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post Jan 6 2017, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 3 2017, 09:10 AM)
Hi guys,

Am currently searching for a proposal ring, budget around RM 6k to 7k biggrin.gif i know there are a lot of brands out there...but which 1 should I go for? What are the differences between them?

Also, i have never measured my gf's ring size...which finger should I measure for? How can I do it secretly?

Or can I buy the ring without knowing her ring size? Can I request to change it to different size later on?
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Ever thought of getting your diamond from JannPaul? A famous Singaporean brand. But before I go on any further, I would like to highlight the fact that I am not in any way affiliated with JannPaul.

I recently purchased a heart shaped diamond from them at an extremely satisfying price haha. Plus, they have a very interesting interest-free payment plan, whereby you can reserve a diamond for up to 6 months with a "downpayment" of S$500. Within this 6 months if you come across any better stones, you can request for their ASET, Idealscope, H&A and actual diamond images for free, and you can switch diamonds if you like what you see.

You can pay whatever amount you that are comfortable with every month, and they will hold your diamond until you fully settle the payment, be it 6 months, 8 months or whatever. I reserved my heart shape for S$500 in December and now I am waiting for my setting to be rendered (yes, that customised Verragio setting). I will pay again only when they call me over to discuss the ring design - maybe this month, maybe February, I don't know. I have also mentioned to them that I will only need my proposal ring in July so I will drag my payment over 7 months from Dec 16-Jul 17. They are ok with it haha. But before I finish paying, I cannot collect my ring lahh, that's the only downside.

Below are the drillz of the images I mentioned:

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 7 2017, 11:30 AM)
Thx for recommending bro biggrin.gif

i am currently checking out iDO...and calculating on my budget

not sure if i wanna spend so much money on the ring, because everyone i asked told me that the ring no need to be too expensive, as it got no resale value after buying...basically juz for collection...might as well use the money to plan for wedding ><
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Depends on how you see the ring lohh. For me, I see it as a one-in-a-lifetime kind of thing. Takkan you every year also buy >0.5 carat punya diamond ring for your wife right? Unless you are extremely loaded lahh then different story haha.
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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 7 2017, 11:39 AM)
hahaha! i wish i could...can afford maximum of 0.4 only sad.gif quotation from iDo is 7.7k MYR
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RM7,700 for the stone only or with the setting?

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 7 2017, 11:43 AM)
with the setting

http://www.idojewellery.com/product/rs-003/

18K White Gold Solitaire Ring
1D – 0.40ct
E, VS1
Triple Excellents
Ideal Cut
Fluorescence None
With GIA certificate
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Wow, that price is good! Go for it bro.

But before you agree on anything, check the light performance of the diamond. Do they have ASET scope in store? Don't take the 3Ex at face value bro, there are good and bad 3Exes out there. Do you mind sharing your diamond's GIA number with me?
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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 7 2017, 11:54 AM)
They don't have a physical shop though, so I can't really check out the light performance  hmm.gif but according to the reviews they got, all very positive

https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=2171945737 << not sure if this is wat u looking for
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You can try and request for the ASET image of your diamond. Like James Allen, they might have it on file.

This is the HCA score for your diamond, a healthy 1.9.

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Since budget is your main concern, I believe this is the most ideal range without sacrificing much on cut.

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QUOTE(jrrsim @ Jan 7 2017, 12:25 PM)
touche... but dunnit go for top grade la.. lowest quality that's indiscernible to the naked eye should be good enuf gua, if look yellow means too low grade d lo..
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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 7 2017, 12:48 PM)
Color - F / G should be good enough

Clarity - SI 1 or SI 2
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Colour can go down to H. If it is a finely cut stone, its fire and brilliance will mask the slightly yellowish tint.

SI1 or SI2 might be a bit risky if you are buying blind. Buying blind means you don't get to see and inspect your diamond under various scopes and conditions. Although some SIs can be eye-clean, they are categorised as a SI for a reason. It might be a feather near the edge (common for SIs), a huge cloud deeply embedded within the stone or whatever. So for safety, I would advise jrrsim to go VS2 lowest.

