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post Jan 26 2021, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Jan 26 2021, 08:17 PM)
At least you can hit 3800. I can get 3733 very easily but I can only get 1900 IF clock or 3800 RAM, not both together.

Micron revE here, still working on the finishing touches on tightening tertiaries then reducing voltages at 3733. Lowest primaries that is TM5 anta777 stable is 16-8-19-15-23, although tRAS might incur a performance penalty at that low numbers since it should ideally match tCL+tRCDRD.
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but my trfc value has to be almost 900 to stay stable and voltage 1.45v.

then again... even with memtest86 stable for 20hours, it still crashes once in a bluemoon at 3200mhz xmp. So kinda mehhhh.
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post Jan 26 2021, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 26 2021, 08:29 PM)
Ooft got my first Event 41 today, first time since AGESA 1.1.9.0 launched.

The weird thing is that my system didn't restart nor did it BSOD. It almost seems like a false positive, but it's odd that event viewer reported it. Scratching my head now in why this error even popped up.
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now the torment of wondering if this problem will happen again has begun....... sweat.gif
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post Jan 26 2021, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(sai86 @ Jan 26 2021, 09:44 PM)
i'll report here back once i can connect to my monitor properly and do proper testing based on this "stock" setup, doing all these on 55 inch tv except gaming kinda gimme headache  sweat.gif
somemore this AIO 240mm is local brand Aftershock, dunno from which OEM. (maybe Asetek standard design. The same as ID Cooling Frostflow series.)
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how does the mounting looks like?
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post Jan 26 2021, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(sai86 @ Jan 26 2021, 10:06 PM)
Excuse the poor quality. That mirror is fking reflective...
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judging from the mount, it doesnt look like asetek made it .. not coolermaster as well. Actually looks quite similar to those aigo that appeared on shopee.


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post Jan 27 2021, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jan 27 2021, 04:30 AM)
Cod. Warzone is crazy on “stability”
Coldwar because of dlss/rtx reduces this but
Have u noticed how “rt” or “dlss” type games seem to behave like javascript??

Bomchi you da code guy right. Have u noticed this on dlss2.0??

Infact was talking to owikh84 the other day and we both had our rig before rtx 3080.. alot of ram issue etc all happened after we put ampere on the mobo.
Coincidence??

nrw did u notice anything coinciding with ampere on the system ??
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more like coincidently most games with rt and dlss are done by such developers.. although there are exceptions with DLSS games like codemasters that doesnt crash and there’s game without DLSS like ubisoft and rockstar that could also crash.

my ram problem started with pascal so cant comment much on it. Probably because ampere is pushing so much fps untill it strains and forced out some instability on the ram oc that is not shown on previous gen.

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post Jan 28 2021, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Jan 28 2021, 01:46 AM)
Good to know. I presume my CPU's SOC is a dud then?
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2000 is the max it can go but only guaranteed to 1600. so I wont be surprised if 50% or even only 10% of the ryzens out there can stay absolutely stable at 2000 IF.

that 2000 value is the same as most mobos claim support up to 6000mhz ram OC because the vrm and socket can handle the loads and bios have settings untill that value but not guaranteed to reach.
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post Jan 28 2021, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(senzr @ Jan 28 2021, 11:30 AM)
I'm on a R5 3600 + B550, and I've also been noticing more frequent WHEA. Taking your lead, I checked Event Viewer and also discovered a bunch of Event 41 critical errors whenever I had WHEA.

My fast start-up settings are off, so that's not the issue for me.

But I did some digging, and remembered I updated my mobo bios not long ago to version F11 (B550 Aorus Pro AC), and for some reason, it was removed from the official bios download page. Then I found this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/gigabytegaming/com...os_f11_missing/
https://www.reddit.com/r/gigabytegaming/com...s_pro_f11_bios/

Quoted from thread:
"There is a reason. F11 BIOS was generating WHEA errors in Event Manager in Windows if you were using RAM running at 3600 MHz. This caused instability for some people. Any slower RAM speed was fine."

"I still haven't been able to run my RAM at 3600MHz via its XMP profile without intermittently logging WHEA event 19 errors in Windows 10 and the equivalent errors in Linux, which occur seemingly at random."


I also remembered that I'm running my Trident Z Neo RAM at 3600mhz via manual overclock instead of XMP, because enabling XMP would cause crashing.

