If can't get 4.0, put UMS or UNIMAS as your first choise when you apply for university.... If you lucky you might get a chance...

Hmm I guess I can try that but if it gets too complicated then I'll just stick to really basic knowledge



Thank you, that's what I thought



Yup, that's exactly what I meant.

I just want to make sure that I'm not thinking too highly of what a doctor's life would be like I understand that we probably won't get whatever they explain, but I think to witness those events would be enough. If possible it would be nice to watch the healing process take its course Thanks for letting me know about the two students.

I don't expect to do any medical procedures at all! I'll try my luck at both GPs/hospitals.. and go for whichever lets me (if either one does). It's okay if that's all we have to do

Thanks a lot. (I'm applying by UCAS now)

3. Yeah. A good chance it gonna break the bank but I think about only applying just to let my parent know I try to get into the place. Going there is a different matter.
5. I'm gunning for UKM now as UIA is not recognized. Is >3.5 do any good for Med,Pharma,Dentistry?


Actually even in les demanded couse like engineering have many opportunity like my bro who study in Edinburgh. Medicine etc. is a globally in great need as population
is increasing. Just so you know, hospital in UK's have a lot of foreigner.


Another thing, is that mean I should apply for IMU since PMU not recognized? How good is IMU like its tweening partner.

IMU has many, many twinning partners A total of 27!

13 of those are in the UK:

* University of Aberdeen
* University of Dundee
* University of Edinburgh
* University of Glasgow
* University of Leeds
* University of Leicester
* University of Liverpool
* University of Manchester
* Queen's University of Belfast, Nothern Ireland
* University of Southampton
* St George's, University of London
* University of Strathclyde
* University of Keele

You can find the complete list here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International...ical_University

limeuu was right, u r naive.

This post has been edited by wgy589: Jan 7 2009, 08:40 PM

I heard rumors that FRCP and MRCP are not going to be recognize by our government in future. Means if we we want to further study speciaist the only way in Malaysia is go into government uni.

Is that true? I heard from my seniors....

It is a bit more common than what most people thinks. Let me make this clear: no one comes to Malaysia actually study. It is always a backdoor by 3rd world countries to the western world. I have met Mainland Chinese who went to Inti, Namibians (?) who did a Diploma in Taylors, before coming to Australia/NZ.

And take a look at the number of Singaporeans in IMU. The fact still remains, these are the people who did not, or could not have, got direct entry into the medical university of their choice.

What interests me is that Ibrahimovic states that he has been studying in M'sia for his whole life, which means he's not just another one who's merely here for tertiary education like most foreigners do. The fact is that there are more Chinese/Indonesians (not forgetting our own people esp Johoreans) spending their childhood in Singapore to receive basic and later tertiary education, rather than making Malaysia their preferred destination.

Your example of foreigners coming to Malaysia to gain entry to first world countries is indeed not a surprise. However, Singaporeans in IMU are a new thing for me. During my time over there I didn't exactly meet many of them - Malaysians who studied primary/secondary school in Singapore are pretty common, but not Singaporeans who came over to IMU for pre-clinical years. My experience is that Singaporeans who failed to receive entry to NUS will often go directly to overseas rather than choose to do so via Malaysia/IMU as a temporary gateway.

However, it's been nearly 3 years since I've left IMU so things could have changed drastically by now.

This post has been edited by StarGhazzer: Jan 8 2009, 06:05 PM

Yep, just so you know EVERY person I met since Form 1 ask me the same question. Its because my father operate a clinic here in Johor, so he thought its best to kept most of my siblings here. While it is undeniable that Sinapore education quality is far higher than Malaysia, it still come down to the individual itself. I know for a fact that I'm better than most of my Singapore-educated cousin as I put education as my top priority than entertainment.

I have abandon my quest to send an application to UCAS after convincing my parent that IMU have a cheaper tuition and also get a twinning with UK as well.

Got a question, do IMU student study in Malaysia the first 2 years before do the >3 year in UKs? Is IMU cost ~300k INCLUDING twinning cost? Do the twinning to UKs etc. is guarenteed is passed?

I planning to go to IMU in Feb 2010 as I think I might not be able to attend the interview in August intake (National Service's BMT...)


