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post Jun 28 2017, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(littlerainbow2016 @ Jun 28 2017, 03:48 PM)
Thanks for the feedback lifebalance and roysteveung.

Yes, budget is the main concern here as my spouse and I are already spending almost RM700 a month in total on our own insurance policies.

Which is why was considering on whether to wait for another year or so before buying as currently already covered by employers insurance. By then some loans would have already been cleared which makes it less taxing on the pocket.
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No worries you shouldn't rush into buying any insurance policy if you feel that you are already heavily in-debt with no leg room to move further even for small budgets.

Make sure you're financially stable as an insurance policy is a long term commitment. So make sure you're able to afford your insurance policy before committing into one.
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post Jun 28 2017, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(lamode @ Jun 28 2017, 11:17 AM)
while searching for pure medical card without investment & other protections, i found out few of the mainstream companies do not have such product, all of them are investment linked / compulsory to take up some sort of life insurance.  doh.gif  cry.gif

for what is worth mention is that BNM has enforced an initiative for Direct Distribution Channels for pure protection products, directly from the insurer without commission paid to intermediaries (agents) and possibly lower cost to consumer. such products are expected to be available 1 jan 2018 rclxms.gif  biggrin.gif
i believe this is gonna be similar initiative introduced years ago, for 10% discount on premium for renewal of motor insurance online with insurance company directly.

few areas that i think worth to highlight is clause 5.2, 7.2, 8.1 and 8.2  smile.gif
http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=57&pg=140&ac=536&bb=file

so are looking for pure med card, and can afford to wait another half a year for lower premium, then this probably a good option to consider.
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To answer your question, all major insurance company do offer standalone medical product.
Things is the market trend now is saving or investment, most agent wont quote you on that.
Generally it cost around RM70 a month if you are below 30, after that it might increase.

Cheers smile.gif

QUOTE(littlerainbow2016 @ Jun 28 2017, 03:48 PM)
Thanks for the feedback lifebalance and roysteveung.

Yes, budget is the main concern here as my spouse and I are already spending almost RM700 a month in total on our own insurance policies.

Which is why was considering on whether to wait for another year or so before buying as currently already covered by employers insurance. By then some loans would have already been cleared which makes it less taxing on the pocket.
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Is more about the protection rather than payment.
Normally I practice 10% income for imsurance, in exchange for 10 years income protection, means you make 100k yearly, you have 1 mil cover.

Balance both and youwill be fine.

Most people think if I need to double my cover do I need to double my payment.
Unfortunetely that is not very true.

If you think you pay too much for insurance premium, ask your agent to discuss how to reduce payment without reduce cover.

Cheers smile.gif
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post Jun 28 2017, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(ngks @ Jun 28 2017, 04:08 PM)

Is more about the protection rather than payment.
Normally I practice 10% income for imsurance, in exchange for 10 years income protection, means you make 100k yearly, you have 1 mil cover.

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Using your illustration, when you mean 1mil cover for an individual who earns 100k per annum, does your 1mil cover refers to total sum assured for the life component?
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post Jun 28 2017, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(ngks @ Jun 28 2017, 04:08 PM)
To answer your question, all major insurance company do offer standalone medical product.
Things is the market trend now is saving or investment, most agent wont quote you on that.
Generally it cost around RM70 a month if you are below 30, after that it might increase.

Cheers  smile.gif
Is more about the protection rather than payment.
Normally I practice 10% income for imsurance, in exchange for 10 years income protection, means you make 100k yearly, you have 1 mil cover.

Balance both and youwill be fine.

Most people think if I need to double my cover do I need to double my payment.
Unfortunetely that is not very true.

If you think you pay too much for insurance premium, ask your agent to discuss how to reduce payment without reduce cover.

Cheers smile.gif
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mind to pm me contact that i can get standalone med product from top 4?
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post Jun 28 2017, 05:35 PM

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Hi,

Currently I am paying insurance+med card for myself (RM170), for my daughter (RM100) and life insurance to cover my mortgage loan (RM200) while my wife is paying by herself. Now we got new baby and I'm thinking to get one for him.

Any suggestion? Is there family package that can cover all of us?
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post Jun 28 2017, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(littlerainbow2016 @ Jun 28 2017, 04:56 PM)
Using your illustration, when you mean 1mil cover for an individual who earns 100k per annum, does your 1mil cover refers to total sum assured for the life component?
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the rule of thumb for a person should cover for sum assured should be 10x of his annual income.

