The high idle and higher power consumption is often a topic here actually. even just a few post above people are discussing this and they use power plans to dial down the usage at the expense of performance for lower idle temps and consumption, and change the power plan accordingly by usage.

Well you dont normally see this in reviews because all they do is max out benchmark and get the max results. They never record data like power consumption over 10 hours of browsing or music playback and gaming. However from AMD users especially some of them here who checks their hwinfo logs, that is what they noticed including myself. I remember my 3600 will go max all core 4.0ghz hitting 80C for just playing some flac audio files through foobar2K with some plugins... had to compromise by converting all my files to ALAC and play through itunes lol

zen2 also actually. i think it started because of chiplet. nrw mentioned that his renoir APU which is monolithic can idle nicely below 10w.

Who knows, maybe the 5000 APU will be very nice for memory overclocking as well.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jun 7 2021, 05:43 PM

Here you can see for gaming, intel's power consumption and heat isnt as high as assumed (infact most reviews never show gaming temps and powerdraw). But cant say the same for rendering. So in the end If you going to do alot of CPU heavy tasks that will load it to max for long periods of time, then no doubt AMD. But if casual gaming/browsing or even ironically as a low power HTPC, intel is still a pretty solid choice.

My electric bill was pretty high with Ryzen because of the foobar2K music player caused it to go 4.0ghz max load which went unnoticed for a while which i tend to play music at the background as I work... imagine for 7+ hours a day for 4 months, the pc was drawing 100W+ from the wall constantly running 80C. Only started to notice when I upgraded to gtx1070 ITX and my 400w flex PSU started to scream which got me to monitor the powerdraw and finally noticed it.

well, obviously 5600X beats the 11600K that's why it's so much more expensive. But as you can see, the power consumption and temps in gaming isnt exactly much lower infact it's very similar... unlike what most claim it to be (over 200W and hitting 100C 360aio is needed etc etc)

well, power consumption = heat in most cases. Not fun having the PC idling at 50C doing nothing with AMD Chiplet CPUs ... will heat up the room slowly and significantly. That's why many here resorted to using custom power settings.


not sure how it will perform yet, but judging from renior 4000G APU... I have the impression that it will be a much more reliable and overall more stable CPU than the ryzen 5000X series.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jun 8 2021, 05:08 PM

yeap, and generally gaming wont go 100% cpu so power consumption is actually very identical or even lower if compared with 10th gen. Not everyone render 24/7 anyways so in the end it's actually not a concern for everyday usage but AMD's high idle power consumption is a concern.

yeah so flac may cause higher cpu usage on the decompression and somehow it causes my AMD to go full out 4.0ghz all core 88w PPT roaring at 80C++.. which is pretty facepalm . Thanks to that my whole audio storage has been converted to ALAC And that was why I use full memory buffering and kernel streaming to my USB audio DAC buuuuut, bump into alot of issues with ryzen. Which is one of the many reason why I switched to intel.

meanwhile, now my intel cpu package power while playing flac files on foobar2K with the same encoding options is 8w and below. that's 10 times lower

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jun 8 2021, 08:29 PM

well, probably foobar2K and wasapi plugin and perhaps also reading files from rar. Well I dont know why it happened also. can only point it to being AMD's problem ive even set my CPU min state to 0% and undervolted to the point it randomly bsod but still it gets to 4ghz all core whenever a song is played. So i converted all to ALAC and used itunes (ewwwwww)

well, 40w+ idle vs less than 9w idle is still quite a big difference in the longterm especially I believe you also leave your PC on almost 24/7. as you know, room temp slowly increase by delta from the exhaust and being 50C idle especially when you close window, close door, off aircond and go to work..... you will come home to an oven. I had this experience with my 3600. Kinda made me shut down my PC often with AMD but now, my intel is only 1-2C above ambient during idle. I kinda leave it on 24/7 again .

I remember coming across someone here that had similar problem with AMD going full retard max boost playing flac as well. So im not the only one here.

well you have AC auto turn on. While due to expensive power bills in SG, i generally dont turn it on could be quite unbearable at night as long as I left the PC running. Power bills has quite a noticeable increase too since it's 40w 24/7. So really had to turn the PC off.

Personally I see the impact is far worse for long term especially when didnt took notice it and continue to pay the extra electric bills while leaving the PC on, taking for granted. However if one really renders everyday then yeah AMD is the way to go. intel's max boost powerdraw is kinda over the top. I actually reduced my PL1 and 2 to 125w and dont see any difference apart from benchmarks scores. gaming fps stayed the same.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jun 9 2021, 07:47 PM

nicely sipping 8~w with 10+ tabs on chrome and gskill software, steam, epic launcher, afterburner running. ram at 4266mhz a ram kit that cost almost double the price I paid for my 10600K ambient is 30C-31C. Inside an ITX case with only a 120mm aio.
foobar forever haha, been using it since early 2000s with the same theme and setup not gonna change as I have added a bunch of my self developed plugins in it as well. mostly to reduce "placebo" latencies such as my volume slider is locked to windows mixer volume. only AMD had forced me to use the disgusting itunes.

