire to obtain LPDs it has been stymied in its quest by budgetary restrictions. Certainly it has no declared desire for an LHD.

Indeed, the most likely candidate to meet Malaysia's LPD requirement is the Multi-Role Support Ship (MRSS) from PT PAL being offered in conjunction with local partner Boustead Naval Shipyard. The MRSS is 163m long and displaces 12,000t.

A spokesperson from CSOC said the LHD model on display at LIMA 2017 had a displacement of approximately 20,000t. He confirmed it was not designed for the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) but that it had been proposed to several overseas customers.

Nevertheless there were similarities between the 20,000t LHD and the much larger Type 075 LHD that the PLAN appears destined to obtain. The shape of the island superstructure, for example, matched that of the Type 075 seen in unofficial artist's renditions.

Some sources within China previously stated that steel cutting on the first-of-class would take place in the first quarter of 2017.

The China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC) has apparently been awarded the construction contract for the Type 075 that will have an estimated displacement of 36,000t. This size would make it marginally smaller than a 40,500t Wasp-class LHD of the US Navy.

The Type 075 will have landing deck spaces for six helicopters and should be able to accommodate up to 30 helicopters. In the case of the PLAN this would probably include types such as the Z-8, Z-9, Z-18, Ka-28 and Ka-31. A main elevator is located at the stern.

On the Type 75 each corner of the hull features self-defensive weapons, including two H/PJ-11 11-barrelled 30mm close-in weapon system and two HQ-10 short-range surface-to-air missiles.

With the size of the PLAN Marine Corps set to rise from its current 20,000 troops to somewhere close to 100,000, China's navy will have an urgent need for LHDs.

The PLAN's largest amphibious support vessels at the moment are four Type 071 LPDs, although a fifth is under construction and a sixth is expected. Beijing had previously offered Malaysia this class of ship.

Interestingly, CSOC also showed a model of the Type 001 Liaoning aircraft carrier at LIMA 2017 as well, further underscoring China's efforts to make carrier acquisitions as routine and acceptable as possible.
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Now this is something i dont mind we get from china whistling.gif

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post Mar 22 2017, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Mar 22 2017, 04:28 AM)
Meanwhile,

Russia Keen To Upgrade Malaysian Combat Aircraft MiG-29N To MiG-29SM[SIZE=7]

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http://www.defenseworld.net/news/18776/Rus...SM#.WNGKB2-GPZ4
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Unlikely the rmaf will agrees to it which might just dampem their mrca hope if the mig 29 were to be upgraded.

The bean counter will use this excuse to further delay the mrca procrument. But then again, if rmaf hand are tied, they cant do anything also but to accept
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post Mar 22 2017, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Mar 22 2017, 10:40 AM)
looks like the french is really on the go with rafale

Anyhow, what is happening basically, the French wants us to sign for 18 Rafales and they hoping it will be the centre piece of their president’s visit next week, March 27.
http://www.malaysiandefence.com/rafale-oui/
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Must be from the botched deal from india..

Then again 18 rafeles.. what other goodies they willing to give if wang us to sign then and now?
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post Mar 22 2017, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Mar 22 2017, 10:48 AM)
Once hearf the mrss will be funded.. the predatos come flocking again haha
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post Mar 22 2017, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(Lumiaaa @ Mar 22 2017, 11:12 AM)
2 more submarine
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Two more scorpene could easily cost those 18 fighter jets.


QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Mar 22 2017, 11:14 AM)
kasi free ok?


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What the point if we lack awacs to support the bvraam metoer?

