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post Jan 10 2017, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 10 2017, 09:43 AM)
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Don't worry about the "fail" part, those are just individual opinions from different websites. Also, don't worry too much about the faint fluorescence. In fact, according to http://beyond4cs.com/grading/fluorescence/...parency-issues/, there is a significantly high chance that it won't cause any issue such as milky appearance. You may ask your seller to check for the appearance and see if it is milky or not, if he/she is able to get the images of the diamond, it is even better. Images will be diamond image, ASET image, idealscope image.

Lastly, among all the stones you show me, I think this is the one I will buy myself personally. Since we are buying without actually looking into the real diamond, then all we can rely is the figures, and it will be best if we can verify our decision with the necessary images.

Hope this helps and good luck. wink.gif
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QUOTE(bb100 @ Jan 10 2017, 09:50 AM)
Dude, this is dangerous! There is a term for this: buying blind. If the seller is not able to provide the scope images, I would not even waste time looking into its proportions.

The depth and table percentages, and crown and pavilion angles are only figures. They don't tell you as much as a scope image would.
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This is actually from the WhiteFlash website. Emailed them for the images, but they replied with this: "This diamond is part of our virtual selection group so we would need payment to bring the diamond in for inspection and imaging." sweat.gif

QUOTE(bb100 @ Jan 10 2017, 09:55 AM)
The stone has faint fluorescence. Fluorescent diamonds usually cost less. Try and nego with the seller on this point. Maybe you can shave a few hundred off the listed price.
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Faint fluorescence is only much notifiable under UV light right?
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post Jan 10 2017, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 10:06 AM)
This is actually from the WhiteFlash website. Emailed them for the images, but they replied with this: "This diamond is part of our virtual selection group so we would need payment to bring the diamond in for inspection and imaging."  sweat.gif
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This should not be the case. Pay first then only inspect? What if you are not satisfied with the outcome? Can do a full refund? Anyway, mind sharing the link to the diamond?


QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 10:06 AM)
Faint fluorescence is only much notifiable under UV light right?
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Yes, but it is still a fluorescent diamond regardless of strength. See this:

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Roughly 30% of diamonds fluoresce to some degree. Colorless (D-F) fluorescent diamonds sell at up to a 15% discount since the fluorescence is perceived as a defect.

http://www.lumeradiamonds.com/diamond-educ...nd-fluorescence

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post Jan 10 2017, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ Jan 10 2017, 10:12 AM)
This should not be the case. Pay first then only inspect? What if you are not satisfied with the outcome? Can do a full refund? Anyway, mind sharing the link to the diamond?
Yes, but it is still a fluorescent diamond regardless of strength. See this:
http://www.lumeradiamonds.com/diamond-educ...nd-fluorescence
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PM you the link for the diamond smile.gif

I don't understand how the fluorescent can affect the diamond though rclxub.gif
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post Jan 10 2017, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ Jan 10 2017, 09:50 AM)
Dude, this is dangerous! There is a term for this: buying blind. If the seller is not able to provide the scope images, I would not even waste time looking into its proportions.

The depth and table percentages, and crown and pavilion angles are only figures. They don't tell you as much as a scope image would.
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That's why I keep on repeating myself "please get the diamond image, ASET image, Idealscope image." Hahahaha. And if buying blind is the buyer's only options, all they can rely on is really figures. But then okay... jacky91, really please get the images. wink.gif
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post Jan 10 2017, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 10 2017, 10:40 AM)
That's why I keep on repeating myself "please get the diamond image, ASET image, Idealscope image." Hahahaha. And if buying blind is the buyer's only options, all they can rely on is really figures. But then okay... jacky91, really please get the images. wink.gif
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Sent an email to them already, currently pending for their answer...now i know the difference between in house and virtual on WhiteFlash website.
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QUOTE(bb100 @ Jan 10 2017, 09:55 AM)
The stone has faint fluorescence. Fluorescent diamonds usually cost less. Try and nego with the seller on this point. Maybe you can shave a few hundred off the listed price.
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Actually bb100 is right as well. Diamond with fluorescence is cheaper than those with none. So is good if you can negotiate the price.

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post Jan 10 2017, 10:45 AM

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bb100 how do you check whether the diamond i listed got fluorescence?
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post Jan 10 2017, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 10:06 AM)
This is actually from the WhiteFlash website. Emailed them for the images, but they replied with this: "This diamond is part of our virtual selection group so we would need payment to bring the diamond in for inspection and imaging."  sweat.gif
Faint fluorescence is only much notifiable under UV light right?
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Your one is Virtual Selection. Hence, no images. Try to look at their A-Cut-Above (ACA) or Expert Selection. Personally will only look at ACA to save on time and headache. All the scopes are there for your viewing pleasure. The diamonds are graded by AGS, not GIA. But then, really, this 2 labs are compatible with each other, if AGS is not better. Their certs will show more detail.

