Hi Jin ,

The centre zone of this 2,000 km oil is not darkened , and it is transparent ... which is good news .

However, there is clear emergence of darkened shape of aureole zone/perimeter ring indicating coagulation/agglomeration of combustion by-products and/or detergency/dispersancy properties of Syntium 5W30 begins to breakdown ....
which is harmless for now but it is something one needs to closely monitor its further development .

Diffusion zone is clean and transparent indicating quite low levels of contaminants/dirt .

Absence of darkened jagged edge indicates absence of water moisture in this 2,000 km sample, as it should be .

There is slight signs of fuel dilution with 'shallow' halo at the outermost zone , probably due to short trips or the cold blotter sample was taken after a short drive .

Overall, this used oil has plenty of life left , despite emergence of darkened aureole zone/perimeter ring and it is good for continuing service in the City IMO .

This post has been edited by zeng: Feb 15 2021, 12:53 PM

If this oil from Paulhew has FR (meaning with Ford Renault Approvals), which I think is likely , then it has higher specification requirement than Jin's basic API SN specs oil .

Nope, the Syntium 3000 and also the 3000SE are basically identical blend which is of lower specification that the FR.

But I think the 3000 is sufficient for my car's usage (Honda City).

Inspira 2.0, 170k km
Oil blotter is 10.3k km. Should be 3 days old, or more as I forgot about it.
SHU 5w-40. Bought from. Local hypermarket, T o H, can't remember too.
Added about 300ml of Shell Rimula 15w-40 as it needs more than 4L of lube.

Not sure what's the black dots is from the engine, or anything under my driver seat. I placed the blotter paper there.
Will try another blotter to verify before oil change.

What do u think about this image?



This post has been edited by ahsam1212: Feb 18 2021, 12:38 AM

Hi Bro,

Not sure which particular black dots you are refering to , but it appears on the upper half of the blotter spot there are like 3 unbroken lines (or is it 2 ?) that were 'touching' supports from below the paper placements during the duration of dispersion of oil deposits/spots ...........
which is something to be avoided for 'perfection' but no harm in a way .

There is absence of darkened centre zone and it is transparent , which is good news .

The aureole zone/perimeter ring is very vaguely/mildly darkened and is hard to identidy .....,
which is good news too .

Overall , there is no agglomeration of combustion by products or commencement of breakdown of detergency/dispersancy properties of this 10.3k km shu 5W40 used oil .

Not sure if the 300 ml of HDEO Rimula 15W40 has made any contribution to the above blotter with its stronger detergency/dispersancy properties in typical HDEO .

The diffussion zone is clean and light coloured , indicating quite low level of contaminants .

External jagged edge is only very vaguely and slightly darkened indicating lower levels of water moisture contamination for this 10.3k km used oil, but water moisture there is .

No signs of translucent halo at the outermost zone indicating fuel dilution phenomenon is absent , probably from your appropriate pattern of running this Inspira 2.0L around town .

IMHO, this cocktail of SHU 5W40 with 300 ml of Rimula 15W40 at 10.3k km mileage is still serviceable and good to go , if you're comfortable about extending it .

This post has been edited by zeng: Feb 18 2021, 11:38 AM

Yeah, a basic SN/SM/SL would have been adequately specified* by Asian/Jap OEMs like Honda etc whereby an ACEA or Ford/Renault/MB/VW approvals would not be required and unneccessary , if and only if Ford/Renault approved oils cost one a lot more with low availability ..............
which being in Klang valley it isn't true as far as I am concerned, whether or not there are online promotional offers or otherwise .

*Edit :
In the context of conservative OEM recommended oil change intervals .

This post has been edited by zeng: Feb 18 2021, 02:44 PM

Thanks for the explanation. Just ignore the top 2/3 horizontal lines as it's something printed behind the paper. Overall, I see the engine is still in healthy state.

Mostly gentle drive, n some highway cruise 120-130kmh. Maybe it doesn't kill the EO in a fast way.
Mostly longer trips, 40km.

I would normally change out the oil for peace of mind.
Next engine oil will be using 4L Total 7000, 10w-40 n 300ml Rimula 15w-40. Left over HDEO....just put it in. Don't own a diesel car any more.

