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 FundSuperMart v18 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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Ramjade
post Feb 19 2017, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Feb 19 2017, 07:34 PM)
Guys. Any idea when will all the fees deducted?

I seems like receiving the platform fees very frequently. Lol.
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Depend on how many bond fund you have which have platform fees. Say you have 5 bond fund which have platform fees, so you kena charge 20x/year. Lol.
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post Feb 20 2017, 01:11 AM

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QUOTE(turtle_onrage @ Feb 20 2017, 12:53 AM)
Hi, thanks for your advise! If i were to drop the bond fund, any recommendation of fund that can complete my portfolio? In terms of optimal diversification and good risk reward ratio. Thanks!
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You don't need to drop bond fund. Just reduce the % and increase the others.
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post Feb 20 2017, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 20 2017, 02:39 PM)
seriously tho there's a spike in New members here after the last fsm event. someone is using us. think we need to charge royalty for our advise
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Unofficial FSM help page for english reader.
FSM MY should give us free platform fees for our services. Lol
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post Feb 20 2017, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(walkman660 @ Feb 20 2017, 02:54 PM)
just asking because i see not much people are buying manulife funds.

p/s: my dad and me are oredi under agent of manulife, the return are not satisfying (but at least service charge was cleared)
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Not satisfying? I think you bought the wrong fund.
Manulife US, India, REITS are some of their best fund.
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post Feb 20 2017, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Feb 20 2017, 03:07 PM)
bro, if say ur gf come here and spend time in this forum, you also pelik right? not that I dun wan ladies to stand up for their finances, but mostly guys would do the initial checking esp lowyat. so new comers, got gf plz bring them in to discuss. psst, bro your gf also la.. brows.gif
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Actually is wife to be. biggrin.gif
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post Feb 20 2017, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Feb 20 2017, 03:13 PM)
blink.gif u even know this ??
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He said he is saving money for marriage.
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post Feb 20 2017, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(Steven7 @ Feb 20 2017, 03:10 PM)
Thanks I am glad I have this thread to educate me on UT. BTW FSM reply real fast..they came up with this portfolio for me

Eastspring Investments Equity Income Fund 15%
RHB Asian Income Fund 15%
CIMB Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund 15%
CIMB Principal Global Titan Funds 15%
Libra Asnita Bond Fund 20%
Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund 20%

Any comments on these from all the sifus here?
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I think the best balanced fun is xuzen fund.Not too risky and I think is better than this.
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post Feb 20 2017, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(Steven7 @ Feb 20 2017, 03:30 PM)
Huh xuzen fund, I saw lots of his posts but not sure which 1 you are referring to. Could you link me please?
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From what I remember

RHB Asian Income Fund
Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund
Amasia REITS
Manulife India
TA Global Tech
-*not sure if he added Manulife US or not.

xuzen, do you hold manulife US or you just hold TA global Tech?
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post Feb 20 2017, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 20 2017, 03:58 PM)
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on a side note AmAsia REITs in my portfolio is the least performing fund eventhough I had it for longer than most of the funds I purchased post trump
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 20 2017, 04:12 PM)
Reits is not performing in this bullish market.

I am thinking to switch out my 2% of Am reits to precious metal. LOL.
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Tell that to Manulife AP REITS. This fund gave me 3.2% return in 3 months vs Amasia which only give 1.xx% after 6 months+! bruce.gif Both same amount just different buying time.

QUOTE(Steven7 @ Feb 20 2017, 05:57 PM)
RHB Asian Income Fund
Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund
CIMB Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
Eastspring Investments Equity Income Fund
Manulife India
TA Global Tech

Hi I was thinking of building my portfolios as above, do you guys think its okay/right time to buy them in?
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You could also use this simple allocation.
http://www.turtleinvestor.net/asset-allocation/

Replace STI with Nikko SG Dividend Class
SG Bond etf with Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund
REITS with either Amasia/Manulife
VWRD with Manulife US.
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post Feb 20 2017, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 20 2017, 06:30 PM)
so you planning to switch or keep? last I remember you are planning to shift all your investments to Singapore kan
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Precisely. Thinking of keeping max RM10k in malaysia. Not sure where want to put. For me, I feel market is kind of expensive to enter. One part want to choose United Asian HY bond/Affin Hwang Select Bond but this will incur platform fees and I don't like to give FSM free money. So most likely an equity fund. Decision decisions....
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 20 2017, 06:49 PM)
Talking about calculative, you must be no 1 liaow. LOL
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It's just principal. Take some broker for eg (international ones). They charge you just for keeping the stocks you buy with them while another broker charge nothing. Both have same brokerage fees. Doesn't make sense why?