So it seems like a combination of Gigabyte 500 series mobo on F11 (or F31 on X570) with G.Skill Trident Z Neo RAM running at 3600mhz has been documented to cause crashes and random WHEA.

The Gigabyte B550 Aorus Pro AC bios page has been updated with bios version F13a as of 27/1, which updates to AGESA ComboV2 1.2.0.0. I'm gonna cross my fingers and update to this bios and see what happens.
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usually such error is across all brands as its mostly got to do with agesa and the design of the ryzen IMC. pretty tough luck on zen2 because it seems like most support has already been halted so it’s better to use older proven stable bios if youre on zen2 as most of the newer bios fixes are meant for zen3 and pretty it will compromise zen2’s stability. Im using gigabyte’s F3 bios 1.0.0.2.. it seems to be the most stable.
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post Jan 28 2021, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jan 28 2021, 07:55 PM)
Oh.. I thought he talking about bonchi CPU.
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i boot before at 3800 cl20 laugh.gif with an auto 1.3v on the vsoc. I didnt bother to stress test it because it is too high... and i set that as a mistake due to MSI’s stupid “memory try it”

im running everyday 3600 cl18 .. it is good enough... i rather not have memory related headaches when the ryzen is already giving me headaches as it is.
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post Feb 2 2021, 08:59 PM

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XMP High Frequency Support Level 3 is just a quick way to set the IF but at fixed steps. It’s better to use auto and set it to be coupled instead. 1800mhz IF at 3600mhz ram is not guaranteed to work on zen2 so gotta keep that in mind.

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post Feb 2 2021, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(senzr @ Feb 2 2021, 09:35 PM)
In my case, I only got the system stable if I set High Frequency Support to Level 3 AND manually set the IF speed, memory speed + voltage. Shouldn't have to double confirm like that in AUTO, but that's a quirk of Gigabyte boards, I guess. Got this tip from Gigabyte forums and Reddit, so I'm not the only one who had to do it.

I'm aware the R5 3600 is only officially guaranteed to run RAM at 3200mhz, but many folks are running at 3600mhz, and I already paid for the 3600 kit, so just gatal to get my money's worth. Just didn't anticipate it'd take so much effort to get it working properly...
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in most cases, xmp doesnt work out of the box even for 3600 as each board will intepret it slightly differently thus the instability varies, especially on the difference at the subtimming and SoC voltage. So most will require manual input. You can use dram calculator and slowly work you way out of that... I believe you can find lots of guides on ram tweaking in AMD OC thread.
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post Feb 3 2021, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(senzr @ Feb 3 2021, 09:17 AM)
Oh wow...you mean even if a RAM kit is listed in the mobo's QVL, it isn't just plug n play?
I was planning on avoiding this whole hassle in future builds by just checking the QVL...
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qvl is just what vendor has tested with their hardware, mainly their cpu sample. Plus they could be halving the IF or not we wont know.. as QVL is just a confirmation that the board can run the RAM at such speeds... not the cpu IF

How high the IF can go is depending on the luck of the silicon in the cpu. So you can take QVL as just an assurance, not a guarantee.

I have used rams from qvl and those that are not. They all have almost similar chances of success and failure at running on xmp however when it comes to overclocking, the qvl status becomes irrelevant.

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post Feb 3 2021, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Feb 3 2021, 08:25 PM)
There is some correlation between CPPC values and voltage, but it's not consistent.

CPPC values, core priority from HWInfo and Curve Optimizer negative offsets below that survived 24hour Prime95 blend test:
127 7/8 13
146 2/3 10
143 3/4 16
150 1/1 10
135 5/6 13
139 4/5 16
150 1/2 8
131 6/7 15

Started with -20 and slowly bumped up the offset for any crashing cores in Prime95.

Now to figure out if it's stable during low power usage... what tools would be best to simulate that? hmm.gif
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the only tool i know is patience... just wait for it to crash laugh.gif

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post Feb 5 2021, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Feb 5 2021, 07:26 PM)
This is important:

AMD PCI Device Driver
1.0.0.81 > 1.0.0.82 - Bug fixes

If this fixes the PCIE4.0 GPUs causing USB/audio drop outs, then that's a golden fix.
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It could be finally one of the fix i’ve been waiting since 2019 if it really is.... but then a new agesa might have a chance to mess up the current stability level.. haihhhh
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post Feb 5 2021, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Feb 5 2021, 10:52 PM)
I'm reading mixed response on reddit. Can't confirm it myself because I don't have the issue to begin with. You tried it yet?
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because it's AMD... im gonna wait it out longer to see responses and review first before proceeding to avoid more complications. Rolling back to an older AGESA is not that simple... need to do USB Qflash/flashback which requires a full system strip down.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Feb 6 2021, 12:20 AM)
confused.gif