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IMU and PMU not recognized by Singapore Medical Council

Ok I just receive my enquiry I made to SMC by email



Ok just a minute ago I wanted to go to IMU, now its been crushed. I thought IMU is recognize as I went to a Singapore forum which said the same thing(http://forums.studentdoctor.net/archive/index.php/t-459969.html).

Damnnn.....
Why don't they recognize going to reputable twinning to UKs..........

HELP.........

This post has been edited by Ibrahimovic: Jan 9 2009, 02:18 AM

The local degrees, e.g. IMU completed in seremban are not recognized but if you match with a UK university you should have no problem securing a spot in Singapore because you'll be awarded a UK degree. Trust me, the Singapore government has been sending their representatives to recruit IMU-PMS students every year for the last 2 1/2 years I've been here

If you want to remain in the UK thats another story because of the new work restrictions in place. For my batch matching to an Australia University was more competitive.

If you have any questions you should try and visit the University or talk to the Students affairs department (ask for May Kuan); that way you can also take a look at some of the new nice buildings and halls. At the rate they are going, I think the construction won't be finish until 2011

Good on you to prioritise on your education, but I still don't think anyone should be too cocky about being "better" than others. Humility is a vital aspect of being in the medical profession.

Anyway, OmniAtlas has explained the IMU-UK Twinning programme as below, so I'll leave this one out. There's no guarantee that you'll be matched to your preferred university be it UK, NZ, Australia etc. No one really knows how the matching process is being conducted despite a short briefing given to students (which doesn't make any sense anyway), and I doubt there's any transparency in it. Just do your best in your studies and pray really hard so that you'll win the russian roulette.

IMU's still building the extensions? Which part are they building now? The admin block which takes up the place of the previous flagpole area should have been completed by now. Unless they are refurbishing the interior of the old building, which at times seem old, creaky, and sometimes leaking when it pours.

Just to side track a bit, is the "hawker centre" in front of Vista B still around? Or has the local council shut them down after complaints were lodged last year?

all the information about imu is available in the website, and also flyers freely available when you visit.......

there is no fixed fees, as the actual fees you will eventually need to pay depends on which uni you eventually partner to........

however, the 5 sem in bukit jalil is relatively fixed, currently at about rm29k/sem...........

the MAIN disadvantage of the imu-pms system, is the UNCERTAINTY of where you will eventually end up.........which you will only know late into the end of sem 5..........like said, the matching exercise is shrouded in secrecy, nobody really knows how it is worked out........explanation about ranking and computer matching is just hocus pocus......

like i said elsewhere, getting jobs in uk beyond the foundation years is going to be nigh impossible under current laws.......

and finally, i cringe whenever i see people say 'i plan to study medicine in xx or yy uni in zz year'........you don't select the med school, they will select you.......and although the entry cutoff is very low for imu (even lower for pmc), no one can say he will qualify until he gets his results.......

humility is a virtue.........

OH so you mean twinning is not guaranteed. Well this is one gamble I could take after finish up NS in Spore. Maybe I could work in Malaysia if I could not get a twinning.
But what your guess on percentage of student getting either UKs or Australia rather than staying up in Bukit Jalil(its possible *NOT* to go to twinning), Indon or India?


Well, I do sound cocky, but I just quoted some teacher,lecturer, and motivational speaker that come to or school 5 times a year since Form 1. They just kept repeating it over and over again...

Is IMU building really bad?..

Nah, I think about working in Spore or Msia as I can't get away from our Nasi Lemak and Roti Canai.
So if the fee is fix , is there chance that the whole 5 year including maybe a twinning in Australia cost below 450k?

Anyway,I just started reading Davidson's Principles and Practice of Medicine(its dang thick), but do I suppose to read anatomy fist? My dad got quite a few book on medicine here. Hopefully got some understanding of it by next year.