In this case, earning RM100k per annum should cover atleast RM1 mil.

Note this amount should not include after deducting all expenses and liabilities.

QUOTE(potenza10 @ Jun 28 2017, 05:35 PM)
Hi,

Currently I am paying insurance+med card for myself (RM170), for my daughter (RM100) and life insurance to cover my mortgage loan (RM200) while my wife is paying by herself. Now we got new baby and I'm thinking to get one for him.

Any suggestion? Is there family package that can cover all of us?
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There are family plans that cover 2 adult + 4 kids in the market that you can look around.
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post Jun 29 2017, 04:38 PM

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Ok sifus, need your opinion on my current plan from Prudential. Does the premium seem a bit high for this plan? It's an investment linked plan and I've had it since 1999.

Monthly premium RM224
PRUlink assurance account RM 120,000
Crisis Cover Benefit RM 120,000
Personal Accident Benefit RM 40,000
PRUdisability provider Benefit RM 8,000 per annum
PRUmajor med 2 Benefit RM 200 (Room & Board)


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post Jun 29 2017, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(subaiku @ Jun 29 2017, 04:38 PM)
Ok sifus, need your opinion on my current plan from Prudential. Does the premium seem a bit high for this plan? It's an investment linked plan and I've had it since 1999.

Monthly premium RM224
PRUlink assurance account RM 120,000
Crisis Cover Benefit RM 120,000
Personal Accident Benefit RM 40,000
PRUdisability provider Benefit RM 8,000 per annum
PRUmajor med 2 Benefit RM 200 (Room & Board)
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We can't really evaluate a policy like this. It's better to do a proper policy review and find out from there because no one knows what's your current financial background and lifestyle.
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post Jun 29 2017, 10:52 PM

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To confirm- the perks in having CI coverage is that once the policyholder is hit with 1 of the CIs covered, the policyholder is paid in full (of the sum assured), whilst not impacting on the policyholder's annual limit/lifetime limit.

Is my understanding correct?
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post Jun 29 2017, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(watabakiu @ Jun 29 2017, 10:52 PM)
To confirm- the perks in having CI coverage is that once the policyholder is hit with 1 of the CIs covered, the policyholder is paid in full (of the sum assured), whilst not impacting on the policyholder's annual limit/lifetime limit.

Is my understanding correct?
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That will be incorrect

The critical illness coverage rices along the death/TPD sum assured thus it will accelerate the death claim amount as critical illness

Unless you purchase early critically illness or multi critical illness which will not accelerate the death sum assured amount.
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QUOTE(watabakiu @ Jun 29 2017, 10:52 PM)
To confirm- the perks in having CI coverage is that once the policyholder is hit with 1 of the CIs covered, the policyholder is paid in full (of the sum assured), whilst not impacting on the policyholder's annual limit/lifetime limit.

Is my understanding correct?
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jun 29 2017, 10:59 PM)
That will be incorrect

The critical illness coverage rices along the death/TPD sum assured thus it will accelerate the death claim amount as critical illness

Unless you purchase early critically illness or multi critical illness which will not accelerate the death sum assured amount.
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Thank you for concurring. To further elaborate on my earlier question and your response--

CI payables is meant to give lump sum payment to the insured, and that it does impact the annual/ lifetime limit. So, does it mean:

1) Once CI is paid for one of the illnesses, the CI portion in the insurance is gone (i.e. no further payments to be honored for the next CI)?
1a) Not sure what accelerate death claim means. But does it mean that no death claim is to be paid once the policyholder has gone kaput?
2) Will it then decrease the subsequent premium payments (disregarding the increase of COI y-o-y), as the CI portion is no more?
3) CI =/= TPD per se, as CI covers for Critical Illnesses, whereas TPD is for lost of limbs. Is this correct?
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post Jun 30 2017, 01:57 AM

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QUOTE(watabakiu @ Jun 29 2017, 10:52 PM)
To confirm- the perks benefit in having CI coverage is that once the policyholder is hit with 1 of the CIs covered, the policyholder is paid in full (of the sum assured of the CI coverage), whilst not impacting on the policyholder's annual limit/lifetime limit.

Is my understanding correct?
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post Jun 30 2017, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(subaiku @ Jun 29 2017, 04:38 PM)
Ok sifus, need your opinion on my current plan from Prudential. Does the premium seem a bit high for this plan? It's an investment linked plan and I've had it since 1999.

