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perseides
post Aug 23 2018, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Aug 23 2018, 12:49 PM)
hmm.gif why you ONLY want to cover these ONLY?
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Because other than RTA death, these are the main cause of disease and mortality in Malaysia.
Broad CI would cost more.

My question: is this TCI and coverage a good deal compare to the monthly premium quoted.
Are there better deals?
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post Aug 23 2018, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(ck8811 @ Aug 18 2018, 06:30 PM)
What's in my thought is if the return of ILP is lower than my investment,  i could buy a pure protection product,  and withdraw my investment in the future to cover higher premium cost.
Usually when insurance agent promoting their ILP product, they only give illustration of a normal scenario and best case scenario % return,  and i dont know whether the % return they claimed is true?
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Well I wouldn't say it's right or wrong to do your own investment if you feel that you can do better than insurance company, just bear in mind that future cost of insurance will increase and you'll need to have discipline to prepare that money for the future to pay off insurance charges.

You may refer back to the illustration on historical date on the returns but of course no investment is guaranteed.

You may choose a few funds to put in such as low, medium and high risk so that your risk of investment is diversified.

QUOTE(kazekage_09 @ Aug 20 2018, 09:55 AM)
Hi would like to hear some feedback for my case.
My wife is a hep b carrier and my new born son had been diagnose with mild pulmonary stenosis. Can they both apply for takaful?
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You may need to declare the health status and wait for the doctors report to see what is the underwriter decision on your wife's and son's application.

QUOTE(kazekage_09 @ Aug 20 2018, 12:36 PM)
The formal report no. But it can be done easily by any hospital right?
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Yeap

QUOTE(kazekage_09 @ Aug 20 2018, 01:38 PM)
But I think it cost the agents energy to entertain me. Just asked few agents and they all gave same answer that both my wife and newborn can't apply.

To be honest I also not quite sure whether totally can't or can with exclusion/loading. Or certain company still accept and others total no-no. Or the agents personal preference which they only accept easy case just to not burden themselves.  That why I try my luck asking here.

If let say both can't apply, then what next option do I/they have? Can they apply for life takaful instead? My question above is solely for medical card. Or I need to increase my life protection instead to cover their medical expenses later if I die. I have another 2 children and they both healthy.

How about Zurich Takaful SureCover?
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QUOTE(kazekage_09 @ Aug 20 2018, 03:26 PM)
Thank you very much for your effort. Really appreciated it.
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Let's put it this way, agents give their advise base on personal experience but if you are really keen to apply for it, then you'll have to submit your application and go through the process to get your health checked and see what the underwriter has to say about your application.
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post Aug 23 2018, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(darqiouz @ Aug 21 2018, 06:22 PM)
would like to ask some question regarding life insurance.. currently im looking at a life insurance quotation.. find it hard to decide on whether to purchase the rider for critical illness or not..

with critical illness:
pros - u get accelerated cash if diagnosed with illness
cons - expensive, death benefit reduced if u claim critical illness benefit

without critical illness:
pros - cheaper by almost 40%, death benefit untouched
cons - have to rely on own savings for daily use

I have a medical insurance that could cover my expenses if i get illness..

do u guys think i should get the extra rider for crit illness?
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With critical illness, you're basically buying a payout in the event you're diagnosed with 36 CI in order to use that payout to sustain your cost of living.

Whether it's expensive or not it's immaterial if you see the benefit that you get from the rider itself.

If you feel that you don't need those extra money while you're critically ill and unable to work. Then your option is not to include the rider.

I would suggest atleast 2 - 3 times of your annual income for your critical illness.

QUOTE(darqiouz @ Aug 21 2018, 10:33 PM)
a typical life insurance..

300-400 per month
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QUOTE(darqiouz @ Aug 22 2018, 10:10 AM)
I'm almost 35. the coverage is 500k..
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I would say the premium is around that range for your age.


QUOTE(perseides @ Aug 23 2018, 12:46 PM)
Hello, need to inquire on a telemarketing CI coverage from MSIG.

I'm currently 32y/o and was offered with a SA of Rm200k term coverage (up to 70y.) Monthly premium is RM58. 25% cash back return upon termination of plan. Coverage only for Cvs disease, DM, cancer and Kidney failure.