Don't bother getting GIA from them. It is not cheap on WhiteFlash. If you want GIA, JamesAllen got plenty of them for your viewing pleasure. But then, they do not ship to Malaysia. However, they do ship to Singapore, hence, if you are working there, or someone can get it back for you, then it is good. But please be reminded VAT may apply - SG is 7%.
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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 10:45 AM)
bb100 how do you check whether the diamond i listed got fluorescence?
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Open your cert URL. Is inside.
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post Jan 10 2017, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ Jan 10 2017, 10:12 AM)
This should not be the case. Pay first then only inspect? What if you are not satisfied with the outcome? Can do a full refund? Anyway, mind sharing the link to the diamond?
Yes, but it is still a fluorescent diamond regardless of strength. See this:
http://www.lumeradiamonds.com/diamond-educ...nd-fluorescence
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I think the "payment" is for shipment of the diamond to their store. Not for the actual stone. jacky91 please correct me if I am wrong.
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post Jan 10 2017, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 10:45 AM)
bb100 how do you check whether the diamond i listed got fluorescence?
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I have also noticed that your diamond has a feather inclusion. I might be one feather or a few feathers. Be careful, as the feather might be near to the edge of the stone.
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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 10 2017, 10:48 AM)
Your one is Virtual Selection. Hence, no images. Try to look at their A-Cut-Above (ACA) or Expert Selection. Personally will only look at ACA to save on time and headache. All the scopes are there for your viewing pleasure. The diamonds are graded by AGS, not GIA. But then, really, this 2 labs are compatible with each other, if AGS is not better. Their certs will show more detail.

Don't bother getting GIA from them. It is not cheap on WhiteFlash. If you want GIA, JamesAllen got plenty of them for your viewing pleasure. But then, they do not ship to Malaysia. However, they do ship to Singapore, hence, if you are working there, or someone can get it back for you, then it is good. But please be reminded VAT may apply - SG is 7%.
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Hmm...means i better go start looking again...hahaha!

QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 10 2017, 10:50 AM)
Open your cert URL. Is inside.
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Oh!!!! Thanks!

QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 10 2017, 10:55 AM)
I think the "payment" is for shipment of the diamond to their store. Not for the actual stone. jacky91 please correct me if I am wrong.
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I think so, the sales person is not replying my email yet doh.gif
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post Jan 10 2017, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 10:25 AM)
PM you the link for the diamond smile.gif

I don't understand how the fluorescent can affect the diamond though  rclxub.gif
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Ok, thanks for your PM.

Fluorescence is considered a defect, just like inclusions in a diamond. It is just that fluorescence is not categorised under the 4Cs. That's why people, especially sellers, seldom take it into consideration when evaluating the price of a diamond.

Ehh wait, your stone is sold by Whiteflash ahh? Like this mana boleh nego bro?
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post Jan 10 2017, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 10 2017, 10:48 AM)
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Don't bother getting GIA from them. It is not cheap on WhiteFlash. If you want GIA, JamesAllen got plenty of them for your viewing pleasure. But then, they do not ship to Malaysia. However, they do ship to Singapore, hence, if you are working there, or someone can get it back for you, then it is good. But please be reminded VAT may apply - SG is 7%.
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jacky91 I am working in Singapore bro.

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post Jan 10 2017, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ Jan 10 2017, 11:00 AM)
Ok, thanks for your PM.

Fluorescence is considered a defect, just like inclusions in a diamond. It is just that fluorescence is not categorised under the 4Cs. That's why people, especially sellers, seldom take it into consideration when evaluating the price of a diamond.

Ehh wait, your stone is sold by Whiteflash ahh? Like this mana boleh nego bro?
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Tu la...fixed price...now i headache adi...so many things to consider and price also need to control sad.gif

QUOTE(bb100 @ Jan 10 2017, 11:01 AM)
jacky91 I am working in Singapore bro.

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hahahahaha!!! i got friend working there too tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 11:04 AM)
Tu la...fixed price...now i headache adi...so many things to consider and price also need to control sad.gif
hahahahaha!!! i got friend working there too tongue.gif
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bb100 banyak kaya punya orang. Maybe he can help you get good price from JamesAllen because he is VIP customer! 😁
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post Jan 10 2017, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 10 2017, 11:06 AM)
bb100 banyak kaya punya orang. Maybe he can help you get good price from JamesAllen because he is VIP customer! 😁
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JamesAllen can give better price a? I went into the website and was prompt that I can get $100 off my first purchase biggrin.gif
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post Jan 10 2017, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 11:04 AM)
Tu la...fixed price...now i headache adi...so many things to consider and price also need to control sad.gif
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It's never easy bro, especially now you are buying something for such an important event in your life! I did my research on diamonds for nearly one year bro, just to better equip myself from penipu scammers around. But my budget is flexible, so I have more freedom to play around with the specs. But that does not mean you can't get a beautiful stone with a limited budget bro, please don't get me wrong. Just that you need to source harder for the best deals.

Do not limit yourself only to online stores bro. Walk into local jewellery shops and start inquiring, maybe they can offer you something which you can't resist. But the downside is that most of them do not have ASET and Idealscope for you lohh.
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post Jan 10 2017, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ Jan 10 2017, 11:13 AM)
It's never easy bro, especially now you are buying something for such an important event in your life! I did my research on diamonds for nearly one year bro, just to better equip myself from penipu scammers around. But my budget is flexible, so I have more freedom to play around with the specs. But that does not mean you can't get a beautiful stone with a limited budget bro, please don't get me wrong. Just that you need to source harder for the best deals.

Do not limit yourself only to online stores bro. Walk into local jewellery shops and start inquiring, maybe they can offer you something which you can't resist. But the downside is that most of them do not have ASET and Idealscope for you lohh.
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haha..agree..i might juz postpone my planning a bit late...to research/find the perfect diamond

now checking JamesAllen.
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post Jan 10 2017, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 10 2017, 11:17 AM)
haha..agree..i might juz postpone my planning a bit late...to research/find the perfect diamond

now checking JamesAllen.
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Bro, got consider princess cut? It costs less per carat compared to round brilliants.

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