I was more hardcore back then. with desktop DAC and tube Amps etc. Now im happy with just a SMSL M3 mini USB DAC. audio tech has came a long way and can get good sound with very little money. I actually spend most of my money buying CDs. Especially whenever I go to japan's tower records hahaha sure whack a bunch back of japanese pressed CDs.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jun 9 2021, 11:58 PM

well, I no longer use an AMD so im back to good ol foobar. Files are sadly already converted to alac. Itunes works well only on mac. On windows it's ewwwwwww.

my problem I had on AMD wasnt really the file type, but rather is my custom foobar config itself. I actually changed mobo but still had the same high boosting and audio clipping. That's why I ended up changing to intel.

haha for me the placebo is too strong. Cant use any other players except for foobar and itunes (on my mac) ...but somehow I can spot foobar vs other players through blind testing, so it might be a lucky coincidence or it's actually different (to my hearing). I have a very peculiar demand on the voice and "soundstage" that some old guys in audiophile thread might know me for it haha... although most of them were gone now.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jun 10 2021, 12:58 AM

well, I can somewhat tell through blind tests so i dunno if im crazy haha, perhaps there's some difference in the implementation so there will be difference. for example ASIO sounds different than WASAPI even though both are "bit perfect" streams.

Also maybe each player has different latencies that's why I coded a plugin on my foobar to bypass foobar's volume control and directly locked it to windows. But well, this will eventually spiral down to snake oil eventually audio topic very sensitive.

back then, I had a bunch of friends with the same hobby to do blind tests at my place over some setup difference just to make sure im not imagining things

guess something is wrong with each audio players then cuz they sound subtly different from each other to me.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jun 10 2021, 09:18 AM

Not bad, although I already coded a plugin myself for that on foobar

mine pulak everything will be upsampled to 24bit because my DAC dont support CD format 16bit which is 99% of my audio collection. pretty worried the upsampling with bit stuffing will cause some sort of "colouring" to the audio stream . with other players i lagi wont trust the bit conversion. Too bad vinyl takes too much effort... haha else I would have gone for it. I have some Utada and Teresa Teng vinyl collection sealed cuz i dont have the player for them

I got alot of snake oil. People listen to my setup will likely end up kena racun haha... but i personally play with entry level + focus heavily on setup and pairings usually and to some extend include modding... making it relatively affordable that's why the racun even stronger.

but some of my mod are quite exaggerated, like using rca cables and stabilizers that cost much more than the r1280db speakers itself. Just like on my PC, my CPU is actually cheaper than my RAM lmao.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jun 10 2021, 06:24 PM

she has LP for first love, deep river and hatsukoi only if im not mistaken. I have the deep river.

well my DAC minimum bitrate is 24bit so 16bit not supported, need to upsample. I think got compare before.. I feel like it got some native bass boost haha from my impression. I can test again when I free, but my biasness, snake oil and placebo will surely cloud my judgement.

Turn table very mafan... most make sure the speed is synced, then must make sure the LP is flat and dust free. so you need stuff like LP cleaner and a device to flatten it as well.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jun 10 2021, 06:32 PM

being monolithic, Im pretty sure it will not have the high idle issues of the 3000X and 5000X and where you loss in IPC, you gained with lower memory latency. Good trigger you pull there.

tested, had a little too much gain by default aka loudness and cant find any where to reduce it so i guess it was hard coded in the player. Can hear very very very faint crackling and distortion on the upper mids and highs due to the gain but my ears just happen to pick it up (had repeated the same affected track over and over side by side to compare with foobar as well). bass is abit loose for my liking too. The distortion becomes more obvious on headphones.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jun 11 2021, 11:38 AM

Sony vs foobar, i managed to amplify the crackling by altering the tracks's gain it's very obvious now. Sony made it sounded like my speaker rosak with all the cracking and popping sounds. I probably can record it down but dont know how to upload audio on lowyat.

Got evidence now so i can confidently say the difference is not placebo. The hidden gain is there. Even when volume normalized on the speaker it can still be heard.

Track used: tokyo jihen - killer tune, accuraterip from my own cd to wav then converted to ALAC. For testing purpose, converted to mp3 for audacity to crank up the gain.

Music bee so far still ok, didnt test in detail yet.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jun 11 2021, 04:34 PM

not really bass problem, it's the inverted V or triangle EQ aka too much mid boost is what causes crackling usually especially trumpets

that aside, my r1280db just sounds like fart with this kind of bass these speakers not meant for these kind of songs lolol.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jun 11 2021, 05:08 PM

create your own themes with these 3: columns_UI, el_playlist, wsh panel mod. Can go online copy paste themes and modify and eventually you will know how to configure one haha last time deviantart alot.


mine I made it pretty lightweight. Only uses 6mb ram when it's not buffering any song files.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jun 11 2021, 08:58 PM

AMD Ryzen zen2 and zen3 really to suka2 boost max for no apparent reason and it seems pretty random. Like mine it boost maximum for just playing songs. You can maybe try using some powerplan settings from tristanX to see if it helps. Else close one eye jer since I'll assume you wont be downloading games everyday.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jun 13 2021, 01:59 AM

his CPU PPT is 130W eventhough at 30% load, dont think it's a pump issue, feels more like a power plan related.

From this, it doesnt look like mounting or cooler problem. It's the CPU boosting to 130w ppt problem. look at tristanx's only at 45W ppt. Restart PC also doesnt solve it?

you probably kena the same problem as my ryzen. boosting to 4ghz all core 80C+ just with foobar without CPU load. Baru cakap jer then someone kena the boosting bug

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jun 13 2021, 10:49 AM