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post Jan 1 2021, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(llk @ Jan 1 2021, 10:58 AM)
You are right, can't denied the current issue on the Zen3 most likely due to the wafer QC and probably AMD also aware of this but the management try to hide it under carpet.
With the extremely high demand of chips produced by this 7nm node i guess QC no longer an important aspect, what their target is to produce as much as possible the volume of chips.
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He's just pulling your legs lar , no need to be offended on the zen defense thing.
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post Jan 1 2021, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(llk @ Jan 1 2021, 11:07 AM)
It's ok bro, my money i decided what i want right? I'm a matured adult, not like those youngster fellas everyday Intel vs AMD/ Nvidia vs AMD...if Intel can come out a 12/16core mainstream chips today i will buy in..agree?
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Yeah. thumbsup.gif I have been through 3Dfx voodoo , Riva TnT, ATI Rage series and AMD Thunderbird generation up till now. So, it's nothing new. Youngsters nowadays will never appreciate how tech has progressed.

Also REVIEWERS themselves some shld give a thought to "MORE is not always BETTER"

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post Jan 6 2021, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jan 6 2021, 11:48 AM)
If only Linus Torvalds read this tread then only he will know how unreliable AMD is.
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This is not the only thread. There's other as well in OCN.
Ppl just turned a blind eye if it works.
Failure rate on ryzen 9 5000 is high. Especially 5950x.

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post Jan 13 2021, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 13 2021, 09:07 AM)
For so many years the good PSU going to be used, the tiny tiny money saved each month accumulated to offset the cost of using it
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Mine Seasonic P860 plat going to be 9 years. no issues. still going strong and providing reliable power.
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post Jan 13 2021, 02:48 PM

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Votes in OCN still increasing:

My system with a Ryzen 5000 CPU reboots with BIOS defaults
Yes - Gigabyte motherboard Votes: 28 22.0%
Yes - Asus motherboard Votes: 37 29.1%
Yes - MSI motherboard Votes: 14 11.0%
Yes - Asrock motherboard Votes: 5 3.9%
No. I tested extensively for several days. Votes: 29 22.8%
It did, but a BIOS upgrade fixed it Votes: 6 4.7%
It did, but a replacement CPU fixed it Votes: 14 11.0%
It did, but a replacement motherboard fixed it Votes: 0 0.0%
Yes - Other motherboard brands Votes: 1 0.8%
CPU - 5600X Votes: 7 5.5%
CPU - 5800X Votes: 16 12.6%
CPU - 5900X Votes: 21 16.5%
CPU - 5950X Votes: 51 40.2%

Total voters 127

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post Jan 13 2021, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jan 13 2021, 03:16 PM)
Got link for it?
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https://www.overclock.net/threads/replaced-...eboots.1774627/
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post Jan 25 2021, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 25 2021, 09:31 PM)
Bonchi
Where does your 5600x made at?

Cause I just read :
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/l4hr5...ntext=8&depth=9
Surely this can't be true, or perhaps?
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Regardless where it's made at. It's random failure rate is on the high side , especially for 5950x. (No one at Amd admitting this and there's always zen defenders out there blaming it on agessa, aib boards etc etc)
When dealing with Zen, it's playing with a game of chance roulette.
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post Jan 26 2021, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(waghyu @ Jan 26 2021, 03:48 AM)
RTX3090 how much RRP?
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This is a ryzen thread. Anyway, suprim card is already 9k+
Most cards now higher than their initial MSRP at launch
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post Jan 26 2021, 01:07 PM

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Hardware prices for 2021 and beyond won't be cheap or cheaper. Be it Intel or Ryzen, Nvidia or Radeon platform , it's gonna cost more than before. Be prepared to pay for it. And don't waste time waiting for prices to drop. It won't anytime soon.
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post Jan 27 2021, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jan 27 2021, 04:30 AM)
Cod. Warzone is crazy on “stability”
Coldwar because of dlss/rtx reduces this but
Have u noticed how “rt” or “dlss” type games seem to behave like javascript??

Bomchi you da code guy right. Have u noticed this on dlss2.0??

Infact was talking to owikh84 the other day and we both had our rig before rtx 3080.. alot of ram issue etc all happened after we put ampere on the mobo.
Coincidence??

nrw did u notice anything coinciding with ampere on the system ??
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Would like to chip in. Minor glitch with ampere.
Ampere cards can b choosy on the display it's paired with.
Paired 3070 with a older benq 3201pt 4k monitor. Have random Nvidia driver error, nvlddkm caused . Happens in light load while web browsing but not during gaming. Not very frequent but it's there. Doesn't happen with Turing cards.
This can be replicated on both Ryzen and Intel platform cos I have both and with different driver versions.
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post Jan 28 2021, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 28 2021, 09:48 AM)
2000 is the max it can go but only guaranteed to 1600. so I wont be surprised if 50% or even only 10% of the ryzens out there can stay absolutely stable at 2000 IF.

