But to be fair, at the point of time when 3600 came out, I was at lowyat initially shopping for 9400F and the spec doesnt even come close and from a value proposition.. it was the best and that's why I got the 3600 and was optimistic as I had athlon64 and phenom and they were solid.... and also at that time I had 0 knowledge about the problems with zen and zen+ and never did any prior research as I had to decide on the purchase on the spot. Also it was only a week after ryzen's launch so not many feedbacks yet.

I originally used 2666Mhz ram on the ryzen 3600 and of course, it is generally stable. Problem comes when I upgraded to 3200mhz and start to do tweaking and subsequently a 32GB kit... and with heavy usage plus installing various SDK, VM and emulators due to work from home during the pandemic makes the problems surface more and more... like for example when my code has an error when testing, it could also bsod the windows.. but this doesnt happen with intel. To the point I end up buying a used laptop to leave in office to access files via teamviewer so I can bring home my office laptop cuz I dont wanna be running on VPN with all the IP blockage at home.

I already made alot of compromises on Ryzen, and my patience have finally run thin when it affects my primary hobby of music listening so I promptly switched to intel... dont even have the patience anymore to wait for rocketlake and B560.

it could be one of the following: kernel streaming, full file buffering on RAM, dsp compatibility, the DAC's USB interface driver, amd chipset's USB controller (which is also the PCI-E) and lastly the chipset's USB drivers.

and Im also running my huge lossless audio files from a USB external HDD so perhaps it could also be caused by the amount of traffic on the bus.... in the end they're all linked to the capability of the IF and especially IMC.


I truly cannot replicate the bsod but the only thing in common is it happens when I had music playing on the background... nevertheless, problems all solved now with the "desperate" solution of switching to intel.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Feb 17 2021, 04:27 PM

welppp my itx board doesnt have optical out.. and there are also so many unknowns so cannot blame on it cuz we dont know the cause... but generally there is something wrong in the Ryzen platform especially in parts that is used by a small percentage of users... sadly im one of them.

The best part now is, I can finally play music in screen off idle state now. On ryzen, when this idle state kicks in the DAC just produces weird noises due to usb power being cut by the chipset driver’s power management.

I wonder any AMD noctua users here selling their intel mounting kit. PM please I lost mine.

Excel tends to not able to utilize multi threaded workloads that well and even if you have so much power at your disposal.. also better to use ECC ram as if im not mistaken, Ryzen supports it.
But generally, also expect crashing midway with such big datasets (altho 1GB is still considered small) regardless of how many cores or rams.... for this kind of workloads usually xeons are used for reliability.


So for you, just sell whichever you can scalp for the highest margin/profit which is the 5800X at the moment.

which is ironic because ryzen has a bunch of missing components to run certain linux distro smoothly lmao... only now they create a dedicated team to sort the problems for future chips.

ram has been a problem for this kind of data analytic tasks for me and it became one of the reasons I switched to intel just 3 days ago. But I wont vouch that intel consumer will be 100% crash free with excel, maybe slightly better but ultimately ECC and Xeon is still a better choice for such task. (that's why there are some professional thinkpads and thinkcentre that comes with xeons)

But yeah, belum cuba belum tau. It's always fun to try new tech anyways...and given AMD's pricing now, it wont be a problem selling when it's not suitable.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Feb 18 2021, 06:28 PM

not worth... was the worst decision ive ever made, it doesnt solve any stability issues (if you have any) and CPU and memory performance is identical.. the only gain is pcie Gen4 for GPU and NVME and some boards will have the more recent wifi6.

not possible because the disabled cores are lasered off. Of course they wont want the phenom exploit to repeat again.

but it's a little too late for me hahaha. Already made the switch to intel and the faith and trust is already gone for the AMD brand. Guess this proved that it's not my poor luck for getting lemon hardwares more than twice but rather it is a chipset/Agesa issue.

However it is good that they've finally admitted and to those fanbois who defended the brand and saying it's a user's problem instead deserves a finger .

