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 Mazda CX-5 2.0 or Nissan X Trail 2.0 or Toyota RAV, Each has their own strength and weakness

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post Mar 8 2017, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Mar 8 2017, 01:44 PM)

Well I do not mind using my Proton Saga for another year just to wait new Mazda CX-5. I heard that it will only be released next year. Just that my Proton is almost reaching the time where I need to change my timing belt. :S
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Well , the all new cx-5 looks promising too. Its worth to wait 🙄
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post Mar 8 2017, 03:42 PM

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i heard the new cx-5 will be launch sometime around end of the year, and the pricing will be increased between 10k - 15k from current models, thats y there r alot of promotions going on for mazda.
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post Mar 8 2017, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(Actchan @ Mar 8 2017, 03:35 PM)
Well , the all new cx-5 looks promising too. Its worth to wait 🙄
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Yeah. I just watched the review for 2017 cx-5.. Man I can say is..... usb port everywhere. tongue.gif tongue.gif . There is also air con and backrow.



QUOTE(munk3y @ Mar 8 2017, 03:42 PM)
i heard the new cx-5 will be launch sometime around end of the year, and the pricing will be increased between 10k - 15k from current models, thats y there r  alot of promotions going on for mazda.
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Yeah, the price hike up another 20k compare previous model. Question is, will that 20k worth it for the remodeling? Understand the engine will be different, but we do not know how's the performance.

Exterior wise, I personally prefer the existing cx-5. Interior I prefer 2017 version.

A lot of people are saying 2.5 is better for SUV. But I really not sure... cause the price difference is like another 20k. It may hike up to 160k. So ya... I will test drive 2.0 and 2.5 to feel the difference this weekend first. If the passanger is just 1 and 1 driver. I do not think there will be lots of differences between.

I try not to overspend on vehicle as need to prepare to buy house. laugh.gif laugh.gif

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post Mar 8 2017, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Mar 8 2017, 03:48 PM)
Yeah. I just watched the review for 2017 cx-5.. Man I can say is..... usb port everywhere.  tongue.gif  tongue.gif . There is also air con and backrow.
Yeah, the price hike up another 20k compare previous model. Question is, will that 20k worth it for the remodeling? Understand the engine will be different, but we do not know how's the performance.

Exterior wise, I personally prefer the existing cx-5. Interior I prefer 2017 version.

A lot of people are saying 2.5 is better for SUV. But I really not sure... cause the price difference is like another 20k. It may hike up to 160k. So ya... I will test drive 2.0 and 2.5 to feel the difference this weekend first. If the passanger is just 1 and 1 driver. I do not think there will be lots of differences between.

I try not to overspend on vehicle as need to prepare to buy house.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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i have a cx5 2.0L, been having it the for the past 5 years, honestly 2.0 is sufficient for city and highway driving
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post Mar 8 2017, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Mar 8 2017, 11:22 AM)
Hi Guys, I'm having headache deciding my next SUV. Currently I have narrowed it down to these 3/ What I understand is

Nissan X trail, spacious compare the other 2.
Just release new version on 2016
clip gear mechanism. ( for overtaking purpose )
Reduce noise at high speed
7 seaters
Good Parking System

Mazda CX-5
Better FC compare with the other 2
Have better engine performace ( Speed )

Guys any advice on this as this Saturday I will be going down to these showroom for test drive
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CX-5 obviously is the one..
th FL version do have better NVH compare before, 2.0 is good enough.. but Skyactiv-D is the best but too expensive
sound system in all three, CX5 is the best.. did try both Xtrail n CX-5 before, that center console to control the audio unit is a lot better..

as for ride refinement, Xtrail n CX-5 is similar feel.. maybe because both SUV, a bit on hard side.. so rear passenger comfortable not that good compare CRV

fuel consumption, CX5 not spectacular but good enough if u drive normally even for 2.0 petrol, diesel is the best of course..
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QUOTE(munk3y @ Mar 8 2017, 03:56 PM)
i have a cx5 2.0L, been having it the for the past 5 years, honestly 2.0 is sufficient for city and highway driving
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agree on this.. nod.gif
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post Mar 8 2017, 04:25 PM

