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post Jan 10 2017, 11:05 PM

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this thread is good. i was planning to get a diamond ring for the proposal too.

please advice me on how to find a good ring. my budget max is around rm 6000.

i been looking on Hemera Poh Kong but still seeing if any other place got better quality but around that price
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post Jan 11 2017, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 11 2017, 10:00 AM)
May I know what are the specs and price like for Hemera?

As far as I know, Hemera is 101 facets (Modified Modern Round Brilliant) instead of the traditional 57 facets. According to what I read, extra facets can create more brilliance and scintillation (sparkle), but at the expense of fire (dispersion). Read:
1. http://www.heartsonfire.com/guidance/words...erformance.aspx
2. http://niceice.com/what-is-the-sparkliest-diamond-cut/

If you prefer 57 facets (Standard Modern Round Brilliant) and max budget is around RM 6000, you may be able to get:
1. 0.40ct E VS2 from Tailored Jewel, together with a 18K White Gold Setting. This will cost you RM 5900. Just search Tailored Jewel on Facebook. Do request for the GIA cert number first before making any purchase. With that, you are able to identify the proportions of the diamond. Also, request for the Hearts and Arrows images from him as well. He is able to provide it. Do request for ASET and IdealScope images because they will show you the performance in terms of light return.

Read:
http://beyond4cs.com/step-by-step-guide/ev...ith-idealscope/
http://beyond4cs.com/2014/12/aset-reference-charts/
http://beyond4cs.com/cut/difference-betwee...l-scope-images/

Usually, I noticed it is hard to get ideal proportions for promotion items as suggested by a lot online diamond education sites, but then, try ask for it. This is especially important for Crown and Pavilion angles:
http://niceice.com/diamond-buying-secrets/...buying-success/
Total depth between 59 – 61.8%
Table diameter between 53 – 58%
Crown angle between 34.3 – 34.9 degrees*
Pavilion angle between 40.6 – 40.9 degrees

Lower girdle facets between 75 – 78%**
Star facets between 45 – 50%***
Girdle thickness between thin and slightly thick
Culet: AGS pointed or GIA none

2. If you don't mind sacrificing weight to get super ideal cut (aka Hearts and Arrows), you may consider WhiteFlash A-Cut-Above series (ACA):
[attachmentid=8388349]
For 0.3ct, after conversion and GST and ring setting from iDo Jewellery, you probably can get a F VS2 for around RM 5600, and a D VS1 for around RM 6500. Personally, I will got for D VS1 because although VS2 may be eye-clean, you might see the tiny inclusions if you inspect closely, especially if the inclusion gets reflected around within the diamond. Personally, I still think that VS2 will be give the best bang for the buck, so if the VS2 has inclusions that are hard to see really up-close and with a picky mindset, I may consider it. Anyway, once you wear it, or look at it like a normal person, it is very very rare that VS2 inclusions are noticeable.

For online shopping, you may try Brian Gavin (http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/) as well. It is similar to WhiteFlash. So I won't elaborate further on it. But do check it out do get a general idea.

3. If you prefer stores, you may visit Wah Chan or HABIB, both of them sell GIA graded diamonds and I heard that their price is quite competitive.

You can always do price research on those online stores (WhiteFlash, Brian Gavin, Audrey's -http://audreys.com.my/audreys/diamondsearch.php) and Facebook (ZCOVA, Eumayco, iDO Jewellery, Tailored Jewel).

Hope this helps and good luck!
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Omg. This is so much information to understand. Thanks!!!

Need some advice on the following quotation

Specifications:
R 002
18K White Gold
1D – 0.25ct
F, VS2
Triple Excellents
Fluorescence None
With GIA certificate
~8D – 0.08ct
From RM 5,800
http://www.idojewellery.com/product/r-002/

R 217 *
18K White Gold
1D – 0.25ct
F, VS2
Triple Excellents
Fluorescence None
With GIA certificate
~14D – 0.25ct
From RM 6,000
http://www.idojewellery.com/product/r-217/

R 363
18K White & Rose Gold
1D – 0.25ct
F, VS2
Triple Excellents
Fluorescence None
With GIA certificate
2D – 0.04ct
~14D – 0.20ct
From RM 6,300
http://www.idojewellery.com/product/r-363/

Which is worth?


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post Jan 11 2017, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 11 2017, 10:27 PM)
It seems that you like side diamonds, we called it melee diamonds tongue.gif

I don't like the front look of the last ring: [attachmentid=8390828] It has the bee hive look, which is good, but 0.25ct is too small to carry such design in my opinion. Also, if possible, go with 4 prongs for anything that is below 1 carat, it will make the diamond look "bigger" and won't hinder it from sparkling. Of course, these are just my opinions, final decision is yours. Get what you and your partner desire is the most important.

Also ~14D - 0.20ct means carat total weight (CTW) for the side diamonds? Am I right?

For the 2nd design, it is also 6 prongs, so my opinion is the same as above. Also, I can't seem to find its front view.