Is it a good plan as I am not sure of the pricing for CI in Malaysia? Does other company provide better coverage for the price? Thanks.
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I believe this is a term insurance, the coverage seems good for the price offered. However it doesn't seem to cover all the 36 critical illness. You may want to consider an overall 36 critical illness coverage to have a better peace of mind rather than just a few.

However there is no right and wrong.

The more coverage you have will typically increase your overall cost of insurance.

With a similar coverage at your age, a critical illness coverage would range between RM150 - RM300 depending on how comprehensive it is.

QUOTE(perseides @ Aug 23 2018, 01:18 PM)
Because other than RTA death, these are the main cause of disease and mortality in Malaysia.
Broad CI would cost more.

My question: is this TCI and coverage a good deal compare to the monthly premium quoted.
Are there better deals?
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When you're talking about better deals, what are you referring to ?

Lower Price, lower coverage?
Lower Price, same coverage ?
Lower Price, better coverage ?

Insurance is a very fair product in the sense you pay for what you get. You want a better coverage, pay more for it.

This post has been edited by lifebalance: Aug 23 2018, 01:37 PM
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post Aug 23 2018, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Aug 23 2018, 01:35 PM)
With a similar coverage at your age, a critical illness coverage would range between RM150 - RM300 depending on how comprehensive it is.
When you're talking about better deals, what are you referring to ?
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Thanks for your reply. I'm not sure of the market premium rates for CI, just want to know the general rates. I do know that usually telemarketing should have lower admin fee compared to buying from agency.

I initially don't plan to buy any CI plans but I would consider if the premium is a good deal.
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post Aug 26 2018, 11:54 AM

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A lot of ILP fund is down
For example
https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/ALZEQYF:MK

YTD down for 5%

The money inside ur ILP is down for 5% thus it will affect future cash value to will be use to cover the increase of COI
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post Aug 26 2018, 09:32 PM

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Not sure as I'm Allianz ILP policy holder that why I'm checking on the cash value and its shock me
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post Aug 26 2018, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(perseides @ Aug 23 2018, 12:46 PM)
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for that price with that amount of coverage, i will say it is a good deal. also its subjective to tell you about the pricing because it is based on a few factors - whether CI coverage covers early stage, how many type of CIs (some cover only cancer, some cover the 3 main CIs, some cover all), and different CI plan perhaps might have different payout benefits. so yea kinda hard to tell you which deal is better. most importantly with the premium that you are going to pay can take away your worries, that will be your main concern.

QUOTE(perseides @ Aug 23 2018, 01:18 PM)
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perhaps best way is to look for CI plans and compare and you judge by yourself.

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not sure about the admin fee though. but there will be no agent's commission.
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post Aug 27 2018, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Aug 26 2018, 11:54 AM)
A lot of ILP fund is down
For example
https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/ALZEQYF:MK

YTD down for 5%

The money inside ur ILP is down for 5% thus it will affect future cash value to will be use to cover the increase of COI
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It basically means that the fund performance this year so far is down 5%.

While yes, the units deducted to cover this year's COI is deducted at the current value,
our premiums to buy those units also result in us buying more units at the current value. console.gif

But then again, though the name "investment-linked life insurance", it is not and should not be considered as your investment vehicle.
Take a good look at the Life sum insured, the riders, and ask yourself "what do they mean to me? How are these helping me do what I want to do?"

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post Sep 1 2018, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(Meatballs @ Aug 30 2018, 06:35 AM)
If the fund is not performing, then customers paying more in premium for the same coverage. As I know, it's considered acceptable if an insurance company perform on par like FD returns.

In the end customers at losing end
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Yes agreed.
The risk is bear by customer.
When old time, need to topup due to cash value not able to sustain
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post Sep 1 2018, 10:59 PM

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Hi all,

I'm a 25 year old
i) male
ii) relatively healthy
iii) non-smoker

Curious to know if it makes sense to get the Allianz MediSafe Infinite medical insurance. Pretty new to this, as I have started working for two years now.

Would love to hear some opinions smile.gif

Thanks a bunch!
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post Sep 2 2018, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(AOL24 @ Sep 1 2018, 10:59 PM)
Hi all,

I'm a 25 year old
i) male
ii) relatively healthy
iii) non-smoker

Curious to know if it makes sense to get the Allianz MediSafe Infinite medical insurance. Pretty new to this, as I have started working for two years now.

Would love to hear some opinions smile.gif

Thanks a bunch!
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Allianz MediSafe Infinite is a medical card with no lifetime limit. If you're looking to be insured for the long run and have the budget to do so then you can consider it.

