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post Jun 28 2017, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(lamode @ Jun 28 2017, 11:17 AM)
while searching for pure medical card without investment & other protections, i found out few of the mainstream companies do not have such product, all of them are investment linked / compulsory to take up some sort of life insurance.  doh.gif  cry.gif

for what is worth mention is that BNM has enforced an initiative for Direct Distribution Channels for pure protection products, directly from the insurer without commission paid to intermediaries (agents) and possibly lower cost to consumer. such products are expected to be available 1 jan 2018 rclxms.gif  biggrin.gif
i believe this is gonna be similar initiative introduced years ago, for 10% discount on premium for renewal of motor insurance online with insurance company directly.

few areas that i think worth to highlight is clause 5.2, 7.2, 8.1 and 8.2  smile.gif
http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=57&pg=140&ac=536&bb=file

so are looking for pure med card, and can afford to wait another half a year for lower premium, then this probably a good option to consider.
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To answer your question, all major insurance company do offer standalone medical product.
Things is the market trend now is saving or investment, most agent wont quote you on that.
Generally it cost around RM70 a month if you are below 30, after that it might increase.

Cheers smile.gif

QUOTE(littlerainbow2016 @ Jun 28 2017, 03:48 PM)
Thanks for the feedback lifebalance and roysteveung.

Yes, budget is the main concern here as my spouse and I are already spending almost RM700 a month in total on our own insurance policies.

Which is why was considering on whether to wait for another year or so before buying as currently already covered by employers insurance. By then some loans would have already been cleared which makes it less taxing on the pocket.
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Is more about the protection rather than payment.
Normally I practice 10% income for imsurance, in exchange for 10 years income protection, means you make 100k yearly, you have 1 mil cover.

Balance both and youwill be fine.

Most people think if I need to double my cover do I need to double my payment.
Unfortunetely that is not very true.

If you think you pay too much for insurance premium, ask your agent to discuss how to reduce payment without reduce cover.

Cheers smile.gif
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post Jul 12 2017, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(littlerainbow2016 @ Jun 28 2017, 04:56 PM)
Using your illustration, when you mean 1mil cover for an individual who earns 100k per annum, does your 1mil cover refers to total sum assured for the life component?
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Yes, I mean that. In that case if you lost your ability to generate income, you still have 10 years of reserve.
Or just put in fixed deposit to earn interest.
If 4% interest you still can earn 40k per annual

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post Jul 12 2017, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(subaiku @ Jun 29 2017, 04:38 PM)
Ok sifus, need your opinion on my current plan from Prudential. Does the premium seem a bit high for this plan? It's an investment linked plan and I've had it since 1999.

Monthly premium RM224
PRUlink assurance account RM 120,000
Crisis Cover Benefit RM 120,000
Personal Accident Benefit RM 40,000
PRUdisability provider Benefit RM 8,000 per annum
PRUmajor med 2 Benefit RM 200 (Room & Board)
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Is a bit hard to tell if this too expensive or cheap.
1st need to evaluate what you need, eg like how much you need when you can't work.
Need a proper planning only can tell.

*If one insurance company have overprice plan, how can still they have million of customer?
Summary is that depend on your needs, and agent help to plan

QUOTE(potenza10 @ Jun 28 2017, 05:35 PM)
Hi,

Currently I am paying insurance+med card for myself (RM170), for my daughter (RM100) and life insurance to cover my mortgage loan (RM200) while my wife is paying by herself. Now we got new baby and I'm thinking to get one for him.

Any suggestion? Is there family package that can cover all of us?
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Family package normally you have 4 child and above then worth it.
But if up to me would suggest go independent.

Example if you have family package but suddenly one of your family member need upgrade a better medical plan, that would be a little difficult.

QUOTE(Jason2 @ Jun 30 2017, 08:22 PM)
AIA offers a certain lifetime limit (eg RM 750, 000 for R&B plan of 150) for claim under outpatient cancer treatment. Just wondering after exhausting this lifetime limit, is one allowed to claim under the plan's annual limit for outpatient cancer treatment?
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As my understanding that would be no.