This post has been edited by ahsam1212: Feb 18 2021, 10:28 PM

I think this Total 7000 10W40 should do 10k km no sweat .
An HDEO such as Rimula 15W40 may also be good enough for 10k km OCI in an Inspira 2.0L , imo .

Edit

This post has been edited by La2yboy: Mar 5 2021, 11:55 PM

After 2,243 km, the oil still looking great. How much is this Aisin FS oil?

about RM130 from shopee after some shopee coin redeem

Honda City GM2 year 2009
Current Odo : 139,832km
Date: 03/03/2021
Blotter time : 8:00pm (picture after 36hrs)
oil age : 2,243km
Engine oil used : Aisin Engine Oil Fully Synthetic with Pao + Ester SN/CF 5W30 (4L)



This post has been edited by 90Boyz: Mar 5 2021, 11:56 PM

Hi Bro,

There is complete absence of 'structures' like darkened/grayed centre zone; aureole zone/perimeter ring; grayed diffussion zone etc ......
which is good news.

There is also absence of darkened jagged external edge (indicating absence of water moisture) and absence of translucent halo around the outermost zone indicating absence of fuel dilution phenomenon.

This engine appears to be very well maintained and it has excellent mechanical condition IMHO.

In short, this 2243 km used Aisin PAO 5W30 is good to go on for sometime to come.

Besides, this oil claims as a mid-SaPS with PAO and/or Ester and it has superior base oil qualities, it is likely to perform equally well as this 12,000 km blotter spot test of @speedy3210, never mind that it is without Euro OEM approvals like MB229.51/52 consequential from selection of additive package etc.


Note:
Post #1 in this thread has more blotter spot test samples in other engine types of quite similar oils for comparison.

This post has been edited by zeng: Mar 6 2021, 11:48 AM

Hi zeng
Total car mileage 13x,000km
Oil mileage slightly more than 3k km
24 hours blotter after a short drive.
Oil age: 1 year.
Liqui moly 5w30 fully syn from shopee paul hew.



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Hi Bro,

I suppose this engine is Honda City?

Liqui Moly has 18 'models' of 5W30, mind sharing which one is yours?

There is kind of absence of 'structures' such as centre zone, aureole zone/perimeter ring, diffusion zone, darkened jagged external edge etc, which spells good news in tip top condition of this 1 yr 3k km used 5W30 LM engine oil.

However there is presence of translucent halo at the outermost zone indicating fuel dilution phenomenon in this 1 year 3k km very low usage oil which would be 'supposedly' bad as it promotes corrosion wear.

This IMHO is irrelevant and harmless by looking at the blotter spot test image, an opinion which may be verified with a paid high rm UOA which I personally deem unnecessary for our context.

Overall, I would consider this 1 year 3k km used LM 5W30 of very low contaminants/dirt levels as fit for continuing service in the engine.....
dismissing the myth of 1 year oil life limit on engine oil in use as propagated online every so often by .......

This post has been edited by zeng: Mar 13 2021, 10:53 AM

The exact engine oil is this one
https://shopee.com.my/product/19534140/5592...32-1615604613.9

Thanks for the feedback. When i purchased this EO, my intention is to test it out properly and decide if i should stick with this EO but then mco kicks in. Hence the 3k km in one year. I only drove interstate once in this year. Most drive is within 5km aka neighbourhood run.

I dont think i tested out the EO properly for a conclusion.
The idea was to change it at least a year once but a bit occupied to make oil change with my trusted workshop as i intend to make some other parts changes too. Maybe ill delay the oil change a bit more.

This post has been edited by cempedaklife: Mar 13 2021, 11:08 AM

bro zeng

Hilux Revo 2.4G Auto 2019
Fuel: Diesel Euro 5
Odo: 30,606km
Oil: Helix Protect 0W-30 API SN Plus, ACEA A3/B4
Oil age: 4,810km

Driving condition: 50% tarmac 50% off-road, mostly continuous 6-8 hours journey
Off-road condition: Hilly, muddy, dusty, occasional water crossing (depends on weather)

The oil sample was taken hot right after 6 hours journey, 2 hours tarmac 4 hours off-road

Can I chime in as a fellow diesel owner as well. I think since you off-road quite a lot, you should probably look to replace your oil by engine-hours instead of mileage. I don't know if Hilux has a setting for you to see how many hours have you run your engine. I would use 200 engine-hours as a baseline and adjust from there.

