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TSjacky91
post Jan 10 2017, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ Jan 10 2017, 11:24 AM)
Bro, got consider princess cut? It costs less per carat compared to round brilliants.

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erm...nvr really thought about it...always looking for round cut hahaha

JamesAllen deliver to SG only sad.gif Malaysia lousy xD

but i like that they have 24/7 support...whiteflash need to rely on their customer service working hour...which is kind of a disaster
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post Jan 10 2017, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 11:33 AM)
erm...nvr really thought about it...always looking for round cut hahaha

JamesAllen deliver to SG only sad.gif Malaysia lousy xD

but i like that they have 24/7 support...whiteflash need to rely on their customer service working hour...which is kind of a disaster
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Do consider princess cut bro. Those good ones are as brilliant as a round diamond bro, but cost less. You can use the balance to up your carat weight.

You can always deliver to Singapore and ask your friend to pass you the diamond. No problem wan. But will kena 7% GST lahh haha.

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post Jan 10 2017, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ Jan 10 2017, 11:40 AM)
Do consider princess cut bro. Those good ones are as brilliant as a round diamond bro, but cost less.
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hmmm...i try to look around as well biggrin.gif
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post Jan 10 2017, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 11:40 AM)
hmmm...i try to look around as well biggrin.gif
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kambingkoh
post Jan 10 2017, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 11:33 AM)
erm...nvr really thought about it...always looking for round cut hahaha

JamesAllen deliver to SG only sad.gif Malaysia lousy xD

but i like that they have 24/7 support...whiteflash need to rely on their customer service working hour...which is kind of a disaster
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Try using their online chat instead of email. They were pretty responsive when I last bought there. My first reply from their online chat was actually from their CEO herself. ohmy.gif
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post Jan 10 2017, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 10 2017, 01:45 PM)
Try using their online chat instead of email. They were pretty responsive when I last bought there. My first reply from their online chat was actually from their CEO herself. ohmy.gif
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cannot leh...every time i try using their online chat...they ask me to fill in form...then will get back to me...timing not ngam..haha

anyway...so now onward i should be looking for diamond which scored "None" in fluorescence right? what about clarity characteristics?
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post Jan 10 2017, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 01:47 PM)
cannot leh...every time i try using their online chat...they ask me to fill in form...then will get back to me...timing not ngam..haha

anyway...so now onward i should be looking for diamond which scored "None" in fluorescence right? what about clarity characteristics?
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Hmm, strange. Okay, will check with them and see.

Diamond "none" in fluorescence is preferred of course.

Other clarity characteristics you may read from here:
http://beyond4cs.com/grading/clarity-chara...-of-inclusions/

Personally, I don't know much about clarity. But then, I know that PinPoint & Cloud appear most of the time on a grading report. So I guess having those should be fine. A lot of people will worry about Feather (a crack) because scare that it might cause durability issue, but then, my personal opinion is that as long as it is within VS clarity group (VS1/VS2), it should be fine. If the feather is near the edge, I would personally prefer VS1 clarity for safety, given a choice.

Clarity lowest I will go personally will be VS2. Try to aim for VS1 if possible. My diamond is VS2 but it is eye-clean, all ACAs are eye-clean, but of course, eye-clean is subjective - different vendors, different standards, and mind you, eye-clean usually will only take into consideration when looking face-up. If you look very closely, as in the diamond right in front of you, then you may see inclusions, even for a VS2, or when you look at the side, you may also see some inclusions, especially reflector type of inclusions. Diamonds are made of reflection facets, so one inclusion may look like a lot of inclusions because it gets reflected here and there:

Read:
http://beyond4cs.com/clarity/examples-of-eye-clean-diamonds/
http://www.prosumerdiamonds.com/diamond-clarity/

Easiest way is to always check with your seller for the images. Tell you a lot info other than what is shown on report. thumbup.gif
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post Jan 10 2017, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 10 2017, 03:38 PM)
Hmm, strange. Okay, will check with them and see.

Diamond "none" in fluorescence is preferred of course.

Other clarity characteristics you may read from here:
http://beyond4cs.com/grading/clarity-chara...-of-inclusions/

Personally, I don't know much about clarity. But then, I know that PinPoint & Cloud appear most of the time on a grading report. So I guess having those should be fine. A lot of people will worry about Feather (a crack) because scare that it might cause durability issue, but then, my personal opinion is that as long as it is within VS clarity group (VS1/VS2), it should be fine. If the feather is near the edge, I would personally prefer VS1 clarity for safety, given a choice.

