As a pc enthusiast, you can't always stick to dram / dram-less

There's a lot of nvme m.2 ssd gen3 / gen4

That means you dont have a point then. And you dont understand what SSD DRAM does. Its not just the mapping table that HMB do. Go read up some more.

Hello All,

My cpu and mobo just got fried, not sure why :'l. 5900x and X570 Aurous Master. Sadge. Will try to RMA the cpu but in the meantime looking for replacement.

Current setup that will be reused :

32GB DDR4 RAM
RTX 2070
650W EVGA Supernova Gold+
360mm AIO
SSDs and all peripherals.

I'm also looking to upgrade my gpu to handle some light 4K gaming on my 4K TV and sell the 2070 and upgrade the gpu too.

Is RM6-7k for mobo,cpu, gpu and psu reasonable? Is it worth to ditch my ddr4 Rams and switch to am5?

*edit- forgot to add purpose*
Games like Cyberpunk 2077, Assasins Creed franchise, other AAA single player games, Path of Exile, CS2, Valorant etc2..
Would also like to try to have a stream capable setup if possible.


Thank you.

This post has been edited by rave_merah: Dec 30 2023, 07:05 PM

Yes your the OG proponent of DRAMless SSD here. And many sifus have educated you on the cons of using such for OS boot drive. Looks like you got an equally clueless friend.

If want to give reco & advice, do it responsibly not give crap specs.

If change CPU & mobo you got 2 main choices; stick with AMD AM4 or go Intel DDR4

If you can RMA the CPU (& mobo), I suggest stick to AMD. Get a temp that you can resell/reuse later. Perhaps R 5600 + MSI B550-VDH mobo

If want all new AM4, 5800X3D + MSI X570 mobo

If sien of AMD then why not switchover to Intel? 14700K + MSI PRO Z790-P DDR4

Full switchover to DDR5 4K gaming system? Need about 8-9k at least since just about everything need to change.

To handle 4K gaming, need at least 4070TI / 7800XT (for 60FPS) to 4080 / 7900XT (100FPS above) + at least Atier 850W PSU

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Dec 30 2023, 07:19 PM

Okay, you win

So, how many nvme m.2 you using now??

What if i keep my gpu and and psu, but switch to ddr5 parts (will save up up again to upgrade next year). What parts would you recommend? Is the upgrade to ddr5 now worth it? Personally, still would like to stick to AMD. . But not sure if Intel is the way to go now?

HMB already allows the controller to access preserved part of the DRAM attached to your CPU, to act as it's DRAM.
Some DRAM-less design, like WD Blue or Phison PS3111-S11 do come with a small amount SRAM to store the metadata table instead of thrashing the data. That is fixed since the algorithm ran in the controller has deterministic in terms of space complexity, i.e. 128GB of space has 16MB of metadata.

To add things into complexity, HMB only lets SSD controller to get an amount of RAM attached to your CPU, and it is up to the controller to store data it wants into that portion. The data structure & algorithm comes into place. With this layer, it can request size like 1GB and use it like a SSD with DRAM, but usually it is overkill. You only see they request like 32MB-64MB in real life, reason being :
- Windows does have write caching, which still writes the data into RAM first and flush it to the drive asynchronously in background
- SSD controller receives write request, it can first buffer the data in the HMB portion but this is useless since the data is already in RAM anyway (refer to the earlier step, but this can work if the OS doesn't work that way)

Next...
- SSD controller writes the data to SLC cache if it is not full yet, then only back off to TLC mode (where the speed starts dipping)
- Throughout this process, the SRAM or HMB portion of cached metadata can be used in searching the empty page / updating the metadata
- Periodically / every X round of writes / by strategy (i.e. LRU, FIFO, weighted access or some kind of smart AI you name it), the metadata will be flushed back to the NAND flash for persistent storage.

Here is an IEEE paper that shows it is entirely possible for using HMB as both metadata table and data cache, and what's stopping controller firmware engineer from implementing this? One of the author was from Samsung memory. Your "drive swap" problem is now solved.
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp...rnumber=8868151

It is too early (late, for now) to conclude that every single DRAM-less design is evil when you have so many things that come into play in the Write amplication ratio, which is the term that you didn't even mention in your post.

To add salt to the injury, WD offers both SN570/SN580 and SN850X 5 years warranty and rated them at the same TBW, so this clearly goes against what you mentioned about the shorter warranty thingy.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Dec 30 2023, 08:25 PM

When there is Cyberpunk 2077. Even RTX 4090 is not good enough to max it at 4k. Wait for 4070 Ti Super or 4080 Super next month and watch the prices.

Not quite...

Major Aib gpu brand still in wait & see status

Not so early for the launch

Hello all, thanks for the suggestions so far. Currently I have this down in my draft and would appreciate any feedback:

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Processor
GIGABYTE B650 AORUS Elite AX Motherboard
DeepCool AK500 Air Cooler
CORSAIR VENGEANCE DDR5 RAM 32GB 6000MHz
Sapphire Nitro + AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT 16GB
Kingston NV2 PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 NVME SSD 2TB
DeepCool PK750D 750W PSU
LianLi 205 MESH
Total: ~7.6k

Any comments that you guys may have are well appreciated. Thanks all

There r better option..
1. Shitty SSD
2. C4 Grade PSU brand
3. 1 of the worse Lian li.. Lian li 215 216 tambah sikit
4. Cacat cpu cooler for Ur processor

Open for quotation?

Wan to check how many m.2 I claim? Tat more fun

mostly, 'Samseng'

My intel 520 120gb bought from ph & co, e-gate

lasted since 2012

I would swap to a better Deepcool AK620 cooler, slightly better casing and Kingston KC3000 NVME

I basically have the same spec as your set up. 7800x3D with AK620 with a good casing with many fans can game at around 60 to 70 Celsius.

Cheers.

This post has been edited by AthrunIJ: Dec 31 2023, 10:30 AM

Adata.. almost 100% claim.. haha.. Corsair n Kingston still good rate.. Samsung made in communist 1 really shit

Thanks all for comments. Relooked my draft and currently have this in mind. (changes in bold)

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Processor
GIGABYTE B650 AORUS Elite AX Motherboard
DeepCool AK620 Air Cooler
CORSAIR VENGEANCE DDR5 RAM 32GB 6000MHz
Sapphire Nitro + AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT 16GB
Kingston KC3000 PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 NVME SSD 2TB
Cooler Master MWE GOLD 750W V2
LianLi 216
Total: ~8.2k

How is this looking?

i thought A-data is a taiwanese brand


how about these 'cap ayam' ssd??

Samsung the samseng

Dare not touch lexar this... Controller macam xpg...not confirm 1

Tat y I ask.. u opened for quotation or not . Or u wan to build urself