This post has been edited by Ibrahimovic: Jan 9 2009, 11:55 AM

i think you have not understood at all what we have been saying, and the facts about the 2 streams of medical programme imu offers........these facts are all available on the imu website.......it is not that hard to understand........really.......

i just told you the fees depends on which twinned med school one goes to, and NOT fixed........

i would advise against blindly reading your father's medical books........serves no purpose....

lol, they've spent millions upgrading EVERY floor of the bukit jalil building. CSU has now expanded 3 times its size because they are planning to open a clinic within IMU for the community. The PBL rooms have expanded vastly and some of them have LCD/TVs in them (powerpoint presentation?). The second floor where the deans office is looks like as if you've waltz into a hotel. The library has now combined with the medical museum and nearly takes up the whole of the 3rd floor along with a cafe(!) where you can get your daily caffeine fix inside the library. They've tripled the number of computer labs. It looks hell of a lot better (everything is brand new) then when i first joined. I heard they will be renovating the carpark and converting the whole floor to a student center. They've fixed most of the toilets and repainted (so very important).

The new extension has yet to be completed -- with the exception of the cafeteria being placed there (temp).

Hmm, I didn't stay in Vista but I don't see the hawker center around very often while I went for classes.

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Added on January 9, 2009, 1:39 pmYou could try doing an additional medical science research degree (B.Med Sci) at IMU -- 1 additional year after your first 2 1/2 years after IMU. If you get into the program you'l'l be guaranteed a spot in Queensland (2 year program). That makes it considerably cheaper then the other schools that range from 3-3.5 additional years.

I wouldn't bother reading Davidsons, etc..you'll have all your time in medschool to do that Just focus on your studies right now and do well in them.

This post has been edited by OmniAtlas: Jan 9 2009, 01:44 PM

guaranteed?........i don't think so.......uq requirement is that the student must poccess a prior degree before entering the medical programme, as it is a graduate entry programme......could be any degree......

and it could be 2 or 3 years depending on how well you do in the phase 1.......

nevertheless, i wonder how many people actually twin to uq......they have 12 slots/batch.......the highest number of any partner oz uni.......

Heres the deal with queensland -- if you already have a degree, you can do 2 1/2 years at IMU, then jump straight to the clinical years -- so its 2.5 + 2 years = 4.5 years total

If you don't previously have a degree, you have to do 2 1/2 years at IMU, apply for the B Med Sci. program (1 extra year at IMU) and then enter into the 2 year Queensland clinical program -- so its 2.5 + 1 + 2 = 5.5 years total

You are right that there are only about ~12 slots / batch -- and it is quite competitive so those that get selected for the B Med program are quite intelligence.

Guaranteed is in as long as you don't fail, then you'll get in, but that is highly unlikely -- I don't think there have been any IMU students rejected as of yet.

only? that's the biggest of all oz unis.....

unsw, utas, newcastle has only 3 slots each.......

Yeah that's true

Don't remind me of those crappy motivational talks. They do nothing but con my money as they are deemed compulsory by the school.

Don't expect to pay less than RM450K to gain your basic MBBS if you decide to go to Australia. It just ain't going to happen, Aussie tertiary education doesn't come cheap and they tend to increase on a yearly basis. Throw in the overseas living costs and your overall expenses in Bukit Jalil and you'll realise that 450K is absolutely inadequate.

Give IMU a call and ask them for the latest tuition fees for their partner medical schools. Bear in mind that by the time you complete your pre-clinical years it's probably much higher than the current fees. To play it safe, add an annual 5-10% increment and you'll get a rough idea of the tuition fees, EXCLUDING the living costs and miscellaneous stuff you'll need when you're overseas.

OMFG... Reading Davidson's even before you entered med school. Can you do us a favour, and play as much as possible for the time being? You'll have shit loads of chances later to read Davidson's once you get enrolled.

So that's where my money went... lol IMU is becoming a luxurious campus instead of the worn out, leaky, smelly shack previously known as Wisma Komanwel. Triple the com labs, that couldn't come any sooner. But LCDs and TVs in PBL rooms are kinda redundant eh? Might as well put PCs there instead - we have Macs in every PBL room over here in Melb. Then again, who the heck does powerpoint presentations for every PBL? Rajinnya...

The community clinic is a good idea as it will service the Bukit Jalil area and provide some clinical experience for medical, pharmacy, and nursing students. Hopefully the various clinics in Sri Petaling won't mind the competition hehe...