A one time service charge is better. With platform fees, even if you don't buy you kena charge. What kind of nonsense is that? bangwall.gif ranting.gif
Every new subsequent purchase will also kena charge. So you will kena charge double. Old fund + new fund devil.gif
In the long run, platform fees > service charge. sad.gif
Think of a water container with a pin hole leak. The water is your money and the pin hole leak is your platform fees. Overtime, water is loss via pinhole leak but you don't see it (cause it's too little but it's real)

I am never a supporter of platform fees. I avoid them where possible unless no choice (see my stock eg above)

I rather FSM charge me one time service charge for bond funds than platform fees.

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 20 2017, 06:59 PM)
how are the girls over in fsm gonna get paid to handle your paper work eh bro? kesian those girls girls.
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Service charge, exit fees (come up with exit fees like RHB Islamic/bond funds). Make them hold the funds for min 1 year like RHB. Anything less than 1 year, kena charge. Also included in compulsory charge for switching between different house (some house can switch for free). Put in a 0.5% switching fees for all house.

QUOTE(2387581 @ Feb 20 2017, 07:01 PM)
Being in a talk-cock forum, this came to my mind, but I think the fee is too insignificant to actually perform this:
Before the platform fee date, sell all bonds move into CMF. After the platform fee date, buy in again. Since bond funds have 0% sales charge.
But bond being bond, the price shouldn't move too much in 1 week.
The loss of leaving and re-entering the bond market a few days later? It is something for the person who is even thinking about this trick to ponder.
IF the rate of appreciation continues, probably it is the loss in terms of number of units per same RM value.
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Not possible as they charge you platform fees on how long you are on the platform. So say you buy today. Four days later you sell even though it's month away to platform fee charge, you will still kena platform fees. If you can do this, teach me. rclxm9.gif

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Feb 20 2017, 07:04 PM)
Given the generally slower performance of bond to equity of higher risk, just go full equity so you get the 2% charge instead of platform fee, plus better reward.
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No. This part cannot put into equity. The only thing I can think of parking into REITs fund or just grit my teeth and pay them the service charge sad.gif
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QUOTE(2387581 @ Feb 20 2017, 07:10 PM)
oops. I didn't know that, probably because my investment is too ikan bilis I didn't bother to read the platform fee structure. For RM1000 at 0.05% it is RM0.50 per quarter. Let's take into consideration of the appreciation in value, so one year you might be paying RM3 for platform fee (no basis assumption). 2% sales charge of RM1000 is already RM20, which is about 4-5 years worth of platform fee. Correct me if my scenario here is not making sense.
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I did a comparison before about why platform fees sucks compare to service charge. I use 10 years period but this was for SG part where their service charge was only 0.75% (Phillip SG) and FSM SG platform fees was 0.4% pa. So cannot really compare with MY part when their service charge is 2% ranting.gif . However for discussion, the one with the platform fees ended up paying more after 10 years compare to the one with 0.75% service charge.

That's why when Philip SG counter FSM SG (FSM SG make the SC 0% but charge platform fees) with 0 SC, 0 platform fees, lots of people jumped ship.
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QUOTE(Steven7 @ Feb 20 2017, 07:15 PM)
Okay sure..gonna do more research before finalizing the %. BTW in fact I am working in SG now, do you think I should go for FSM SG instead of stick with FSM MY since the funds offered are different.
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Follow puchongite advise. Avoid FSM SG at all cost. That'w what I am doing. I didn't even bother opening account with FSM SG after finding out they are going to charge platform fees vs Phillip SG (that time was 0.75% SC for POEMS. Now it's totally free rclxm9.gif ).