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x-trail looks so handsome
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post Mar 8 2017, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(amad108 @ Mar 8 2017, 04:19 PM)
CX-5 obviously is the one..
th FL version do have better NVH compare before, 2.0 is good enough.. but Skyactiv-D is the best but too expensive
sound system in all three, CX5 is the best.. did try both Xtrail n CX-5 before, that center console to control the audio unit is a lot better..

as for ride refinement, Xtrail n CX-5 is similar feel.. maybe because both SUV, a bit on hard side.. so rear passenger comfortable not that good compare CRV

fuel consumption, CX5 not spectacular but good enough if u drive normally even for 2.0 petrol, diesel is the best of course..
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Ok. I will think through it first on whether waiting for 2017 CX-5 or just get the existing 2016 CX-5 and sell off my Saga FL.
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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Mar 8 2017, 03:48 PM)
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A lot of people are saying 2.5 is better for SUV. But I really not sure... cause the price difference is like another 20k. It may hike up to 160k. So ya... I will test drive 2.0 and 2.5 to feel the difference this weekend first. If the passanger is just 1 and 1 driver. I do not think there will be lots of differences between.

I try not to overspend on vehicle as need to prepare to buy house.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(munk3y @ Mar 8 2017, 03:56 PM)
i have a cx5 2.0L, been having it the for the past 5 years, honestly 2.0 is sufficient for city and highway driving
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Well I suppose under powered/sluggish is depending on people's habit. If you're used to slow cars and driving that slow then yeah the 2.0 might be good enough already. There surely is a very noticeable difference between the 2.0 and 2.5ltr versions. Same case with comparing 2.0 vs 2.5 ltr d-segment sedans. Note also the average FC might be worse in the 2.0 as it's an under powered engine forced to push such a heavy car. IMHO if you just want to settle with 2.0 NA engines, then better just buy smaller cheaper SUV like Subaru XV or something.

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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Mar 8 2017, 05:06 PM)
Ok. I will think through it first on whether waiting for 2017 CX-5 or just get the existing 2016 CX-5 and sell off my Saga FL.
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If you like more stylish futuristic design and extra gadgets, wait for new CX5. If you prefer conventional solid design that is nice, go for current CX5. C-segment SUV, 2.0L is adequate to pull around as long as it has descent strong torque engine coupled with strong 6AT gearbox.

New CX5, if they could get the CKD early it should be rm145_15xk range for 2.0L. Mazda look at Malaysia as its job to cater for ASEAN market, they might bring in at faster pace.
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Mar 8 2017, 07:10 PM)
Well I suppose under powered/sluggish is depending on people's habit. If you're used to slow cars and driving that slow then yeah the 2.0 might be good enough already. There surely is a very noticeable difference between the 2.0 and 2.5ltr versions. Same case with comparing 2.0 vs 2.5 ltr d-segment sedans. Note also the average FC might be worse in the 2.0 as it's an under powered engine forced to push such a heavy car. IMHO if you just want to settle with 2.0 NA engines, then better just buy smaller cheaper SUV like Subaru XV or something.
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The SUV I'm getting is more on spacious and family car. That's why I'm looking at mid size SUV as mini SUV like HRV, Subaru SV, and even Toyota upcoming CHR will not cater much for my needs. My brother in law is driving Innova 2.0 right now with 5 people in the seat. But I do not see so much issue underpower, and his FC is quite fine. His driving style is quite fine as well.

QUOTE(jayraptor @ Mar 8 2017, 10:02 PM)
If you like more stylish futuristic design and extra gadgets, wait for new CX5. If you prefer conventional solid design that is nice, go for current CX5. C-segment SUV, 2.0L is adequate to pull around as long as it has descent strong torque engine coupled with strong 6AT gearbox.

