intel’s upcoming mid/budget mobo, so it’ll be cheaper than z490 and probably even amd’s B550

And this time it allows memory overclocking unlike intel B460, so.. the new b560 might very likely be a budget build price/performance king.

3600 outperform 10400 only in benchmarks. Not so much in real world.. infact you probably cant tell cuz it’ll be like few seconds difference in actual rendering.

However in games you can see the 3600 struggle. Im personally using a 3600 and can see it’s bottlenecking my RTX3080 alot and the fps is noticeable. The 10400 wont have this issue, mostly due to better memory latency.

so it all boils down to which mobo youre getting for the amd... B450 or B550. if B450, go ahead with 3600. if B550, maybe consider waiting.

zen4 wont be available till nov or looking at current situation with zen3, maybe havt to wait till even 2022 bro...

Mehhhh I have totally zero issues with gigabyte’s bios. maybe cuz i dont use the cursors as i just navigate with the arrow keys and key in the numbers manually old school style. Infact i hate asus and msi’s annoying dropdown lists super much to the point i really wanna smash the board when selecting the fidgedy dropdown list... freaking time wasting. especially when pushing the limit and have to reset cmos very frequently.

Im pretty sure i can set the full sub timming table on the gigabyte bios way before you can even dropdown select the freq and voltage on the asus bios... just need to numpad enter numpad enter then F2 enter reboot and done

but i gotta say, the drop down list is indeed very noob friendly. The way gigabyte bios was laid out, i guess most beginers will get overwhelmed by the hex numbers and a page full of figures and jargons to set in advanced mode.

Each of their own i guess.

ps: to be fair, asus and msi bios can use the + and - keys to set values without using mouse cursor dropdown which made them less annoying.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jan 17 2021, 03:57 AM

took them so long.. hopefully will solve my bsod errors on my 3600....yes zen2.

Still getting them at random but very rare. Despite having done over 100 hours of memtest86 and stress tests stable. It will occasionally surprise modafukaaa and goes poof when light browsing or enjoying some music.

sigh.. i dont know what to expect already, did what i can and still happens once in a bluemoon. Most users will probably just shrug it off, but it can be super annoying especially when Im in the middle of doing something when it crashes randomly... like drafting a letter and all the progress gone if forgot to save ughhhh.

Welp it is a bitter sweet experience. No doubt the performance is damn good for the price when it first launched paired with a B450 despite having some minor issues. Now with intel's price slash and the expensive B550 mobo which i just upgraded into hoping the issues will go away.... i dont know what to feel anymore.

i supposedly wanted to give it a last shot by getting 5800x but after seeing that there’s still some issues.. i give up on the plan.

Now Im finding someone to trade a 10400k z490itx for my ryzen 3600 B550 itx with top up on my side but no luck. Hopefully one day got someone interested haha.

maybe got someone out there had the same crap experience with the 10400F and want to try something else

hopefully the person who gonna trade with me will then temporary use the 3600 untill he/she get the zen3.. while i am definitely going for the RKL. win-win.

plus most importantly, im not advertising in LYN

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jan 17 2021, 08:04 PM

that’s the problem.. who will buy when shops are demanding at least mobo bundle to get the zen3 cpu.. plus it’s only a month old. Really a dead stock.

havent.. but it happens in such a bluemoon... thus pretty hard to test

it at stock tho.. hmm I shall bump up the SoC voltage to some high value first and monitor. Then gotta have a learn at LLC with ryzen... kinda unknown territory to me because since its already giving problems at stock, i didnt touch overclocking... despite the voltage are already stupidly high even at idle.

will know in a month or 2 time if it works... Altho im now considering to get an automatic voltage regulator as well to see if my home’s bad wiring (30+ year old house) is the cause.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jan 18 2021, 01:20 PM

done those test.. more than 100+ cumulative hours already. all no problem... it just randomly once in a bluemoon come and bite. And the funny thing is that it BSOD even when fully idle. Will look into those settings.

I think to up SoC because im running at 1800Mhz IF but voltage is currently at stock... maybe should bump that up.

my HWinfo doesnt seem to show it.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jan 18 2021, 01:42 PM

well it's not a major stability issue.. but it's an annoying one... annoying enough to make me wanna change platform.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jan 18 2021, 02:17 PM

on rdo my 3600 goes around 50% CPU 65C~ but my RTX3080 doesnt go above 60 but im running on 1080p 60hz vsync maxed garphics. ambient is 32C (stupidly hot room)

also using a 8L itx case.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jan 18 2021, 03:11 PM

realistically, intel still long way from gg. their revenue is 71billion while amd is only 6b. They may be doing “better” than intel in DIY enthusiast systems. But they are still a far cry from being a reliable corporate solution and servers. Intel’s low power devices seems to work better than amd as well.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jan 20 2021, 05:05 PM

intel just lansi wanna stick to their own fabs jer.. imagine if they throw to tsmc to do... sure gg. Infact the upcoming future power horse might be apple’s workstation CPU.

zen 3 cannot clock so high is their design problem i suppose.. tsmc is just technically a "wafer printer". So far we've not seen tsmc make products that clocks very high but we can see from the same fab, they've made very different chips for very different clients with very different characteristics.

deswai cannot imagine what would happen if intel went with tsmc.. could be something hnghhh. But well, since their 10nm is coming together, that might be something nice to look forward to.

or maybe by then, amd might finally sit down and properly solve their stability problems.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jan 20 2021, 09:15 PM

virtualization is the only thing it can do for now actually. If used for database and storage servers that requires high IO and fast caches, xeon still outperforms the epyc.. and also the lack of confidence in security on amd's side. There is a huge compatibility issue as well, like my former company did a trial run on the epyc and one of the legacy SAP host kept crashing.

So if you dont wanna end up possibly having endless OT to troubleshoot... better do a test run first like as for a sample

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jan 21 2021, 12:15 AM

yeap precisely.. epyc is just a core slave... and really bang for buck for the number of cores it has. Kinda the best for less intense webhosting VMs.