Since you are working in SG don't need to put in FSM MY. I am transferring my money to POEMS SG. Reasons:
(i) wider selection of ufnds
(ii) funds perform better than MY counterpart
(iii) cheaper (0% SC, 0% platform fees, 0% switching fees)

Reason for keeping some in FSM MY:
- Emergency use other than what I have in Maybank eGIA-i

Use info rom FSM SG and buy from POEMS SG. FSM SG information is better. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Feb 20 2017, 07:17 PM)
TAke best of both.
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Wrong. Why pay platform fees when POEMS give 0% SC, 0% platform fees, 0% switching fees? confused.gif Use FSM SG for their info. Avoid buying anything from them.

QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 20 2017, 07:18 PM)
No, you should go for poems SG.

FSM SG is worse that MY if you ask me.
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Agreed.

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post Feb 20 2017, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(Steven7 @ Feb 20 2017, 07:25 PM)
Huh, glad to know, may I know why is FSM SG worse? POEMS SG, yes I have heard of them especially on their RSP but I was hesitating as I do not know anyone who can provide me advice on the Singapore front.
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See reasons above. Btw I think if we want to discuss SG UT, let's head to FSM SG thread.

FSM SG 0.1%/quarter platform fees
POEMS SG 0% SC, 0% platform fees, 0% switching fees

Why should I pay FSM MY if the funds they offer are not as good as their SG counterpart? Also 2% SC vs 0% SC is a lot of differences. Doesn't make sense to me.
QUOTE(Steven7 @ Feb 20 2017, 07:26 PM)
So what you will suggest is to abandon FSM MY and go for POEMS SG in full force?
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Your choice. If you buy funds from FSM SG, you wil get less support as the FSM SG thread is almost dead. No activity unlike FSM MY thread. However if you want to cheaper option over long term, go with POEMS SG. Do your own research. I started from here. Learn more or less everything I know from this thread, took the SG govt exam for UT investor and passed it. smile.gif biggrin.gif

Once you get the basic, it's more or less the same thing. The only person active over in FSM SG thread will most likely be me, AIYH and dasecret unless more of you guys joint us over there (Avengelice, xuzen, puchongite, T231H, etc) biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

I am still coming back to FSM MY thread for info rclxms.gif (remember it's universal)

For me, buy from POEMS SG, use info from FSM SG.

Here's FSM SG thread: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3757612

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post Feb 20 2017, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Feb 20 2017, 07:47 PM)
We based Malaysia 1 very little have FSM sg so no point to compare.
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If you want to maximise returns, always keep an open mind and think out of Malaysia. By limiting one to Malaysia funds/market, one limit one's opportunity. That's why right now, I am looking beyond SG.
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Feb 20 2017, 08:47 PM)
I would, but how would you mitigate forex risk?
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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Feb 20 2017, 08:53 PM)
True also. Didnt thought of that. Forex already set us back few %
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1) SGD will appreciate over time against MYR. That's the cold hard fact.
2) I am not removing the stuff in SG unless necessary (forecast min 5 years holding)
3) If SGD drop drastically, will change more SGD
4) If SGD keep rising, just keep until I have lump sum, change/TT one shot.

So the only risk I can see is my MYR will get me less SGD over time. So time is if the essence for me here.

Just last month SGD was only 3.12x. Now it's already 3.138. So much difference in one month. After you get SGD, you will start earning SGD which will help to cover your forex risk.

Hope this answer your question.

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Feb 20 2017, 09:03 PM)
You have no way of knowing that, unless you can tell the future. If you really want to say that is a fact, I will need to borrow your time machine smile.gif even so there might be the possibility of alternate timelines... smile.gif
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50+ years of history is all I need + the fact SG govt policy towards foreign company + HK is making it hard for US companies to set up shop, so more US companies will flock to SG.
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QUOTE(TaintedSoul @ Feb 20 2017, 09:25 PM)
how come no switching fee? newbie here
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He's holding warp account. He will kena charge x% p.a depending on how much he have. Think of it as higher version of platform fees.

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