New CX5, if they could get the CKD early it should be rm145_15xk range for 2.0L. Mazda look at Malaysia as its job to cater for ASEAN market, they might bring in at faster pace.
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Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing. It's impossible for Mazda to have 2017 empty without any new released. Or else they will be out of market easily. I'm hoping it can arrive around Q3 2017. The timing will be just right. Extra Gadgets are nice, but you know. Tech keeps involving, nobody use USB2.0 already. Even they implemented USB3.0. 10 years down the road, USB might be even obselete. So it was just like a...... Gimmick.

But the best things of the 2017 version I saw is the improvement of the quietness during driving. They claim it was 20km/h slower in getting the noise comparing with 2016. This is something I'm looking forward, as well as the Diesel version, but I worried Malaysia Diesel is a bit.... ahem.... might spoil the car. So we will see how it goes.

Anyway, thanks everyone for the feedback. I think I will wait for the CX-5 2017 version released then I will only sell my Proton Saga FL. But this weekend I will still go for test drive at Mazda, Nissan, & Toyota. Hoping I can concrete my current decision.

This post has been edited by Jet23sky: Mar 9 2017, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Mar 8 2017, 07:10 PM)
Well I suppose under powered/sluggish is depending on people's habit. If you're used to slow cars and driving that slow then yeah the 2.0 might be good enough already. There surely is a very noticeable difference between the 2.0 and 2.5ltr versions. Same case with comparing 2.0 vs 2.5 ltr d-segment sedans. Note also the average FC might be worse in the 2.0 as it's an under powered engine forced to push such a heavy car. IMHO if you just want to settle with 2.0 NA engines, then better just buy smaller cheaper SUV like Subaru XV or something.
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2.0 NA rubbish engine to push heavy car + full load passengers = bad fuel consumption, better pick 2.2 sky-activ D 2.2 engine, BTW diesel engine more durable than gasoline engine, more better FC as well and engine much last longer lasting up to 7 years, peace of mind and can use rest of money to buy house. biggrin.gif
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Seems like no one comparing 2017 cx5 and crv?
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QUOTE(houseman @ Mar 9 2017, 08:54 AM)
Seems like no one comparing 2017 cx5 and crv?
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Cause i opted out Honda in my list due to family reason. XD

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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Mar 9 2017, 08:43 AM)
The SUV I'm getting is more on spacious and family car. That's why I'm looking at mid size SUV as mini SUV like HRV, Subaru SV, and even Toyota upcoming CHR will not cater much for my needs. My brother in law is driving Innova 2.0 right now with 5 people in the seat. But I do not see so much issue underpower, and his FC is quite fine. His driving style is quite fine as well.
Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing. It's impossible for Mazda to have 2017 empty without any new released. Or else they will be out of market easily. I'm hoping it can arrive around Q3 2017. The timing will be just right. Extra Gadgets are nice, but you know. Tech keeps involving, nobody use USB2.0 already. Even they implemented USB3.0. 10 years down the road, USB might be even obselete. So it was just like a...... Gimmick.

But the best things of the 2017 version I saw is the improvement of the quietness during driving. They claim it was 20km/h slower in getting the noise comparing with 2016. This is something I'm looking forward, as well as the Diesel version, but I worried Malaysia Diesel is a bit.... ahem.... might spoil the car. So we will see how it goes.

Anyway, thanks everyone for the feedback. I think I will wait for the CX-5 2017 version released then I will only sell my Proton Saga FL. But this weekend I will still go for test drive at Mazda, Nissan, & Toyota. Hoping I can concrete my current decision.
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Diesel engine is fine use in Malaysia, even more reliable than gasoline one, gasoline NA engine is better in small car like saga, myvi, axia... (1500cc and below) bigger car like suv, mpv better pick diesel turbocharged engine, Toyota and Nissan diesel engine is excellent too, but their bigger size vehicle with gasoline is terrible fuel consumption and very underpower. (Except 3500 cc and above, but don't dream good FC, power and torque is nice) That's my driving experience. thumbup.gif
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For diesel , you won't know until you try it out the difference it makes when driving .

