I didn't say you recommend him to get Intel. I'm replying on your thinking that people still waiting to get AMD when Intel is widely available.

Read the bolded part for the hateful message. Anyways you want to continue hating AMD is totally up to you. But don't use me as your punching bag.

Wow, that is a good power saving compared to mine.
My 5950x SOC power consumption is exactly doubled yours at VSOC 1.0V 

1333 = ~8.8W
1600 = ~9W
1800 = ~18W
1867 = ~19W

Perhaps the doubled power usage is due to 2 CCDs.

Compared to 3950x.......The SOC (VSOC 1.1V) is idling just fine at 2.5W and using 17W - 20W on load 

Both CPU have DDR4 XMP activated at 3600Mhz (3950x) and 3733Mhz (5950x).
I had been searching through OCN and reddit posts and apparently the Zen 3 SOC power state when (XMP is activated) were "broken" since launch. So much for Zen 3 is using the same IO die as Zen 2. 

You have done the community a great work by testing all those configuration. 

Currently, I am able to boot 5950x + x570 with VSOC 0.95V. Any lower, the system will automatically reboot instantly once reaching win10 logo.
3733Mhz XMP with SOC power consumption constant at 11W with 0.95V. Kinda a waste if I can't run my RAM at its rated speed since I spent so much on it. 64GB total.
3200Mhz with tight timing, maybe I should consider it later.  I am using the RAM as RAMDrive.

The 5950x CPU SVI2 TFN = I give up and manually create shortcuts at desktop to switch between Power Saver and Balanced power profile for time being.

Let hope the third option on AMD fixing it will be on the table.
Problem is, there isn't much people making noise about this. 

USB issue is more critical right now in the community.

is it just me or local retaillers are selling motherboards at 30-50USD markup as well?

MSI Tomahawk B550 at RM800, but newegg sell USD150....
if convert, should be 600+ only

Singapore here selling at 900 MYR, 329 SGD.
I mean damn, if want cheaper have to look somewhere else, eg newegg or carosell

buy from brick and mortar shop always never cheap because their rental is absurdly high, they still have supporter from local.
Good thing is easy RMA, that's all, sometimes they do give discount if you buy in store, and give you advice if you're clueless.

Carousell pc part buyer usually only for those who know what they wants, but RMA is pain in the butt lol

can advise where should I start tweaking with? currently my 5800x with custom waterloop dual 360 rads idle at 50C+

just closing chrome(facebook & LYN only) and Messenger app, reduced a lot

At Advanced Power Settings, under Processor Power Management, check if System Cooling Policy is set to Active. Will slightly help to reduce the temperature.
If don't want the fans to ramp up and down too much, set smaller difference of fans speed between the temperature. Mine if not mistaken is set to 20% increase from 40c till 60c.

Even just idling my Chrome still take 3 to 4 % CPU processing. Sometimes spike to 5%.

Didn't notice got update delay settings in my bios.

Oh the step up time. I think already set 2 or 3 seconds on my bios.

Anyways, small difference of fans speed between 40c to 60c I think is useful to avoid the fans from ramp up too much as this is the range the CPU temp is when light usage. Above 60c then full blast as that is when CPU is full load.

my only concern from online retailer is i dont have CPU to flash bios for 5000 series   
unless can borrow yours?

Yeah, now I also feel bad.

I purposely missed the lunch price hoping AMD will release non-X variant CPU (X CPU always tend to be unreasonable expensive during Zen 2)

Now with the silicon shortage, this will become far worse each and every day passed.
ANYWAYS

I'm in a little bit dilemma, should I got for 8 cores 5800x or stick to mainstream 6 cores 5600x?

Because I'm worried with 2 things:

1. Current gen console now running in 8-cores CPU, I afraid future games will have better utilization on 8-cores compared to 6-cores.

2. 5800x has high TDP with minimal performance gain (take note, I'm on SFF built, so temp quite necessary, I watch many YT reviewer that 5800x not worth for its price due to high power usage and high temp, but can LYN users give opinion on this, so far I see people OC their 5800x, but not yet undervolt (negative PBO) on that CPU. Refer here.

Leaked AMD 5000-series APUs (Codename: Cezanne)
Credit to: @momomo_us



And apparently it is also leaked on Finish HP website (new HP Omen)


well, I'm guessing its going be offered to pre-built exclusive just like 4000-series. Well, hopefully not.

Will try it later on..
I think already over tighten. Scared might "cracked" the mounting 
Currently using the PBO, need to tune abit since the temp going and down but not much. Still satisfied with slight decrease temp
Previously using intel so same using 360 aio and the temp much lower than the AMD. Less than 70 deg. Just abit weird i thought it getting better when switching to 5800x

Just the temp makes me "nervous" when seeing it..haha

Even with a Noctua cooler you'd need a top of the line one to match or beat a 240 AIO regardless with Zen2/3. Seen SFF forums for my case - X53 always beats the C14S(with three fans) regardless. The 5800X also is the hottest of Ryzen CPUs anyway, since it runs at high clocks out of the box unlike the others, leading to high per-core power consumption.

The point still stands anyway - chunky base blocks are the best option, but even then some heatpipes on that air cooler will be warmer than others based on my experience with a C14S on my 5800X.

@mdzaboy Curve Optimizer wouldn't result in much temp reduction as boost clocks may go higher as a result of the negative offset. Maybe try fiddling with PPT, EDC values etc and reduce them slightly to compensate?

So much for AMD claiming ZEN3 doesn't require ZEN2 power plan nonsense.

After I export the power plan from ZEN2 to ZEN3 system, the idle is much more better in term of boost frequency, heat and power usage.

Holy moly i should build an Intel PC then for normal usage.

Cannot get F. Must have built-in GPU for power saving rig.

If you wanna go that far, might as well get non F. Intel Quick Sync! RTX 3080 full performance due to Nvenc not giving it performance hit.

Of course. Streaming is a thing these days. Price difference isn't big anyway.

Yup. And you also get super fast video transcoding.