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Since budget is your main concern, SI1 or SI2 also ok lahh, but do check the type of inclusions. If it is a feather, check its location. If it is a cloud, check whether it is colourless. That sort of thing.

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QUOTE(jrrsim @ Jan 7 2017, 12:19 PM)
to girls, usually carat is important for face, the other C's important too?
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True to a certain extend. Why? Let me give you an example.

Your wife has a diamond ring with so-so cut, so-so clarity and so-so everything, but it is a 1-carat diamond. Her friend has a 0.8-carat ring with tiptop 3Ex, F colour and VS1 clarity. When they compare side by side, for sure your wife's 1 carat will own her friend's cuz it looks bigger and it hits the magic 1-carat number. But when they test for the bling-bling factor, that 1 carat with so-so cut will lose 9 street man cuz it is as good looking as a piece of glass.
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QUOTE(jrrsim @ Jan 7 2017, 05:11 PM)
i doubt girls will go home and bring out the diamond ring to compare gua after wedding.. some more after few months then usually cold storage liao..
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But you said carat is important for face mahh, so I thought your future wife likes to compare wan.

But still, don't go too stingy on cut just because you wanna maximise carat weight. Really not worth it one bro.
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QUOTE(jrrsim @ Jan 7 2017, 08:34 PM)
i wan something she is happy with without breaking the bank la pretty much.. not something to show off with but something that won't "lose face" also la if show to other ppl, if you know what i mean..

i don't wanna go too low also la but to me, the super excellent or "hearts and arrows" quality is an overkill since a typical person wouldn't know, usually the guy buying the wedding ring knows more and ends up paying more for nothing.. cos obviously not planning to ever sell the ring so dun care about resale value either..

tl;dr: just want something she will treasure without going overkill..
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Ok I understand.

Then my suggestion is to still go for a 3Ex stone but one which is at the lower end of the spectrum. They will still have the hearts and arrows formation, but with defects. Let me show you some images of such diamonds

The price per carat for these diamonds is much lower so you can maximise your carat weight.

Please hang on while I look for the images. Currently on the mobile version.

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https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/r...cut-sku-2358385

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https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/r...cut-sku-2382386

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https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/r...cut-sku-2226224

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https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/r...cut-sku-2325036

All these are slightly deep cut, so their face-up size will be smaller compared to a finely cut 3Ex, but they ARE STILL 3Exes. Also note the inclusions in the stones. This is roughly what you will get for a SI1 clarity diamond.

The 4th one is as eye-clean as it gets but there is a huge feather at the edge of the diamond on the top left. This will pose durability issues in the long run as your ring is subjected to occasional knocks here and there, which will propagate the feather on to the surface of the diamond. Once the stress is too much for it to handle, it will either form a crack on the surface or worse, chip off.

I am no way a diamond expert, only sharing the fruits of my research from the net and speaking to jewellers for nearly a year.

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QUOTE(jrrsim @ Jan 9 2017, 10:25 AM)
whoaa... thanks so much.. this is what I'm looking for, so any recommended sellers or where to find this acceptable quality of diamonds?
now i have learned a bit how to look at diamonds... hehe..
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James Allen is one of them. Their prices are quite good...but since the recent slump in MYR against the USD, I am afraid not any more.

You can try Tailored Jewel. They are a local jeweller who supply diamonds and do customisation as well. The boss punya contact is below:

Ethon Low
012-255 5866
ethonlow.wk@tailoredjewel.com
http://tailoredjewel.com/

Another one is Audrey Diamonds. But this one I have not tried so I can't provide any feedback. Maybe kambingkoh can comment a bit on Audrey's.

http://audreys.com.my/audreys/
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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 10 2017, 09:43 AM)
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Lastly, among all the stones you show me, I think this is the one I will buy myself personally. Since we are buying without actually looking into the real diamond, then all we can rely is the figures, and it will be best if we can verify our decision with the necessary images.