QUOTE(Lego Warfare @ Jul 4 2017, 04:52 PM)
Anyone familiar with Great Eastern Investment Link - Smart Protect Essential 2 which includes:
1) Smart Medic Xtra SMX150 which gives a 90k Annual Limit, No lifetime limit

plus

2) Smart Extender which gives RM900k Annual Limit, No lifetime limit.

According to the agent, the Smart Extender has a 90k deductible which actually uses from the Smart Medic Xtra annual limit. Meaning you actually get RM990k Annual Limit with No Life Time Limit.

Room rate is only RM150, but the premium per month is only around RM270 which is really cheap for a RM990k annual limit with no life time limit.
Includes premium waiver and early CI payout.

My current policy with AIA is catered more to investment side but only gives RM120k annual limit with no life time limit, no premium waiver and no early CI. Premium per month is also around RM270.
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As my understanding now all major insurance company offer 1 mil or higher cover for medical claim annually, and lifetime unlimited is quite standard for today.

Try ask your AIA agent about the upgrade program.

QUOTE(eric84cool @ Jul 11 2017, 10:10 PM)
Hi guys, just asking for the opinion in selecting product type by having about the same premium amount yearly.

(1) Having medical insurance (standalone) + life insurance from diff insurance companies.
(2) Having medical insurance (rider) which including ILP.

What's the pro & con for these options?
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Well for myself I prefer separate policy for life and medical.
If in the future I need to upgrade/downgrade/surrender I won't pull down another policies

For medical standalone the incremental of pricing is fixed as long you keep paying.

I wouldn't worry much in the incremental price, eg after 30 years the premium would be triple up, sound a lot,
but considering that time already 2047, with inflation or so generally it won't cost much.

For ILP if you wish to earn money in your insurance policies as well.
Those investment generally very low risk (not ZERO risk) and might give you considerate of amount, let's say when your retired.

My though is just don't put all the eggs into one bucket, but everyone have deference needs and reuiqrement
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post Jul 13 2017, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Jul 13 2017, 05:15 PM)
with the premium u are paying and the benefits you are getting, it looks reasonable to me.
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Since he bought it on 1999, younger age have big advantage on premium.
That's what suggest to plan well on young age
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post Jul 21 2017, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(thlo87 @ Jul 21 2017, 12:35 PM)
Hi all, am new to the insurance world and would like to seek your advice:

i was advised to go for the below coverage:

1. RM300k on CI, TPD and death, renewable up to 80 y/o
2. RM300k on Accidental CI, TPD and death, renewable up to 80 y/o
3. Medical card - covers up to RM1 mil annually and RM150 room and board

And was told to avoid investment-linked products as the money is better off invested on your own.

Is the above coverage comprehensive enough, my purpose is to buy the best value for money insurance. Also, i notice that we can buy insurance via FSM with 30% discount on agent earned commission. What is your opinion on this offer, how is buying via FSM different from buying from regular agent)

I am single male, 31 y/o, non smoker and work in the office

Thanks to advise
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There is no best value insurance, all plan have their strength.
It's all down to what you need.

Example, why you need 300k cover on CI?

1 Mil medical is very common, everywhere can obtain.

Suggest you sit down with a agent to plan forward.
A life plan comes with several type and pricing.

Just like a car have 5 seats, but there are thousand of 5 seater come in different specs and price.
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post Jul 22 2017, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(fairylord @ Jul 22 2017, 02:12 PM)
Hi sifu, i'm new about inaurance...wanted to buy but always give self excuse. I'm 32 now.

Was approached by an agent from AmMetLife.

He offered a plan named AmMetLife LifeStyle.

Up to 80y/o
$150/months = $1800 a year
got covered $1mil medical card
36 diseases/Critical Illness $90k
And the amount make monthly entitled averagely 6% p.a. return.
At the end, all amount made +6%p.a. can be withdrawn.

I have no insurance thinking that this might be good and affordable as saving for future old time.

Anyone have adverse feedback on this plan, pls share your thought. Appreciate
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The main question is not about the pricing but the protection.
What made you think 90k coverage work best for you.

If touch wood you kena critical illness how would you spend the 90k?


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post Jul 25 2017, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Jul 24 2017, 08:03 PM)
Hi, anyone from ING company?

