If can heat up the room in a -18C cold snap in texas... our lovely 34C malaysia weather can become fat burning sauna room

but damn.. if the room is really -10C, imagine the liquid inside the loop all froze up

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Mar 3 2021, 03:15 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cd6ze...t_temperatures/
https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/saf...rature.3531213/
https://hardforum.com/threads/safe-x570-chi...oncern.2000597/

basically it will always be above 50C even on ATX in cold ountries. on ITX, easily 70-90C at load depending on airflow... sandwich one more gen4 nvme under the shared heatsink then 100C . That's why x570i only got gigabyte, asrock and asus which are all not being recommended. MSI didnt even bother to make an ITX version.. and ASUS created the DTX form factor just to beef up the cooling even more.

You rarely see it in the itx community because majority knows of this problem and got the X470i/B450i instead for ITX builds... and now use B550...especially some B550i model have even beefier vrm than the x570.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Mar 3 2021, 03:51 PM

Melting is just an expression of it running really hot.. and by means anything above 60C is considered hot, 70-80 is really hot. Melting does not mean breaking down but literally means higher than comfort.

It's the same as to any electric components as we all want to keep it lower than 60C vrms included.

affecting performance of course not. But yeah, according to AMD X570 limit is 105C so it is already expected to run very hot.
Put in the same perspective of overclocked 10900K running at 95C or the rtx3090 vram at 100C. These numbers are below max operating temps and are not throttling yet, but of course you wont sleep comfortable knowing the chips are constantly running at such temps, especially when it comes to parts longevity.

also the chipset bios may have some bug as B450 was designed with ryzen 2nd gen 20 pcie lanes in mind as compared to 3rd gen’s 24. So some motheboards will detect as 20cpu lanes and drop the 16x pcieE gen3 down to 8x when the m.2 slot is used... I had this problem with MSI B450i gaming plus AC.

And somehow for B450, AIB seldom publish the detailed info online or in the manual regarding how the pcie lanes are assigned.. so hardware pairing like using multiple m.2/pcie devices/sata devices together might cause either one to not be detected. B550 onwards tend to have a better info.

B450 and x470 actually reached end of line last year. It doesnt officially support the latest 5000 series but is made possible with a beta bios instead. While B550 will be last AM4 motherboard. So either way, there is no future proofing for both so just buy whatever that fits your budget and requirement.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Mar 5 2021, 11:42 AM

although the trfc is pretty loose for a rev E but not bad... but it's a 16GB single rank kit so I guess that helps too.

yeap.. it is down to many things ... like chipset drivers, device drivers, windows version, software compatibility, and also RAM compatibility which plays a very BIG role .. and not to mention their crappy thing called AGESA.

This problem i dont think is something new, if you look back.. there's already such feedback since zen2 and Im one of them on a B450 board , as you know I have been having this problem since 2019...... I guess because more people using AMD now so there's more of such issue being reported and it has been over a year yet AMD still havent have a full fix for this. On one AGESA 6 months after I had my system running, they did make my USB hub work but not 100%... And later, took more than a year for them to officially acknowledge this problem and start to collect system configs that are affected, while before that they never entertain or reply any of my feedbacks.

So I dont have confidence that AMD will solve this anytime soon and so I made the leap back to intel.

Could be due to die deterioration too. my ryzen also start to show signs weeks after use and then it's just an endless troubleshoot.

your ram will be the first suspect in this whole case. just run them at 2444mhz for a few months and see. Remove most components, set pcie to gen3, use only 1 hdd drive and monitor. reformat your PC.

Or just go with intel if youre tired of AMD's reliability issues.

as for the idle voltage and temps... Just forget about it and let the cpu bake itself. it's a ryzen behavior and not a bug. If you want it to truly idle then you just check your task manager and close everything that is running, especially afterburner and all monitoring apps.

Took them more than 1 whole gen to acknowledge it is an AGESA issue and i wonder what those dufus who kept defending AMD would say about this. Thankfully i dont have to face all this crap anymore.

