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post Apr 9 2017, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(liette` @ Apr 9 2017, 10:22 PM)
hi all, I'm looking to purchase an insurance policy and was debating whether to get an ILP or a stand-alone non-participating insurance (and use the sum difference from ILP premium to invest myself as the charges are lower and also for the fact that I'm confident in getting higher returns).

however, based on my research, it appears that for the same coverage, the stand-alone non-participating insurance premiums are on par with the ILP premiums. for ease of illustration, let's assume my budget is RM250 and both the standalone and ILP premiums are also RM250.

therefore, it doesn't seem wise to go with a stand-alone non-participating insurance.

is the above true across the industry? (i've not looked at each and every single insurance company out there but for those that i've checked with, it appears to be the case)
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You need to dig deeper into details the exact coverage and premium between standalone and ILP, instead of a general statement, in order to compare.

You can't look at premium amount alone to determine ILP situation, its proportion that goes to investment as well as projection of return may affect the ILP.



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post Aug 2 2017, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(flintbatu @ Aug 1 2017, 11:58 AM)
Current premium: RM290

I was offered to upgrade to no lifetime limit, annual limit of 1 mil and others remains the same with additional payment of RM110 (up to 80 years old) and another option to 70 years old at RM80.

My question is that any difference between 70 and 80 years limit besides the cost? Any input would be appreciated.

Thank you in advance.
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Please be reminded, now may be RM30 addition, but it is not guaranteed to be extra RM30 in the future or forever.
Premium or cost of insurance may go up a lot in the old ages.



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post Aug 7 2017, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(ngks @ Aug 6 2017, 10:50 PM)
Not much option here.
If premium too high, ask siblings share the premium.
Or save up the yearly premium for later use, some semi private hospital like HUKM are price quite affordable.

At age 70 no major insurance company will insure your parent as last entry age is 65.
Seem like GE is your only option to continue medical plan.

Question: Why don't look for other med option at insurance when your parent is younger?
Your story might give some good insight for other reader here.
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Even the parent bought the medical insurance at young age, the medical insurance also may also quite high when come to age beyond 70.

Medical insurance / cost of insurance of a few thousand at the range of 5~10K range is almost inevitable when come to this kind of age.
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post Aug 9 2018, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(Fak3-1234 @ Aug 8 2018, 09:54 PM)
Like buying investment link kind of insurance first only get medical card as I just started working less than a year
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Investment linked generally is a long term commitment plan.
For fresh graduate, generally they won't have much disposal income, so priority should be saving as much as possible for emergency fund.
Investment linked premium is way higher than term/standalone insurance because large portion is channeled to unit trust investment which may stress out a fresh graduate monthly cashflow.

Since has no family yet (I presumed for fresh graduate), and no financial dependant on you, life insurance doesn't serve much purpose, may be except CI illness protection.
While if working under employed there may be some company covers this area as well as socso does provide certain protection on this matter.

Prioritisation needs to be considered, getting too much or redundant insurance may not do good for personal cash management as well.

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post Sep 5 2018, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(jiaen0509 @ Sep 4 2018, 10:07 PM)
Already bought 13months. Let’s say now I go hospital, I need go pay anything? Or got Critical Illness can I claim the insurance? Or have to wait certain time only can claim? Withine 2yrs insurance company will not let you claim?

Another question is if I bought the medical card and after 6months Confirmed diagnosis Some diseases. will if affect my insurance?
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Ordinary sickness or those general outpatient sickness, generally medical card is not covering.

It is not like you have a medical card, you can go to hospital totally free.
It is important to read and understand your insurance policy, what is covering, what is not, and whether there is co-insurance or not.

That's why I always reiterated, please don't have a mindset that I have xyz medical insurance already, I don't need to worry about my medical cost, insurance will take care all.

Generally medical insurance has 120 days waiting period, so if it happens after 6 months you had bought the insurance, then it is eligible to claim.
No such thing of within 2 years, insurance won't allow you to claim.
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post Sep 18 2018, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ Sep 18 2018, 10:32 AM)
But the premiums wont be as expensive if started from young right?
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Even you had bought a medical insurance at 18 yo, premium will still rise to a high level when you reach 69 yo time.

Medical insurance premium is correlated to your age, not when you bought.
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post Sep 18 2018, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(victorian @ Sep 18 2018, 12:23 PM)
Yes and no, if you start earlier the increment is not as high as when you enter at a later age. Plus some plan can only be renewed at a certain age, and you can’t enter if you are too old.
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I have a medical policy for decade or may be decades already that bought at young age, premium has risen more than 100% over the decades, and if I get a new policy now with the same company, the premium just a little hundred plus pa more only.
While if I switch to another insurance company, with the extra hundred pa, I got better annual/lifetime limit than the existing plan.

The so called "cheaper" buy at young age, is not significant at all.
Whilst, sometimes, newer plan may have better offer than old plan as well.

No matter how, medical insurance premium will still rise significant when aging, as insurance is not a charity to start with, they determine premium level based on pool of fund vs claim in their statistic, not whether one has bought the insurance for 10 years or 20 years.