Clarity lowest I will go personally will be VS2. Try to aim for VS1 if possible. My diamond is VS2 but it is eye-clean, all ACAs are eye-clean, but of course, eye-clean is subjective - different vendors, different standards, and mind you, eye-clean usually will only take into consideration when looking face-up. If you look very closely, as in the diamond right in front of you, then you may see inclusions, even for a VS2, or when you look at the side, you may also see some inclusions, especially reflector type of inclusions. Diamonds are made of reflection facets, so one inclusion may look like a lot of inclusions because it gets reflected here and there:

Read:
http://beyond4cs.com/clarity/examples-of-eye-clean-diamonds/
http://www.prosumerdiamonds.com/diamond-clarity/

Easiest way is to always check with your seller for the images. Tell you a lot info other than what is shown on report.  thumbup.gif
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Hmmm...i am now checking on JamesAllen, they have the image of the diamond itself...make things easier...but ASET and IdealScope image is kinda hard to get...loll
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post Jan 10 2017, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 03:48 PM)
Hmmm...i am now checking on JamesAllen, they have the image of the diamond itself...make things easier...but ASET and IdealScope image is kinda hard to get...loll
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Can always ask for ASET and IdealScope. wink.gif You can also go and look at WhiteFlash ACA or BGD Signature/Black Series and check our theirs, and get a rough idea what you should be looking for.

You may also check-out http://highperformancediamonds.com/. Their signature is called "Crafted by Infinity". http://highperformancediamonds.com/educati...inity-diamonds/

I don't know whether they ship to Malaysia or not, but I was amazed by their name. Lol. Todd Gray from www.niceice.com is affiliated with this company. He is also affiliated with James Allen and Brian Gavin. I think he will be the best person to check things out. You may find him on his website by sending in your request. He will respond to you after that. I have been asking questions ever since I check things out with him.

Just enjoy the process! biggrin.gif
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post Jan 10 2017, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 10 2017, 04:03 PM)
Can always ask for ASET and IdealScope. wink.gif You can also go and look at WhiteFlash ACA or BGD Signature/Black Series and check our theirs, and get a rough idea what you should be looking for.

You may also check-out http://highperformancediamonds.com/. Their signature is called "Crafted by Infinity". http://highperformancediamonds.com/educati...inity-diamonds/

I don't know whether they ship to Malaysia or not, but I was amazed by their name. Lol. Todd Gray from www.niceice.com is affiliated with this company. He is also affiliated with James Allen and Brian Gavin. I think he will be the best person to check things out. You may find him on his website by sending in your request. He will respond to you after that. I have been asking questions ever since I check things out with him.

Just enjoy the process! biggrin.gif
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haha! thanks for sharing new information again xD

will check him out!
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post Jan 10 2017, 06:22 PM

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Guys, need some advice here...if I buy from JamesAllen and send it to Singapore...the tax amount I would need to pay is USD 85.05 (estimation)...after that when i bring back into Malaysia...do I need to pay again?

looking at this...https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=5236538119
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post Jan 10 2017, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 10 2017, 03:38 PM)
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Personally, I don't know much about clarity. But then, I know that PinPoint & Cloud appear most of the time on a grading report. So I guess having those should be fine. A lot of people will worry about Feather (a crack) because scare that it might cause durability issue, but then, my personal opinion is that as long as it is within VS clarity group (VS1/VS2), it should be fine. If the feather is near the edge, I would personally prefer VS1 clarity for safety, given a choice.

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Not all cloud inclusions are OK. Transparent or semi transparent clouds are fine but not dark clouds. They will appear as a clump of dark stuff when you look closely from the top.
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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 06:22 PM)
Guys, need some advice here...if I buy from JamesAllen and send it to Singapore...the tax amount I would need to pay is USD 85.05 (estimation)...after that when i bring back into Malaysia...do I need to pay again?

looking at this...https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=5236538119
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From my experience, if you enter via the Woodlands route, Malaysian custom won't check your baggage if you do not carry big bags. They will just let you through after your passport scan without any inspections. But this is not the case via the Tuas route. Every traveller has to scan his bags regardless of size. Even ladies handbags they also tak lepas haha.

I don't know why this happens haha. So it is advisable to cross over via Woodlands.
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QUOTE(bb100 @ Jan 10 2017, 07:51 PM)
From my experience, if you enter via the Woodlands route, Malaysian custom won't check your baggage if you do not carry big bags. They will just let you through after your passport scan without any inspections. But this is not the case via the Tuas route. Every traveller has to scan his bags regardless of size. Even ladies handbags they also tak lepas haha.