This isn't AGESA, it's the AMD driver chipset package.
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owh? it's the chipset driver? hmm.gif then maybe I'll give it a try... but it will take about month to find out .
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post Feb 7 2021, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(Vigilant @ Feb 7 2021, 05:32 PM)
Hi guys how many times I can RMA my Ryzen CPU? Is there a limitation like the CPU can be rma-ed once only during 3 years warranty period?
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unlimited but depending on reason and stock availability. If you wanna OC but the lottery is bad, forget it. They will just test your chip, see that it can hit the base speeds and send you back the same one lol (or someone else’s RMA unit with the same reason)... and youve just wasted on the delivery fee.

Only best chance is exchange with shop but that depends on how well you know the salesperson/owner.

Despite all that, if you still wanna change then there’s no other way but to sell yours and buy a new one .. when you buy enough from the same shop and build a regular customer base then you can do the step above. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Vigilant @ Feb 7 2021, 05:54 PM)
I'm trying to get myself a used RMA-ed Ryzen CPU. Hence my concern is, if the processor is faulty one day, can I still RMA, because last time if I'm not mistaken on this, Intel can only RMA once. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Haven't been into PC building for so long.
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yes no problem. just remember to get the receipt as well
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Feb 8 2021, 06:29 PM)
I'm losing my patience with Gigabyte due to shitty BIOS and software.
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having used/test out asrock, msi, gigabyte, asus in the modern era, I feel gigabyte has the best bios to play with though, especially the manual hex timing parameters. asus and msi too graphical and click click for my liking... asrock probably the worst.

The moment I switched from MSI to gigabyte was like hallelujah cukurrrr. but I fell out of patience with AMD.

for software.... all are shitty so to keep my temper in check... i dont use any and thankfully im not a fan of RGB. (the first thing i did to my zotac is plug out the RGB cables laugh.gif)

Anyways, for asus.. only their ultimate highest-end fully featured board can pakai. Their mid tiers and price really cannot pakai, just riding the name of the successes of the highest end models. For beginners who wanna try out OCing, I will somehow recommend MSI as even the bios is quite informative. Gigabyte bios indeed is a little complex for casual overclocking... but if want to just whack stock and XMP then gigabyte is still recommended.

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post Feb 9 2021, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 9 2021, 05:03 PM)
he has a point

asus unless u pay for maximus/crosshair/rampage.. the rest.. is ???
currently they made strix-e not bad
itx i dare say the b550i strix the only decent non crosshair itx they ever made but not cheap also

they nerf the bios based on tier

msi doesnt..
giga bios on intel is like a archaic piece of rubbish but like z490 ram oc part was actually decent
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deswai old timer like me personally likes the gigabyte more laugh.gif altho i gotta admit that I hate their sub features are hidden all over the place (thankfully i dont need to use them). But the important OC bits like timing and voltages are all laid out in a nice detailed form....albeit abit complex at the same time.
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Feb 10 2021, 09:37 AM)
not sure amd but asus on intel is pretty well laid out

intel has mrc algo for training. asus provides them all.

giga what owikh84 loves is, the counter. it shows the values being applied.. odt etc etc.

i can tell you this giga, msi favours ram high frequency with loss in performance. aslong can train
asus favours PERFORMANCE, instead of booting everything.
till date when you get it right in asus.. all ram bandwidth/latency .. it beats giga/msi.

they fae tunes asus board on performance.

Bonchi
giga master the best oc board in terms of value normally
dual bios , etc etc

now they are trying to compete with APEX with tachyon,
seems like just like that.. they like fark the SOC naming and start some new naming shit. lol
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agreed. All the while gigabyte makes very solid board at the value they sell at. Heck look at B550 itx line up, gigabyte have the most overkill vrm and even a full backplate despite being the cheapest of the trio.

As a budget choice, gigabyte is always there and in terms of performance it’s also up there, depending on the person that tweaks it. Nobody does LN2 daily... so alot of OC claim is rather pointless actually... and most OC nowadays depends on the CPU sample more, especially AMD.
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