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Feb 20 2021, 10:28 PM

not to mention i actually have that USB issue since B450 so I fully agree that it is an Agesa/driver problem, not a chipset. Using the first Agesa that supported zen2 1.0.0.2 did somewhat solve the USB but in return gets unreachable boost, and generally terrible memory stability.

I remember the last agesa update before i sold the b450, my pc will randomly freeze and can hear the device disconnect sound on loop. and the screen keep flashing with the prompt to force install display driver.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Feb 21 2021, 11:31 AM

i had the issue on B450 (MSI), changed to B550 (GGB) also kena. In that reddit post, there’s plenty of users have the same problems on their x470.
AMD did release an agesa to address a USB issue before but it didnt work, if im not mistaken was as far back as Agesa 1.0.0.4 PatchB which suppose to solve compatibility with PCIE/USB devices especially soundcards but that version messed everything else up. thus this issue has been raised quite long ago before but still not solved.

So yeah it is an agesa problem, and the fix will be through agesa as well. He is not blindly attacking.



This post has been edited by Bonchi: Feb 21 2021, 11:55 PM

those agesa changelog is also applicable to 400 series and it has already been complained about in the VR community back at zen+ launch in 2019 and the problem still persisted till 2021. Unfortunately, my audio setup seems to trigger this problem across 3 AMD rigs but not happening on my macbook pro and my new intel rig. So it is a good enough indication that it's more of a compatibility issue.

And in a way, for them to not officially state 400 series in this post means.... they're telling those who currently running 400 series that AMD will no longer give a shit and please buy their 500 chipsets. Well to be fair, AMD did say new AGESA on 400 series mobo will not be officially support but to be up to AIB's discretion and that they will "try their best" to help.

So 400 series can cry all they want but sad to say, support has ended and AMD will only focus on 500 series.


Now I just hope AMD will finally look seriously into this (not vaguely state "fix compatibility" in the Agesa changelog but fixed nothing) and hopefully fix it for affected users who cannot afford to simply change rig like me... but for me, this experience have left a very bad taste.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Feb 22 2021, 01:08 AM

As you can see in the post, small sample of people... usually affected those power users who max loaded the USB ports, like me is a racing sim rig and an audio interface. Many cases also due VR. There are cases of people running multuple external HDD also kena. And also streamers who uses multiple cameras.

So that is why changing pcie gen4 to gen3 works for some people. And lowering RAM OC too for some cases. A quick google and it’s actually quite a huge sample size and had been happening for quite a long while.

So it’s a lurking issue and just waiting for a right situation to happen. That’s why this reddit acknowledgement from AMD came out mainly asking for hardware specs from affected users. Which also means this issue wont be fixed that soon.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Feb 22 2021, 12:17 PM

yeap.. that could be the reason. That’s why AMD asking for hardware specs and USB devices used. Since now only ask means the fix will take a while.

Now i feel quite dumb for changing so many hardware trying to solve this issue

apparently it also happens on specific ports. and it could be under certain conditions too... like during higher cpu/gpu loads.

But yeah best not to trigger it if it’s running fine, else will create some sort of paranoid haha.

It’s more of an AMD power management issue which is probably related to the USB issue... there’s a bigger picture rather than just a USB issue actually. Because it is also related to the PCIE, Ram and SATA, been giving me alot of headache when i was on ryzen. Never had such problem after moving to intel.

Now im interested to see how many more issues will appear since this has started to get noticed and people will most likely probe into this matter.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Feb 22 2021, 09:01 PM

wasnt talking about your problem but to john's USB wifi and power management problem about USB suspend settings with ryzen... it's a common workaround to Ryzen's USB dropping off.

Jangan shyok sendiri.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Feb 23 2021, 12:33 AM

And his problem is with AMD not intel. And Im giving him an insight because I have had that problem on 3 AMD rigs. But FYI, not on my new intel rig.