This leaves me with the only design (the first one), which I think is pretty okay. If I were to choose from these 3, the 1st one will be my choice. wink.gif

Using ring 3 as example, if 2D – 0.04ct + ~14D - 0.20ct means CTW, then the melee won't cost that much, probably few hundreds bucks (I guess). So this makes your diamond + ring to be around 5400. At this price, you can almost get a 0.3ct Hearts and Arrows diamond. Remember that each 0.1 will have a big jump, therefore, I may say 0.25ct is slightly not that worth it. I said slightly because the carat weight is still not that big, so we still won't feel the "not that worth" impact that much.  Anyway, quick check on Audrey's shows that a 0.25 D VVS2 may cost you around 3100: [attachmentid=8390922], unless we can be sure your diamond is of good quality with diamond image, ASET image, IdealScope image. If not, I think your diamond is slightly overpriced. Why don't you check how much will the individual 0.25ct with iDo Jewellery and see.

On the bright side, iDo Jewellery's workmanship is pretty good. Perhaps that will bring up the "worthiness" of the whole experience.
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haha. in diamond ring i am a totally newbie but i going to check Audrey. just want to check if i want to get a shinning diamond what should i look? so can you advise me what is the best important for an diamond ring if i want the ring look shinning like a diamond laugh.gif

i checking on Audrey now. it look cheaper and better.

can teach me on this? Symmetry and Fluorescence what is this?

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post Jan 11 2017, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 11 2017, 11:41 PM)
1. Cut (Hence, proportions of the diamond, especially crown angle and pavilion angle)
2. Light Return (Hence, request for ASET/IdealScope images)

Reference:
1. http://niceice.com/diamond-buying-secrets/...buying-success/
2. http://www.prosumerdiamonds.com/how-to-pick-diamond/
3. http://beyond4cs.com/shapes/round/ideal-proportions/
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Master, Audrey is more worth value according to print screen.

about the print screen is that worth? i add diamond + ring is only RM 5500. thumbup.gif

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Just want to ask what is Fluorescence?

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post Jan 12 2017, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 12 2017, 09:06 AM)
Like... immediate? Probably there are some banking procedures involved they delayed the process. Anyway, I wired my money through Maybank around 4:40/4:50pm and they said they received it at 12+ am. I think it was faster and the reason they replied me slower is because it is out of their office hours. Just follow-up closely with them and see, you may also check with your bank.
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Master, i done choosing from audrey it is cheaper then other place. do you think this expensive on this?
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post Jan 13 2017, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 13 2017, 09:38 AM)
sweat.gif Don't call me master la unless I am swinging a lightsaber around.

No, the diamond does not worth the price. It is not even a triple excellent. Triple excellent consists of 3 things:
Cut - Excellent
Polish - Excellent
Symmetry - Excellent

Stick to 3Ex if can.

Looking at the proportions, the pavilion angle of 41.2 degrees, so probably the light return is weak.

I have been getting repetitive, so I have blogged the steps here. Please refer here:
http://myengagementringexperience.blogspot...-brilliant.html
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@kambingkoh. haha. you are a very knowledgeable person in term of diamond. people like me need advice from you to get the worth diamond value notworthy.gif

i trying to find those Fluorescence which is None since i don't want those like strong and it doesn't reflect nice later. hunting some small carat with high performance tongue.gif

I used your blog tools and i find out this is worth enough smile.gif what do you think. For the HCA i need to get the score more then 2 above or less then that?

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Depth
61.0 %
Table
59 %
Crown Angle
34.5°
Crown Height
14.0%
Pavilion Angle
41.0°
Pavilion Depth
43.5%
Star Length
50%
Lower Half
75%
Girdle
Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted, 3.5%
Culet
None

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post Jan 14 2017, 02:44 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 14 2017, 12:18 AM)
Based on the proportions, it seems good enough. HCA is below 2 will be better. May I know the cert number and price? Also, you may also proceed to get the images from Audrey's.
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Master i also not sure what i have print screen but i have send you the PM. please check and let me know which is the best choice.

your blog and thread is very useful for the beginner newbie like me notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

hope can get your reply biggrin.gif
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post Jan 14 2017, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 14 2017, 12:18 PM)
you can share the GIA report number here no worry biggrin.gif it is basically made public to everyone
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haha. i send our master too many GIA report here. lazy to update
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post Jan 16 2017, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Jan 16 2017, 01:49 PM)
hahaha! waiting my friend to send me the pic tonight xD
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Congrats smile.gif haha. anyone know where to get a nice box for the ring?
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post Jan 16 2017, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 16 2017, 09:24 PM)
Don't worry. Even if you buy loose stone without box, as long as you set it locally, I am sure the jeweller will give one to you. I got mine from iDo Jewellery, as well as WhiteFlash anyway. Haha.
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haha. whiteflash look more cheaper compare to malaysia outlet. but is that safe? i quite worry about it since i never brought anything that expensive through online

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post Jan 16 2017, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 16 2017, 09:24 PM)
Don't worry. Even if you buy loose stone without box, as long as you set it locally, I am sure the jeweller will give one to you. I got mine from iDo Jewellery, as well as WhiteFlash anyway. Haha.
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btw Master, what you suggesting is we buy the diamond from whiteflash then we get the ring here to make it a whole? is that more worth and cheaper ? smile.gif
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post Jan 17 2017, 01:51 AM

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QUOTE(tohff7 @ Jan 17 2017, 01:47 AM)
From Sifu kambingkoh said, if u want brick and mortar, you can try JannPaul Singapore or local jewellers like Audrey, Eumayco etc

I would say JannPaul service is very good. I actually deal with Jann all the way via email, and he answered whatever questions i have. You can visit them in SG if you prefer.
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ya i was looking at audrey and eumayco at the moment. the ring from eumayco is the same as audrey but much cheaper. lol

 

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