Best,
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post Sep 2 2018, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(AOL24 @ Sep 1 2018, 10:59 PM)
Hi all,

I'm a 25 year old
i) male
ii) relatively healthy
iii) non-smoker

Curious to know if it makes sense to get the Allianz MediSafe Infinite medical insurance. Pretty new to this, as I have started working for two years now.

Would love to hear some opinions smile.gif

Thanks a bunch!
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I think generally most insurance company nowadays provide similar no lifetime limit. GE, Pru, HLA, AIA, Alllianz and others if not mentioned.

Any particular benefit that made you attracted only to Allianz ?
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post Sep 2 2018, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Sep 2 2018, 11:13 AM)
I think generally most insurance company nowadays provide similar no lifetime limit. GE, Pru, HLA, AIA, Alllianz and others if not mentioned.

Any particular benefit that made you attracted only to Allianz ?
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Read that it's a good value medical card. Do you have any recommendations?
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post Sep 2 2018, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(AOL24 @ Sep 2 2018, 11:43 AM)
Read that it's a good value medical card. Do you have any recommendations?
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Hmm if you're referring to good value, some people would have different view like

Cheaper price but better benefit
Expensive but comprehensive

It depends on your overall budget whether you want to afford a investment link policy with a medical plan or just a stand alone medical plan is enough for you.

What's your budget you're planning to put in for yourself?
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QUOTE(AOL24 @ Sep 1 2018, 10:59 PM)
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why not? talk to an agent that you find comfortable with and most importantly you yourself trust the agent that you deal with icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(AOL24 @ Sep 2 2018, 11:43 AM)
Read that it's a good value medical card. Do you have any recommendations?
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very hard to recommend since most medical cards have the same benefits already.
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post Sep 4 2018, 10:07 PM

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I bought the Smart medic xtra and smart extender last year.

Already bought 13months. Let’s say now I go hospital, I need go pay anything? Or got Critical Illness can I claim the insurance? Or have to wait certain time only can claim? Withine 2yrs insurance company will not let you claim?

Another question is if I bought the medical card and after 6months Confirmed diagnosis Some diseases. will if affect my insurance?
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QUOTE(jiaen0509 @ Sep 4 2018, 10:07 PM)
Already bought 13months. Let’s say now I go hospital, I need go pay anything? Or got Critical Illness can I claim the insurance? Or have to wait certain time only can claim? Withine 2yrs insurance company will not let you claim?

Another question is if I bought the medical card and after 6months Confirmed diagnosis Some diseases. will if affect my insurance?
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Ordinary sickness or those general outpatient sickness, generally medical card is not covering.

It is not like you have a medical card, you can go to hospital totally free.
It is important to read and understand your insurance policy, what is covering, what is not, and whether there is co-insurance or not.

That's why I always reiterated, please don't have a mindset that I have xyz medical insurance already, I don't need to worry about my medical cost, insurance will take care all.

Generally medical insurance has 120 days waiting period, so if it happens after 6 months you had bought the insurance, then it is eligible to claim.
No such thing of within 2 years, insurance won't allow you to claim.
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QUOTE(Meatballs @ Sep 5 2018, 02:34 PM)
If you are having normal sickness nothing can be claimed.
To make it worth for your insurance, you need to pray that something bad happened to you and you can claim as much as possible.

If not you are just paying for nothing and insurance companies staff will enjoy your money on luxury travels and buying expensive items.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 5 2018, 02:49 PM)
Ordinary sickness or those general outpatient sickness, generally medical card is not covering.

It is not like you have a medical card, you can go to hospital totally free.
It is important to read and understand your insurance policy, what is covering, what is not, and whether there is co-insurance or not.

That's why I always reiterated, please don't have a mindset that I have xyz medical insurance already, I don't need to worry about my medical cost, insurance will take care all.

Generally medical insurance has 120 days waiting period, so if it happens after 6 months you had bought the insurance, then it is eligible to claim.
No such thing of within 2 years, insurance won't allow you to claim.
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My purpose for holding a Medical card is for future if have anything happen like accidents or any sick that need operation so I have a better choice instead of Gov hospital.
Just(touchwood) if anything happen like cancer or else happen now. Will my medical card that bought 1year covered?


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Government hospital are not bad to be honest. Most complicated issues are generally handled by them passed on by private hospitals.

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