Diesel oil blotter test quite easy to see because soot loading is normally the first thing that destroys the oil. Your oil don't look too dirty or sooty (not very dark in color, only light gray color) but its dispersancy is starting to fail (apparent dark ring in the middle because it's not a true diesel oil with high detergents and dispersants. It's a good gasoline/petrol oil by Shell that can also be used in diesel cars. But your car is also probably still under warranty so cannot use other oils.

Perhaps you can monitor for another 1500km + recheck with blotter test

This post has been edited by e-lite: Apr 28 2021, 10:48 PM

Hi bro,

Thanks for uploading your blotter spot test images.

There is a shade of gray/dark-gray in the centre zone, indicating presence of some heavy particles not being dispersed outwards away from centre zone.

Looks like aureole zone/darkened perimeter ring is about to emerge and being formed, indicating commencement of agglomeration of quite big/heavy particles. Is the detergency/dispersancy properties of this Shell Helix Protect fully synthetic 0W30 struggling with 4810 km usage , albeit with some off-road application?? IDK.

The diffusion zone is clear and not grayish, which is a good news IF there isn't much dirt particles to disperse to begin with.

However do note Diesel engines are typically prone to soot production, question being may be this 2019 Hilux Revo Diesel engine is so good that it releases very little soot in relative terms vs others? IDK.

There is absence of jagged darkened edge surrounding the diffusion zone, indicating absence of water moisture (at 4810 km usage and 8 hour drive probably).

No signs of translucent halo at the outermost zone indicating absence of diesel fuel dilution phenomenon.

Overall, I believe this 4810 km Helix Protect 0W30 is fit for continuing service.

My concern for now is to monitor very very closely the conditions of centre zone AND aureole zone/perimeter ring as well as diffusion zone.

Edit: Is this Shell Helix Protect fully synthetic 0W30 SN+ A3B4(?) really a diesel engine oil??

This post has been edited by zeng: Apr 29 2021, 01:16 PM

Thanks bro for your suggestions. And no, Hilux don't have engine-hours monitoring stuff. And btw, I've been servicing the car myself since new, personal choice I guess, hahah. They use 15W-40 API CI-4 at Toyota service centre if I'm not mistaken. And before this, I've used these diesel specific engine oil with normal diesel fuel:


CRB Mini Truck 15W-40 API CH-4 (Mineral)


Shell Rimula R4X 15W-40 API CI-4 (Mineral)


Caltex Delo Sports 15W-40 API CI-4 (Semi Synthetic)


Valvoline Power Commonrail 10W-30 API CI-4 (Semi Synthetic)


Caltex Delo 400 MGX 15W-40 API CJ-4 (Mineral)
I haven't tried this oil, but this one has a heavenly review from the off-road otais

I've been using these oil cuz it these were recommended by off-road otais in my area, and they say no need to use Euro 5 cuz it's like using Ron 97 in kancil.. But as I read more about it, the difference between normal diesel & Euro 5 is the sulfur content, in short, "cleaner" diesel..

From my observation, at 5000km, these oil tend to show soot "particles", by particles I mean something like a full-stop sized particles, too bad I don't have pictures to show..

Fuel economy increased drastically moving from API CH-4 Castrol Mini Truck to API CI-4 oil, Rimula R4X & Delo Sports was good, the worse is Valvoline Power Commonrail, noticeably heavier engine when reaching 5000km & there's "chunks" of things in the oil when drained, not particles, chunks..

And I was planning to try full synthetic HDEO like Shell Rimula R6 LM 10W-40 API CK-4 or semi Shell Rimula R5 LE 10W-40 API CJ-4

But as I was researching for the oil, I stumbled upon BITOG forums that explains the difference between light duty diesel engine oil & diesel HDEO, regarding RPM load, additives effect on catalytic converter, turbo lubrication etc.. This leads to the decision to follow manufacturer's recommendation on using ACEA B class engine oil, and at about 4810 km, the oil looks like this

not bad in my opinion, no full-stop sized soot particles, just fine-sized ones..

First time using ACEA B class oil btw