It will end up shooting blind as the figther itself radar range is not as far as the missile range. Awacs need to bridge tat gap and early detections
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post Mar 22 2017, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Mar 22 2017, 03:23 PM)
the same like before the Erieye, but not sure on what platform
it's  more to SAAB offset
even before this when Gripen was rumored for leased the Erieye is under different set of deals and circumstances
MPA under different deals
Me think +- 5bil
not sure if this original deals include the FMS
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Would be nice if they offer globaleye together

QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Mar 22 2017, 03:59 PM)
M346 trainer
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Itu saja? Why would need another jet trainer when our hawk still can go on
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post Mar 22 2017, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Mar 22 2017, 06:33 PM)
globaleye is just and newer erieye on different platform
now you make me crave fro bunneh satey
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Combined mpa capability
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post Mar 22 2017, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Mar 22 2017, 09:05 PM)
ni macam recycle mahalim news for aviation week
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post Mar 23 2017, 07:19 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Mar 23 2017, 02:37 AM)
They are pushing the 2nd batch and 3 batch
as all 3 batch have different type of role
LCS duit navy sendiri should be ok
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1st batch is ASW

2nd batch is AAR

3rd batch is? Combined ASW/AAR? Multirole?

Anyway based on dcns response, it look like the aaw would quite similar to our neighbour formidable class vessel. Meaning syvler vls to similarize with the existing batch but diff different radar system.

High possibility of the APAR radar on the intergrated mast system.. somehow we are hooked onto the idea.
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post Mar 23 2017, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Mar 23 2017, 01:35 PM)
I remember first batch is ASW and second is AAD
third I dont recall
It' easily recognizable and easier to communicate.
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ASuW - anti surface warfare


Additional NSM launcher with existing exocet mixed in rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 23 2017, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Mar 23 2017, 03:06 PM)
nope only the NSM
8 iinm per ship
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Even model on display already shows 8 pack launcher for the NSM though earlier model render actually shows the launcher type for Exocet

if ASuW.. i would expect more launcher for a bigger missile capacity or a combination of NSM and Ecoxet missiles

then it could also be batch 3 to be general purpose type like the italy fremm laugh.gif

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post Mar 23 2017, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Mar 23 2017, 08:05 PM)
NGPC are wired for exocet.
SGPC are wired for NSM.
Wired is not mean the hardware wiring. Its more on the software. All western design missle have Stagnag standard. Even all plane are the same for all western design. For Chinese and russian is different hardware configuration.
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most CMS is plug n play.. even now day can integrate china weapon into western CMS

though have to pay $$$ EXTRA

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post Mar 24 2017, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(lordy @ Mar 24 2017, 12:43 PM)
going russian is the trend now?
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They sell as long as not restricted items.
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post Mar 25 2017, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Mar 25 2017, 07:01 PM)
Russia stilll agree to give us parts and servicing?
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if not we wont be signing a service deal with them for our MKM maintenance

part from india have some quality issues or so i was told. Then we opt to stock pile parts sourced direct from russia and build service center for the MKM. Partly also to improve the MKM readiness

Lesson learn from MiG29 exp


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post Mar 26 2017, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Mar 26 2017, 07:14 PM)
hmm.. interesting development  hmm.gif

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No surprise if India want it, they have the know how to carry put a full overhaul

I was also told our mig29 is relative low hour compared to india whose use it more intensively

QUOTE(patt_sue @ Mar 26 2017, 07:29 PM)
lets ask another donation from japan biggrin.gif

another post from him

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post Mar 26 2017, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Mar 26 2017, 07:43 PM)
Kuwait Air Force - 28 F/A-18Cs and 7 F/A-18Ds in service as of November 200
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait_Air_Force

i guess they want to sell off their old stuff since they are getting newer super hornet and typhoon
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another million dollar question.. will they also transfer their missiles and ammunition to us if the deal goes through
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post Mar 26 2017, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Mar 26 2017, 08:18 PM)
why would we want their ammo too?  rclxub.gif
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beat us buying a new one to resupply
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post Mar 28 2017, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Mar 28 2017, 03:34 PM)
any military enthusiast should expected this
since all know current economic situation and election with in 1 year.
any big procurement big should be stop by Gov already。
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Depend on gov... if they want, special funding can be allocated but really depends if PM willing to take the risk especially when election is close.
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post Mar 28 2017, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Mar 28 2017, 05:57 PM)
Su30MKM's main base, Gong Kedak. Why would the base be there??



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Wasted 5 minute and no answer also

Not even informative
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post Mar 30 2017, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Mar 30 2017, 07:39 PM)
yup. american made, 20% more freedom than traditional commie ones

they also have smaw
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Not 50% more freedom when used with their new jet?

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