I don't know why this happens haha. So it is advisable to cross over via Woodlands.
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Hmm...i try ask my friend which route he use first...hehe thank biggrin.gif
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post Jan 10 2017, 10:25 PM

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Not all cloud inclusions are OK. Transparent or semi transparent clouds are fine but not dark clouds. They will appear as a clump of dark stuff when you look closely from the top.
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Thanks for the tips. wink.gif Do these dark clouds appear in VS1? If so, will they affect much?
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this thread is good. i was planning to get a diamond ring for the proposal too.

please advice me on how to find a good ring. my budget max is around rm 6000.

i been looking on Hemera Poh Kong but still seeing if any other place got better quality but around that price
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Mind me asking, how much do you guys spend on wedding bands? Curious. Thanks
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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 10 2017, 10:25 PM)
Thanks for the tips. wink.gif Do these dark clouds appear in VS1? If so, will they affect much?
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Yes, they do if you are unlucky haha. But since it is a VS1, the cloud will be very small and will not be visible to the naked eye.
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post Jan 11 2017, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(tabs @ Jan 10 2017, 11:05 PM)
this thread is good. i was planning to get a diamond ring for the proposal too.

please advice me on how to find a good ring. my budget max is around rm 6000.

i been looking on Hemera Poh Kong but still seeing if any other place got better quality but around that price
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May I know what are the specs and price like for Hemera?

As far as I know, Hemera is 101 facets (Modified Modern Round Brilliant) instead of the traditional 57 facets. According to what I read, extra facets can create more brilliance and scintillation (sparkle), but at the expense of fire (dispersion). Read:
1. http://www.heartsonfire.com/guidance/words...erformance.aspx
2. http://niceice.com/what-is-the-sparkliest-diamond-cut/

If you prefer 57 facets (Standard Modern Round Brilliant) and max budget is around RM 6000, you may be able to get:
1. 0.40ct E VS2 from Tailored Jewel, together with a 18K White Gold Setting. This will cost you RM 5900. Just search Tailored Jewel on Facebook. Do request for the GIA cert number first before making any purchase. With that, you are able to identify the proportions of the diamond. Also, request for the Hearts and Arrows images from him as well. He is able to provide it. Do request for ASET and IdealScope images because they will show you the performance in terms of light return.

Read:
http://beyond4cs.com/step-by-step-guide/ev...ith-idealscope/
http://beyond4cs.com/2014/12/aset-reference-charts/
http://beyond4cs.com/cut/difference-betwee...l-scope-images/

Usually, I noticed it is hard to get ideal proportions for promotion items as suggested by a lot online diamond education sites, but then, try ask for it. This is especially important for Crown and Pavilion angles:
http://niceice.com/diamond-buying-secrets/...buying-success/
Total depth between 59 – 61.8%
Table diameter between 53 – 58%
Crown angle between 34.3 – 34.9 degrees*
Pavilion angle between 40.6 – 40.9 degrees

Lower girdle facets between 75 – 78%**
Star facets between 45 – 50%***
Girdle thickness between thin and slightly thick
Culet: AGS pointed or GIA none

2. If you don't mind sacrificing weight to get super ideal cut (aka Hearts and Arrows), you may consider WhiteFlash A-Cut-Above series (ACA):
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For 0.3ct, after conversion and GST and ring setting from iDo Jewellery, you probably can get a F VS2 for around RM 5600, and a D VS1 for around RM 6500. Personally, I will got for D VS1 because although VS2 may be eye-clean, you might see the tiny inclusions if you inspect closely, especially if the inclusion gets reflected around within the diamond. Personally, I still think that VS2 will be give the best bang for the buck, so if the VS2 has inclusions that are hard to see really up-close and with a picky mindset, I may consider it. Anyway, once you wear it, or look at it like a normal person, it is very very rare that VS2 inclusions are noticeable.

For online shopping, you may try Brian Gavin (http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/) as well. It is similar to WhiteFlash. So I won't elaborate further on it. But do check it out do get a general idea.

3. If you prefer stores, you may visit Wah Chan or HABIB, both of them sell GIA graded diamonds and I heard that their price is quite competitive.

You can always do price research on those online stores (WhiteFlash, Brian Gavin, Audrey's -http://audreys.com.my/audreys/diamondsearch.php) and Facebook (ZCOVA, Eumayco, iDO Jewellery, Tailored Jewel).

Hope this helps and good luck!
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post Jan 11 2017, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(tjayy09 @ Jan 11 2017, 02:46 AM)
Mind me asking, how much do you guys spend on wedding bands? Curious. Thanks
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Between RM 4000 - RM 5000 for a pair at local jewellery store. Might get cheaper if you buy everything there - Engagement ring + wedding bands. You can also consider non-mainstream stores like Tailored Jewel or iDo Jewellery as well. Go search for them on Facebook and tell them your budget. smile.gif

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