Yeah 2.0 the car still move bla bla but the diesel does it a lot more relaxed , if you do a lot of long drives , you will find at the end of the trip a lot less tired

And the car feels a lot smaller because there's enough torque to zip in and out

As long you use euro5 diesel , won't have any problems but Mazda did test already with euro2 for over 3 years with a company car Mazda 6 , no issues and that's why they pushed ahead with diesel models
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Mar 9 2017, 09:24 AM)
For diesel , you won't know until you try it out the difference it makes when driving .

Yeah 2.0 the car still move bla bla but the diesel does it a lot more relaxed , if you do a lot of long drives , you will find at the end of the trip a lot less tired

And the car feels a lot smaller because there's enough torque to zip in and out

As long you use euro5 diesel , won't have any problems but Mazda did test already with euro2 for over 3 years with a company car Mazda 6 , no issues and that's why they pushed ahead with diesel models
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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Mar 9 2017, 08:43 AM)
The SUV I'm getting is more on spacious and family car. That's why I'm looking at mid size SUV as mini SUV like HRV, Subaru SV, and even Toyota upcoming CHR will not cater much for my needs. My brother in law is driving Innova 2.0 right now with 5 people in the seat. But I do not see so much issue underpower, and his FC is quite fine. His driving style is quite fine as well.
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Well like I said that means you and your brother are just used to driving slow in under powered heavy cars. If like me, even a 2.5 ltr d-segment sedan with more than 200hp now feels slow already! laugh.gif Few days ago I drove my friend's 2.0 Lancer GT also felt very sluggish, no oomph whatsoever. I cannot imagine if driving such big SUV with also similar power to the Lancer GT but much heavier body would feel like, I'd probably fall asleep in it! biggrin.gif Same like driving my wife's 1.6ltr Livina. Innova FC is usually not good btw. Never mind, just test drive all versions first. If you're still fine with the sluggish 2.0 then just go ahead.

QUOTE(Harold2009 @ Mar 9 2017, 08:54 AM)
2.0 NA rubbish engine to push heavy car + full load passengers = bad fuel consumption, better pick 2.2 sky-activ D 2.2 engine, BTW diesel engine more durable than gasoline engine, more better FC as well and engine much last longer lasting up to 7 years, peace of mind and can use rest of money to buy house.  biggrin.gif
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Yup diesel surely will have better pick up and feel more powerful due to fatter torque at low rpm but will soon run out of breath as it cannot rev high, but that's fine for SUV or pick up truck type of car. At least still much better than the puny 2.0 NA. Such 2.0 NA engines only suitable for C segment cars.
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Mar 9 2017, 10:37 AM)
Well like I said that means you and your brother are just used to driving slow in under powered heavy cars. If like me, even a 2.5 ltr d-segment sedan with more than 200hp now feels slow already! laugh.gif Few days ago I drove my friend's 2.0 Lancer GT also felt very sluggish, no oomph whatsoever. I cannot imagine if driving such big SUV with also similar power to the Lancer GT but much heavier body would feel like, I'd probably fall asleep in it!  biggrin.gif Same like driving my wife's 1.6ltr Livina. Innova FC is usually not good btw. Never mind, just test drive all versions first. If you're still fine with the sluggish 2.0 then just go ahead.
Yup diesel surely will have better pick up and feel more powerful due to fatter torque at low rpm but will soon run out of breath as it cannot rev high, but that's fine for SUV or pick up truck type of car. At least still much better than the puny 2.0 NA. Such 2.0 NA engines only suitable for C segment cars.
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That's why diesel demand 7th and 8th gears comes to play, imagine 8th gear 2000 rpm already 160km/h, plus install performance chip will became different story and demon will unleashed! devil.gif Wide range gears ratio is very good in many different driving conditions. whistling.gif BTW high rev = high fuel consumption. shakehead.gif and for me 140 km/h speed is more than enough for my daily driving. whistling.gif
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If money not an issues porsche cayenne. Since most people here recommend to go for a higher priced car like a retarded anyway 😂

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