Lavry da11 doesnt work at all, smsl m3 random disconnects.

Hub is some cheap one, also doesnt work at all. Need to use one with additional external power. especially for racing rig

The first ducky keyboard 1008 doesnt work, need ps/2 adapter. g304 mouse random disconnect. taobao mech keyboard only works on USB3.0 ports.

But my z490 board doesnt show these behaviors. while both b450 and B550 have.

Had to leave some USB ports empty on my AMD else all the ports will go haywire. using a powered hub tends to work better than plugging into multiple usb port on the rear i/o.

MSI b450i gaming plus AC, Gigabyte B550i pro AX

Ryzen 3600, corsair SF750.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Mar 12 2021, 03:15 PM

Changed alot of USB cables and very high quality shielded ones as well primarily because of my audio hobby.

Amd just epic fail here. Powered USB hubs tend to be noisy too, that's why i try to avoid that and only use them for my sim racing rig.

anyways, in the end, the best solution for me is switching to intel dont have to wait till April to know the AGESA fix works or not.

Agreed. just this time on my AMD, it's gotten too ridiculous... to the point that i might as well just not use my pc at all, as you can recall at the nvidia tered, After swapping to the 3080, my pc gotten even more unstable that i just left it off for 2 months. Changed to B550i and then left it off again.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Mar 12 2021, 03:42 PM

Janji my problem all solved with intel so I not gonna have faith with AMD anymore in terms of reliability, plus this USB is not my only issue with them.

Or maybe it fixes nothing, as usual

5950x 200w + 150w = 350w, should be still within the safe zone. Perhaps the eco mode is what preventing the whea errors. afterall it seems it was running fine until recently.

No, it is a must to set the special ryzen powerplan. Zen2 and Zen3 behavior is the same as afterall the IOD used is exactly the same. The only difference of zen3 is the rearrangement of the cores and the L3 cache in the CCX that increases the IPC. Apart from that, most symptoms such as crashing, high idle boosting behavior, ram compatibility is the same between both.

The high idle voltage is also another of my major complain about ryzen and one of the reason i sold it. my 3600 never go below 1.3v unless i shut off everything then it will be 0.9v.. with the balance ryzen powerplan

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Mar 12 2021, 06:14 PM

Best to borrow one bigger psu to try, or disabling your gpu OC and some HDDs and try again.

dont end up like me, upgraded a few weeks old SF600 to a SF750 which helps with absolutely nothing. (So i ended up with upgrading my 2080 to 3080 because i dont want to waste the PSU)

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Mar 12 2021, 09:45 PM

It depends on what is running on the background as well. We have doing nothing idle or playing music in the background idle or YouTube/video playing in the background idle.

Doing nothing idle with no running apps, definitely temps and voltage will be lower as the ccx will enter sleep state like yours. If that’s the case, might as well just shut down the PC.

But the other 2 then will be a different case. for my case, I have a music player running and the voltage will be locked to 1.3 to 1.4v... I think john also. anything light at the background will affect the sleep state such as rgb software, monitoring tools, afterburner, i torrent etc.


Meanwhile this is my 10400F temps when youtube is running. room temp is 28C~ no aircond lolol.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Mar 13 2021, 02:33 AM

Install the board chipset drivers then the ryzen power plan should be there in the windows power setting for zen2. But yours is zen3 so I guess you won’t see it and you should use the balanced power plan.

But no matter what, it wont really help much. This is just the behavior or ryzen cpu so just live with it. the 40-60C numbers might not look nice when just doing light browsing or watching a video, but it wont destroy your cpu.. it’ll just make your room slightly warmer and fans slightly louder

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Mar 13 2021, 02:21 AM

That’s the answer I got and they all say don’t trust hwmonitor and only look at ryzen master.... but ryzen master also shows the same thing lolol.

You may want to check your c-state and cool n quiet settings in the bios. these will affect the idle states as well. however if they’re all set correctly then I guess just accept the cpu runs hot at idle. I had this problem since I bought the 3600 in 2019 and nothing have changed after so many agesa and chipset updates.