that 2000 value is the same as most mobos claim support up to 6000mhz ram OC because the vrm and socket can handle the loads and bios have settings untill that value but not guaranteed to reach.
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Despite of what AMD claims , only a very small handful of chips can reach 2000 with stability 24/7. Of course the mobo can handle it but not the cpu.
Just like the random BSOD issue , it's all silicon lottery playing with Ryzens.
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post Feb 9 2021, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 9 2021, 05:03 PM)
he has a point

asus unless u pay for maximus/crosshair/rampage.. the rest.. is ???
currently they made strix-e not bad
itx i dare say the b550i strix the only decent non crosshair itx they ever made but not cheap also

they nerf the bios based on tier

msi doesnt..
giga bios on intel is like a archaic piece of rubbish but like z490 ram oc part was actually decent
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Giga z590 master , priced more decent than M13H.


@Bonchi , for you GIGABYTE Z590I AORUS ULTRA
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post Feb 11 2021, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(prohesoyam @ Feb 10 2021, 11:56 PM)
i need the PCIe 4.0 feature and less power usage
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That's a nut price to pay for a 5800x
U re better off with a upcoming RKL instead
U better hope that silicon u bought don't bsod on you

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post Feb 13 2021, 12:19 AM

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Those who always criticize intel being hot cpu

From https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i7-1...ahead-of-launch

Is not a "hot" processor, running up to 18°C cooler than a 5800X under Prime95 load. And look at the power draw.

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post Feb 15 2021, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Feb 15 2021, 10:32 AM)
Anyone having issues?
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It's already a known story and been happening since day 1 launch. My earlier 5950x bsod at bios defaults settings even with no xmp applied. It's documented in a forum in OCN . But there's no REVIEWER dare or bothered to pickup or follow up on it . And what's a shame is it's the flagship CPU that has caused most misery to ppl who is unfortunate enough to have purchased a poor quality or defective silicon. And worse part, there's lots of ppl defending Amd, blaming the issue on ageesa or the AIB or whatever. The best solution is to RMA the CPU until u got back a stable chip that doesn't bsod.

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post Feb 15 2021, 04:33 PM

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The truth is user experience on Amd hardware is inconsistent. If it works, good. If it doesn't, it's nightmare.
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post Feb 15 2021, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Feb 15 2021, 10:31 AM)
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5000-zen-3-d...-failure-rates/

AMD Ryzen 5000 ‘Zen 3’ Desktop CPUs & X570 Motherboards Have High Failure Rates, Reports PowerGPU
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The results tally with the OCN polls of users with cpu that failed / bsod on stock settings worldwide. I believe it should reflect the truth.

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post Feb 16 2021, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Feb 16 2021, 02:55 AM)

Probably needs some people who know how to read European web stores to get RMA rates reported from there. The last time they had reports like this, it's mostly for the 5700 series Radeons showing a significantly higher rate than all Turing cards except the 2080Ti. Considering how bad some of the 5700 cards are, not surprising, although the 2080Ti RMA rates suggest that enthusiasts who are more likely to spend money on hardware are much more discerning (or abusing RMA for silicon lottery).

I saw a Reddit post where some guy quoted Mindfactory numbers, but with no source though: https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/...e_high/gnjoyml/

If the numbers are legit, seems like Germans don't like Gigabyte X570/B550 boards in general, RMA rates are way higher than the rest.
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Don't have to read the actual Rma figures. Roughly we already knew failure rates for Zen 3 is higher especially for 5950x.
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post Feb 17 2021, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Feb 16 2021, 03:13 PM)
I'm fairly active on the Asus CH8 OC and owner's thread, from our collective reports there - the CPU that has the most issues are indeed the 5950x. More often than not, you will see people complaining that they can't even boot beyond 3600mhz/1800mhz IF, these are Zen 2 speeds lol!

Of course some BIOS releases has helped alleviate such cases recently, but it's not untrue that 5950x is currently the CPU to avoid, besides the 5800x which is of a silly value to begin with.
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Already knew it from my past experience with it. Been telling ppl to be vary of 5950x.
It would be a damn lucky chip if it doesn't Bsod at stock settings or run IF beyond 1800
Updated Agessa is not going to fully solve a poor silicon chip to begin with.
If anyone is unfortunate enough to have bought a sucker poor quality chip that bsod/whea errors , RMA for a better stable chip is the best solution
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post Feb 19 2021, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Feb 19 2021, 04:00 PM)
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3608349/ryz...the-claims.html

PCWorld talks to an unnamed hardware vendor:

Ryzen 5000 series fails at 2.9 percent.
Ryzen 3000 series fails at 3 percent.
ThreadRipper 3000 series fails at 2.5 percent.
Intel 9th-gen fails at 0.9 percent.
Intel 10th-gen fails at 1.2 percent.
Sounds like binning is the main cause (at least for 10850K and 3990X). Also interesting to note that memory tests are done - AMD chips can be finicky sometimes in 4-slot configurations.
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I believe it's higher than that for 5950x

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