The good about buy at young age is more about eliminate pre-existing illness that won't be covered if bought at old age, (generally you have little illness when young), and get coverage earlier.

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post Sep 26 2018, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(Holocene @ Sep 26 2018, 11:32 AM)
Have to refer to his mother's insurance policy for further details. Insurance companies work within the terms and conditions of the contract hence if you get a standalone medical card which is likely the case with Tokio Marine, such an increase could happen. But like I said, need to refer to policy for terms and conditions.

I believe most investment linked medical card would not have such a clause, where they can increase/add a co-insurance in an event of a claim arising the previous year. At least I am aware Allianz doesn't.

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Not a good word especially come from agent speaking. No offence. smile.gif

Also, this has nothing to do with standalone vs investment linked.

Every insurance has its own term and condition, be it term insurance or investment linked.
You can't simply say you believe ABC investment linked has no such term.
Either ABC insurance has such term or xyz has not only. Not whether "believe or not". smile.gif

That's where potential dispute may come from in the future, and claim "insurance cheated" but in real fact, insurance never cheat, it is clearly spell out when being bought about its term and condition, and right of insurance to impose co-insurance or raise premium for the future.

Insurance agents always need to highlight it properly, and exactly those potential clauses.

Also, even one particular investment linked may have no such co-insurance imposed, it doesn't mean the cost of medical insurance portion remain the same for the future for the particular insured.





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post Sep 28 2018, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(jinchuan815 @ Sep 27 2018, 05:45 PM)
The almost same premium of RM200 - RM250 but the sum insured is RM100k vs RM500k. i thought it is abnormal?
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You can't compare like that.

Every insurance may have its own term and condition/clauses differently, especially you have highlighted there is a portion of investment (aka investment linked).
The portion of allocation of investment vs premium can affect greatly how the insurance will be.

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post Sep 28 2018, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 28 2018, 03:57 PM)
er.. serong / off tangent a bit ar..
those are life, dread disease & disability insurances for your baby girl? not medical & hospitalization?

If so, can share the reason(s) for covering life, dread disease & disability instead of covering the risk of medical & hospitalization cost?
Just worried i may have missed something in covering my kids coz i've no life insurances on them / not much - forced to have a bit of life insurance but majority is skewed to medical.
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Kid doesn't need a life insurance.
Life insurance is for the financial pillar of the family, whereby you insured against the loss of financially if the bread winner died or cannot generate income to the family.
This is a life insurance for.

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post Sep 28 2018, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Sep 28 2018, 04:59 PM)
hmm.gif  well I beg to differ though, there are so many stories of kids getting cancer and other health complications and their parents crying for donation in the papers.

Medical insurance is still important for a kid.
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Read my statement properly.
Life insurance is needless for kid.

Even if you have 1 mil life insurance, life insurance is not going to pay a single cent for those medical bill.

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post Oct 15 2018, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(blibala @ Oct 14 2018, 08:10 PM)
Actually how much medical coverage is "consider" enough? Saw a lot of "unlimited coverage"...My agent asks me to upgrade to those unlimited plan. Currently my plan is only RM120k/year and RM1.2m lifetime..
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It will never enough.... laugh.gif (I am not agent) laugh.gif

Be assure what is "unlimited coverage" definition to start with.
Insurance is a profit orientated business to start with, they won't do losing business.
Once too many people claim the so called "unlimited coverage" insurance (which I doubt insurance company will put such a blanket term in the first place without other clause to limit it), your annual premium also may be raised as well.


Remember insurance is run based on the basic of pool of fund that being used to pay those "unfortunate" one.
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post Oct 29 2018, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(PPZ @ Oct 29 2018, 09:52 AM)
Hi guys,

want to ask if is it a good idea to buy pregnancy and education insurance? Are they worth to buy them?
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The first and foremost is the breadwinner get the adequate insurance first and adequate coverage.
So review whether the breadwinner already cover in the first place.

Education insurance is more like saving plan or a forced saving mechanism only, the insurance won't ensure the amount is sufficient or not for the future. You buy more, ended more, just like you save more, you ended more.
But one thing good about it, is that it has tax relief up to RM3k pa.

The mindset shouldn't be either win against insurance nor lose in between.
There is no such thing of worth to buy an insurance or not.
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post Oct 29 2018, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(PPZ @ Oct 29 2018, 10:39 AM)
If i am the breadwinner for my family, i want to ask how much is the coverage now should i go for life term insurance? At least 1 million?

For the education insurance, yes i treat it as a saving plans so that my future child will have a certain amount of money for him/her to study.
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It has a lot to do with income level, disposal income available, aka affordability.


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post Nov 27 2018, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(strategist @ Nov 27 2018, 09:05 AM)
My friend/agent decided to straight up quit the insurance industry...

She will be transferring my policy to her mom, who is also an insurance agent, though I have never met her.

Question: Is this recommended ? Or should I be looking for other friends who I can trust, and can serve me for life?

Thank you.
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Agent can be switched around or engaged anytime, just get the one best serve to you.
Details about insurance are easily available across nowadays, never blindly trust anyone except yourself.

But from my experience, agent tends to MIA after bought...
and emerge again when want to persuade to top up or buy new insurance... laugh.gif




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