My mum told me that she just renewed her medical card policy, but she didn't receive the "actual card" like she used to. What's going on? Is it "normal" or okay? So how she gonna show to hospital for prove that she is covered under ING medical insurance? (touch wood)

please advise on this situation, thanks guys.
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What do you mean by renew?
Did she sign up a new policy?
If just general review yearly there is no card as it should be deliver when you first receive the policy.

ING now is under AIA, if you sign up a new AIA policy the card come in a envelope with the hard copy of policy.
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post Jul 27 2017, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(fairylord @ Jul 27 2017, 12:30 AM)
Ya ...I just got an updated for my age 32.

Death 32150
36 illness and TPD 32150
Sum assured increase every year
When aged 62 it will be
Death 72150
36 illness and TPD 72150

Medical card sum 1mil

150 premium every month.
For return on fund if 6%, fund value will be left 39979 at aged 62. By that time my premium paid in total of 150*12*30=54k...So it's a loss in return for investment perspective .
What you guy say...hmmm
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Want life protection? Find insurance
Want earn money through investment? Find legit broker

Your assumption is based on 6% return, if market drop like hell and need 2 years to recover, you can't stop and still need to pump money regardless untung or rugi

Btw, do 32k life or TPD is enough to cover you?

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post Jul 27 2017, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 27 2017, 10:02 AM)
I'm sorry to say this is the decision coming from the insurance company.

Which is why aviation companies have special insurance for their pilot which they will have to pay a huge premium to insure their pilot just in case of any accident.
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But in this case the prospek is doing it as hobby, not as profession.

A full time diver instructors can't buy PA, but those who five as a hobby still can buy right?

I think some excursion might occur.
Hv to ask UW.
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QUOTE(watabakiu @ Jul 30 2017, 07:05 PM)
To further clarify, the question is assuming i plan to go solo,  (i.e. not attached to any insurance co-operations), and doing it full-time. I'd assume you'd get the % as per the commission stated in the ILP brochure? like 65% on the first year, and decreases over time. Would I be paid once the client paid the premium, or so long as insurance is incepted, I get the % for the annual?
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You need to join a agency to start selling. Can't solo.
The % vary depend on what product you sell, no fix like 65% or so.

To make a living on insurance is by years of accumulating commission.
Unless you got single premium from business man or fitly rich client then you got huge commission.

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post Aug 3 2017, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Aug 2 2017, 01:02 AM)
honestly speaking if you are looking at this product to help grow your money for education purpose, you really need to put quite big premium.

so let's say you have 18 years to prepare for your kids education fund, how many do you roughly need? then from there i calculate the monthly savings needed for you based on this plan you mentioned.

p/s: don't rely 100% on this plan for education fund purpose ya. I dont want you to end up 18 years later when you wanna take the amount out from this plan, it is not enough. wink.gif
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Agree, no one know what's the college/university fee on the next 20 years.
You can plan to save 200k for education fund but when time comes market price for private U is 400k maybe.

And this is also IF the investment doing good all the time.
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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ Aug 3 2017, 08:57 PM)
I just bought the GE ILP with Great Medic Xtra & Great Extender plan, the plan cover up to age 99. The plan is still under 'free look' period, I noticed there are two riders; V119 SMX150-99 & V133 SE90k-99 in the proposal (I think these riders cover from age 81 to 99). Since our life expectancy is around 75 to 78, shall I drop these two riders and have more 'fund' to be utilized in the later old age year (age 60-80)?
What do you think the differences of medical cover up to 80 and 99? Justified for the extra premium being paid for? I think...if I can live till 80 y/o is good enough smile.gif, what is your opinion?
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What's the big different in the premium?
If just 20 or 30 monthly no big deal, 2 starbuck gao dim

The medical is not only for you, but your next of kin burden as well
Example your very sick on age 81, your anak or cucu want sent you to gomen or private.
If they just normal folks private may cost them heavily, while gomen hospital have queue as many patients pending.

Then that time your children may have to think hard...
Shall I fork out half my saving to sent my parent to private or just gomen and pray for the best...

Think again...
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post Aug 6 2017, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(nyuc @ Aug 6 2017, 08:06 PM)
Hi guys,

Need your opinion - "will you pay for RM14K+ annual premium for medical insurance that cover your parent up to 99 years old?"