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Dude, this is dangerous! There is a term for this: buying blind. If the seller is not able to provide the scope images, I would not even waste time looking into its proportions.

The depth and table percentages, and crown and pavilion angles are only figures. They don't tell you as much as a scope image would.
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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 07:00 AM)
1179081040 <<< this  nod.gif
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The stone has faint fluorescence. Fluorescent diamonds usually cost less. Try and nego with the seller on this point. Maybe you can shave a few hundred off the listed price.
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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 10:06 AM)
This is actually from the WhiteFlash website. Emailed them for the images, but they replied with this: "This diamond is part of our virtual selection group so we would need payment to bring the diamond in for inspection and imaging."  sweat.gif
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This should not be the case. Pay first then only inspect? What if you are not satisfied with the outcome? Can do a full refund? Anyway, mind sharing the link to the diamond?


QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 10:06 AM)
Faint fluorescence is only much notifiable under UV light right?
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Yes, but it is still a fluorescent diamond regardless of strength. See this:

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Roughly 30% of diamonds fluoresce to some degree. Colorless (D-F) fluorescent diamonds sell at up to a 15% discount since the fluorescence is perceived as a defect.

http://www.lumeradiamonds.com/diamond-educ...nd-fluorescence

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 10:45 AM)
bb100 how do you check whether the diamond i listed got fluorescence?
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I have also noticed that your diamond has a feather inclusion. I might be one feather or a few feathers. Be careful, as the feather might be near to the edge of the stone.
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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 10:25 AM)
PM you the link for the diamond smile.gif

I don't understand how the fluorescent can affect the diamond though  rclxub.gif
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Ok, thanks for your PM.

Fluorescence is considered a defect, just like inclusions in a diamond. It is just that fluorescence is not categorised under the 4Cs. That's why people, especially sellers, seldom take it into consideration when evaluating the price of a diamond.

Ehh wait, your stone is sold by Whiteflash ahh? Like this mana boleh nego bro?
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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 10 2017, 10:48 AM)
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Don't bother getting GIA from them. It is not cheap on WhiteFlash. If you want GIA, JamesAllen got plenty of them for your viewing pleasure. But then, they do not ship to Malaysia. However, they do ship to Singapore, hence, if you are working there, or someone can get it back for you, then it is good. But please be reminded VAT may apply - SG is 7%.
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jacky91 I am working in Singapore bro.

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 11:04 AM)
Tu la...fixed price...now i headache adi...so many things to consider and price also need to control sad.gif
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It's never easy bro, especially now you are buying something for such an important event in your life! I did my research on diamonds for nearly one year bro, just to better equip myself from penipu scammers around. But my budget is flexible, so I have more freedom to play around with the specs. But that does not mean you can't get a beautiful stone with a limited budget bro, please don't get me wrong. Just that you need to source harder for the best deals.

Do not limit yourself only to online stores bro. Walk into local jewellery shops and start inquiring, maybe they can offer you something which you can't resist. But the downside is that most of them do not have ASET and Idealscope for you lohh.
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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 11:17 AM)
haha..agree..i might juz postpone my planning a bit late...to research/find the perfect diamond

now checking JamesAllen.
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Bro, got consider princess cut? It costs less per carat compared to round brilliants.

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 11:33 AM)
erm...nvr really thought about it...always looking for round cut hahaha

JamesAllen deliver to SG only sad.gif Malaysia lousy xD

but i like that they have 24/7 support...whiteflash need to rely on their customer service working hour...which is kind of a disaster
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Do consider princess cut bro. Those good ones are as brilliant as a round diamond bro, but cost less. You can use the balance to up your carat weight.

You can always deliver to Singapore and ask your friend to pass you the diamond. No problem wan. But will kena 7% GST lahh haha.

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 11:40 AM)
hmmm...i try to look around as well biggrin.gif
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