Too many anecdotes in the internet you can search yourself. There are reasons why sifus here reco only SSDs with DRAM but if you think otherwise its up to you.

I had SSD fail on me but for other reasons tho.

Just share something to support your statement, don't run away

Hello, thank you all for the recommendations and feedback. I kinda have a list of parts to get for the PC, what do you all think about it?

Ryzen 5 5600
MSI B550M Pro-VDF Wifi
Asrock RX 6600 Challenger D White
ADATA XPG Spectrix D35G 8GB DDR4 3200 MHz x2 (want to get from the same shop, else would have gotten the Colorful Guardian)
KC3000 1TB
FSP HV Pro 650W
Tecware Forge M Omni Snow White

Lazy to cari now. If you want later i find. Anyone knows me knows I alwiz back up what I wrote with facts/link

Its a decent system for the money if your getting someone to build & setup for you. If your doing it yourself, might run into Ryzen quirks. YMMV

Is this something that the newer Ryzen parts have? I built a Ryzen set up like 5-6 years back and it was quite smooth.. not sure if I'm just lucky though haha

AM4 is reaching end of life now, it is already much better than the initial launch.

Not sure as I dont have AMD myself but heard a lot of issues from forumers here and seeing the umpteen number of Agesa Bios updates is just weird.

Then again I also saw a lot of Western PCers using Ryzens, so as I said YMMV. So to err with caution I usually suggest new builders to stay away from AMD stuff unless got some troubleshooting knowledge. If you done this before, then going Ryzen isnt too bad.

Newer 7000 Ryzens have different issues but no less frequent (amongst others; still ongoing high idle power usage which 3 Agesa updates said to fix but Toms disputes that).

WD here usually got pricing issue. Stupid Nonsense SSD.

1.1 sale also coming. Could be the last chance of buying good SSDs.

This post has been edited by TristanX: Dec 29 2023, 05:52 PM

still plenty around in the market

aim higher..

2tb ~ 4tb capacity

Having built quite an amount of AM4 machines, as long as you don't push the out-of-spec stuffs to the limit (i.e. running XMP, undervolting), you don't really run into much troubles.

Comparing the Blue with those QLC or part-swapping models, it is surprisingly acceptable to pay a little extra for transparency. The performance is top among DRAM-less segment as well.

Sadly, Kingston KC3000 has been cannibalizing their sales for a long time. Either same or cheaper price. Got big price hike recently.

1.1 might be the last chance before you won't see cheap prices for a while. DRAM and SSD price going up.

what if, current old batch of KC3000 / 512gb / 1tb sold out..
take what? KC2000? KC2500? A2000?


P/s, above pricing is just for reference

This post has been edited by adamtayy: Dec 30 2023, 09:16 AM

See here.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27...2gT4/edit#gid=0

Hunt for good prices.

this 1, can?

Old model. Pricing issue too.

Alrighty, I promised you links and here it is same results spanning from consumer, enterprise, the OEM themselves, even software companies

From enterprise storage forum
https://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/hard...0web%20browsing.
"Best for Longevity: DRAM SSDs
SSDs with DRAM use wear-leveling—a process programmed into flash devices that maximizes efficient usage of the memory blocks—that prolongs the life of the device by minimizing wear and tear from constant usage by applying the Program and Erase (P/E) cycles evenly across all blocks. (A typical block can withstand about 100,000 P/E cycles.) Without wear-leveling, DRAM-less SSDs risk overusing blocks that can shorten the lifespan of the drive."

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/..._ssd_with_dram/
"For a boot drive I wouldn't do without it. As the dram cache takes the brunt of the writes. Ok. So windows is constantly doing things to your storage, not all of which are particularly longlasting. With a dram cache, many of those things happen there, to a piece of hardware designed to have things happen to it quickly many many times. Without that cache, those things get spread randomly across your ssd, and the controller has to hunt for the results in more places, and the other parts of your SSD aren't meant to be written to as many times as the dram cache is. Which wears the drive out faster."

https://insights.samsung.com/2021/06/25/dra...rent-after-all/
"The life span
Most SSD life spans are based on the number of times a memory cell is written over. Traditionally, there’s a significant difference in life span between DRAM-less SSDs and SSDs with DRAM because when the CPU constantly has to go back to the NAND flash memory, it’s putting wear onto the drive in the form of additional data that’s written, rewritten and accessed over and over. This can decrease the life of the drive, and it’s also why many manufacturers offer only a three-year warranty on DRAM-less SSDs, as opposed to the standard five-year warranty that comes with SSDs featuring DRAM."

https://www.partitionwizard.com/clone-disk/...m-less-ssd.html
"DRAM SSD vs DRAM-less SSD: Lifespan
When you observe your DRAM or DRAM-less SSD, you may find that there’s a warranty on it. Most DRAM-less SSDs offer a 3-year warranty, while DRAM SSDs from reputed brands provide up to a 5-year warranty. DRAM-less drives store the data map directly to the NAND flash, causing more wear and tear on memory cells. This significantly reduces the lifespan of the SSD.
DRAM SSDs use wear-leveling that prolongs the lifespan of the hard disk by minimizing wear and tear from constant usage by applying the Program and Erase (P/E) cycles evenly across all blocks."

Now show me your source and dont run away ya

buy 2 pieces / same model

Can do raid 0

You missed the point.

You articles only talk about scenario where the SSD is indeed without DRAM to work with. HMB allows the SSD to have DRAM to work with, except they are borrowed from your CPU.

Nope. Phased out models but still overprice as they not reduce to match cheaper Gen3 SSDs. Go for alternatives as Phison stuff are overpriced.

KLEV CRAS C930 Gen4 1TB still got RM 399