My father's GE medical policy has just ended at age 70. After series of medical checkout, GE loaded 1x of the benefit premium for R&B 200 which cover up to 99 year old with unlimited lifetime limit.

The 1x loading cost RM14K+ annual premium, with the increase every 5 years.

With such a steep premium, will you take this up for peace of mind?

Thanks in advanced for your feedback.

Cheers!
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Not much option here.
If premium too high, ask siblings share the premium.
Or save up the yearly premium for later use, some semi private hospital like HUKM are price quite affordable.

At age 70 no major insurance company will insure your parent as last entry age is 65.
Seem like GE is your only option to continue medical plan.

Question: Why don't look for other med option at insurance when your parent is younger?
Your story might give some good insight for other reader here.
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QUOTE(aaron_021 @ Aug 13 2017, 02:24 AM)
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...s-to-be-probed/

This sounds like we are paying more on top of having a medical card  hmm.gif
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My own opinion.
1. Are the minister story are true and not by political move?
2. Many medicine and item price are not regulate by health minister, hospital decide on price
3. Patient didn't check hospital billing as all paid in insure, might have wrong billing and jack up overall medical cost

What you guys think?

*All insurance company are heavily monitored by bank negara, for such issue shouldn't be asking on bank negara first?

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post Aug 14 2017, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(xpole @ Aug 14 2017, 10:00 PM)
I have some question to ask regarding Insurance agent. I have read previous pages but couldn't find it

Is it recommended for me to take insurance with someone that I know or through an agent that approached me? I have 3 close friends that are currently doing full time as insurance agent.

I'm still new in this. Sorry for this noob question. sweat.gif
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This case you have to be wise.
First ask around your friend see if they can provide what seem logic to you.
If not then move on.

Sometimes you may think better I choose what I need and go shop for best price.
Hardly work, cause:
1) You may not know how to plan financial, in reality how much is needed to support who? what? when?
2) Best price, you are not known to insurance pricing, what IF 3 of your friend also quote what the highest premium from their company?
So in this case you may choose from the least EXPENSIVE plan.

*After what they propose, always ask yourself how you want to spent the sum assured when something happen, is it enough? How long can it last?
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post Aug 15 2017, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Aug 15 2017, 12:38 PM)
Just buy from any of them you should be fine.

If I were you, I'd go with someone at least 3 years into the business
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I disagree.
Years of service not always equal to service/knowledge level.

I met a UM who doesn't know what term life is, ask back the client some more.
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post Aug 15 2017, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Aug 15 2017, 01:56 PM)
the best agents are the ones that you can't guess how long he's been in the industry. you may think that he has 10 year industry, but turns out he only has 3, which means he knows his job really well
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Agree, but this kind of agent is rare.
Anyone on the field know how typical agent handle prospect, sad for the market.
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post Aug 16 2017, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Aug 16 2017, 12:32 AM)
Can anyone shed some light why during admission with AIA Regular Med Plan 250 card, the patient still need to submit a 30k deposit in cash to the hospital before admission? Panel hospital and doctor. Any reason for this?
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https://www.aia.com.my/en/help-support/locate-us.html

Use the link and search for platinum hospital
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post Aug 16 2017, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Aug 15 2017, 05:33 PM)
I'm not here to debate on the profile/criteria of a "best agent". It's really a waste of my time, your time, etc.

xpole had a question: "which of my 3 good friends should I buy from?"

Now here are my assumptions:
1) xpole is not an idiot.
2) his 3 good friends are adequately knowledgeable
3) his problem is more of managing expectations of his 3 good friends.

Long story short, you can have a very knowledgeable, analytical new agent.. but he can't survive in the industry. What's the use?
You can have a product pusher, or what we call a fool, to bug you every now on then on yet another product. Slightly better than the first.
Or you can have someone adequately knowledgeable and stood the test of time in the industry, making a living and a career out of it.

Your statement is as if you disagreed that China is full of Chinese because you saw a black person born and raised in China.

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Thank you taking your time to explain this rclxms.gif
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post Aug 19 2017, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Aug 19 2017, 02:33 PM)
Why HLB not AIA?
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AIA better? Know few GE and PU agent also can achieve MDRT.
I think skill matters

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