Monthly premium RM224
PRUlink assurance account RM 120,000
Crisis Cover Benefit RM 120,000
Personal Accident Benefit RM 40,000
PRUdisability provider Benefit RM 8,000 per annum
PRUmajor med 2 Benefit RM 200 (Room & Board)
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I think it's best to do a proper review with your life planner and analyse from there. It's best to take all the factors into account, such as your age, current situation, existing health situation etc. Getting a comparison between this and "product XYZ" might not give you a suitable answer.

QUOTE(watabakiu @ Jun 29 2017, 10:52 PM)
To confirm- the perks in having CI coverage is that once the policyholder is hit with 1 of the CIs covered, the policyholder is paid in full (of the sum assured), whilst not impacting on the policyholder's annual limit/lifetime limit.

Is my understanding correct?
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Yes, the CI coverage will be paid on the diagnosis of the CI. The annual limit/lifetime limit of the medical card won't be affected. The sum assured (life/TPD) however may or may not be reduced, depending on the details of your policy. If unclear, always refer to the details in your policy, as that's the contract that you've purchased.


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post Jun 30 2017, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(watabakiu @ Jun 30 2017, 01:00 AM)
Thank you for concurring. To further elaborate on my earlier question and your response--

CI payables is meant to give lump sum payment to the insured, and that it does impact the annual/ lifetime limit. So, does it mean:

1) Once CI is paid for one of the illnesses, the CI portion in the insurance is gone (i.e. no further payments to be honored for the next CI)?
  1a) Not sure what accelerate death claim means. But does it mean that no death claim is to be paid once the policyholder has gone kaput?
2) Will it then decrease the subsequent premium payments (disregarding the increase of COI y-o-y), as the CI portion is no more?
3) CI =/= TPD per se, as CI covers for Critical Illnesses, whereas TPD is for lost of limbs. Is this correct?
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1. Yes correct

1a. Yes correct unless CI coverage lower than death sum assured or its a multi CI / early CI coverage

2. Yes correct

3. Yes correct
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post Jun 30 2017, 08:22 PM

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AIA offers a certain lifetime limit (eg RM 750, 000 for R&B plan of 150) for claim under outpatient cancer treatment. Just wondering after exhausting this lifetime limit, is one allowed to claim under the plan's annual limit for outpatient cancer treatment?
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QUOTE(Jason2 @ Jun 30 2017, 08:22 PM)
AIA offers a certain lifetime limit (eg RM 750, 000 for R&B plan of 150) for claim under outpatient cancer treatment. Just wondering after exhausting this lifetime limit, is one allowed to claim under the plan's annual limit for outpatient cancer treatment?
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Not for outpatient purpose once the limit is fully utilised. It will only be claimable if it's inpatient.
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jun 30 2017, 08:28 PM)
Not for outpatient purpose once the limit is fully utilised. It will only be claimable if it's inpatient.
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Thanks for the reply lifebalance. Guess it is good that I double checked here - I was told by the agent that the usual annual limit can be used for outpatient cancer treatment upon depletion of this limit 😰 thanks!
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QUOTE(Jason2 @ Jul 1 2017, 04:17 PM)
Thanks for the reply lifebalance. Guess it is good that I double checked here -  I was told by the agent that the usual annual limit can be used for outpatient cancer treatment upon depletion of this limit 😰 thanks!
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post Jul 1 2017, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(Jason2 @ Jul 1 2017, 04:17 PM)
Thanks for the reply lifebalance. Guess it is good that I double checked here -  I was told by the agent that the usual annual limit can be used for outpatient cancer treatment upon depletion of this limit 😰 thanks!
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No problem, you can alway ask me questions over here. =)
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post Jul 4 2017, 04:52 PM

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Anyone familiar with Great Eastern Investment Link - Smart Protect Essential 2 which includes:
1) Smart Medic Xtra SMX150 which gives a 90k Annual Limit, No lifetime limit

plus

2) Smart Extender which gives RM900k Annual Limit, No lifetime limit.

According to the agent, the Smart Extender has a 90k deductible which actually uses from the Smart Medic Xtra annual limit. Meaning you actually get RM990k Annual Limit with No Life Time Limit.

Room rate is only RM150, but the premium per month is only around RM270 which is really cheap for a RM990k annual limit with no life time limit.
Includes premium waiver and early CI payout.

My current policy with AIA is catered more to investment side but only gives RM120k annual limit with no life time limit, no premium waiver and no early CI. Premium per month is also around RM270.

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