Gated & Guarded question
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 Nov 24 2016, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE(Hades76 @ Nov 24 2016, 03:46 PM) Sorry, just to seek clarification. If your gated and guarded security is in place and you dont want to pay for the security, can the security stop you from entering the area, compound to your house ? Maybe yes and no for individual title.I hearing mix answers to this so any guru here can answer, must appreciated.  |
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Nov 24 2016, 03:57 PM
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QUOTE(metalslug @ Nov 24 2016, 03:54 PM) Maybe yes and no for individual title. Yeah metalslug. Just like your case. If you choose not to contribute to the security for whatever reason, can the security stop you from going into your house ? |
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Nov 25 2016, 08:07 AM
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QUOTE(Hades76 @ Nov 24 2016, 03:57 PM) Yeah metalslug. Just like your case. If you choose not to contribute to the security for whatever reason, can the security stop you from going into your house ? That is what im worried about. even though the anwer is yes and no, i will never know what will the guard or the committee do their tricks on those non contribution on the maintenance fee. |
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Nov 25 2016, 09:15 AM
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QUOTE(metalslug @ Nov 24 2016, 03:54 PM) Maybe yes and no for individual title. The guard cannot stop you from entering your precint to reach home. The most it can do is to create some inconveniences when you go in. |
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Nov 25 2016, 02:44 PM
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For strata title props its a must pay n its governed. Fng with indi title props r not governed but its gd to pay accordingly to avoid bad security. Anyway there is no guarantee for the security even with those half pass six guards.
Simple answer. If dun wanna pay then leave the taman. |
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Nov 25 2016, 03:01 PM
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 25 2016, 02:44 PM) For strata title props its a must pay n its governed. Fng with indi title props r not governed but its gd to pay accordingly to avoid bad security. Anyway there is no guarantee for the security even with those half pass six guards. wah, leave taman meaning sell the house alrd.. need to be this serious?Simple answer. If dun wanna pay then leave the taman. |
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Nov 25 2016, 03:07 PM
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QUOTE(metalslug @ Nov 25 2016, 03:01 PM) wah, leave taman meaning sell the house alrd.. need to be this serious? Jk boss. But plenty of such cutie angels around not paying wan. Seen with my own eye balls an owner use his hailat to bang 9 boom gate bcos guard asked him to sign as guest since he owes the fee since day 1 in 1 of the fng at kipark. Hoseh👍 Imagine the fee to repair when many not paying. It's as gd as not gonna cont the service for gd. End day the result ll b half cooked security |
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Nov 25 2016, 03:40 PM
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 25 2016, 03:07 PM) Jk boss. But plenty of such cutie angels around not paying wan. Seen with my own eye balls an owner use his hailat to bang 9 boom gate bcos guard asked him to sign as guest since he owes the fee since day 1 in 1 of the fng at kipark. im thinking this happen to those who rented out their property and did not know that they will start paying the maintenance fee. And some owner ignore this as well. RM100 for example will be a cost to them and their tenant might not be renting the unit.Hoseh👍 Imagine the fee to repair when many not paying. It's as gd as not gonna cont the service for gd. End day the result ll b half cooked security |
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Nov 26 2016, 08:55 AM
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g&g can only stop good people , bad guys still can find their ways to enter. we local always like to scream to the guards. some tenants even can move owners' furnishing out without question. legal action??? the legality to set up of boom gate/guard house in public road also a big question mark. i dont see good reason to have g&g esp for ind title landed
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Nov 28 2016, 11:02 AM
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 so they upload some docs regards the maintenance fee here. this item no.6 said clearly they will take legal action under what clause? |
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Nov 28 2016, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE(metalslug @ Nov 28 2016, 11:02 AM) so they upload some docs regards the maintenance fee here. this item no.6 said clearly they will take legal action under what clause? |
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Nov 29 2016, 08:47 AM
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 28 2016, 10:35 PM) Is tis for Strata title prop??? nope, individual title, landed property.. |
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Nov 29 2016, 08:54 AM
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QUOTE(metalslug @ Nov 21 2016, 11:11 AM) 1) Rm100 is it more or less can cover the expanses and maintenance fee? For Individual Title (For KL area and Selangor):2) What is some resident dont pay the fee if they thought Rm100 is alot (1000 house x RM100 = RM100k per mth?) 3) Can you sell the house if you dont pay the maintenance fee? Does the committee has right to stop owner from selling out the unit? 4) Is the group / persatuan can collect fee on behalf of the resident? 1) YES 2) NO LEGAL ACTION. 3) YES. Committee do not have rights 4) YES. BUT NOT COMPULSORY. Please kindly check with local authority over this issue. IF STRATA, it is govern by Strata Title Act, but if it is individual title, it is govern by local by-laws. Therefore, I can apply the same boom gate rules and regulation at KL to JB. Edits: Most /k identified Strata as Gated&Guarded, while Individual Title as Gated Community. This post has been edited by Yveatel: Nov 29 2016, 08:55 AM |
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Dec 7 2016, 07:02 PM
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gated and guarded means police won't come do surveillance round? the safety is solely on residents & guards... i guess police will come only when got case then...
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Dec 8 2016, 08:04 AM
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QUOTE(RE57 @ Dec 7 2016, 07:02 PM) gated and guarded means police won't come do surveillance round? the safety is solely on residents & guards... i guess police will come only when got case then... dont think police will come in for surveillance since it has guard and the guard should do the routine roaming around the taman. |
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Dec 8 2016, 08:14 AM
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If don't want to pay maintenance fees imho have to move out...
it is better because in the end you are getting a service at the expense of the other home users whether you like it or not... orrrr, kumpul all the home owners and cancel the g&g totally, I mean if the gated was put in by the developer so no cost to owners just leave it like that... no need guards remove the boom gate and request for normal rukun tetangga or polis to ronda like normal |
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Dec 8 2016, 09:51 AM
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gardening charges is under who? G&G community or local MP?
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Dec 8 2016, 10:03 AM
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gardening like cutting grass, clear longkang still under MP.
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Dec 28 2016, 03:13 PM
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QUOTE(metalslug @ Nov 21 2016, 11:11 AM) I hope forumers can advise me about gated and guarded environment. 1) It depends. Need to see total how many units you have in your residency, and how is the security set up. (How many guards per day and night, what category of guard you all are engaging, is guard dog provide and etc.)I own a house in Johor located in Nusajaya( is a landed property, not condo). For the 1st 2 years, the gated and guarded is free. After 2 years, the developer will handover back to resident after the resident form a Committee (not sure this is correct). Before coming to end of second year, the residents formed a Committee board and held their 1st AGM back in Oct. Now after the formed, no more updated from the committee. Think they are still waiting for something before they announce. Heard slighty that they will charge approximate RM100 for each house for gated and guarded so called the maintenance fee. So my question is, 1) Rm100 is it more or less can cover the expanses and maintenance fee? 2) What is some resident dont pay the fee if they thought Rm100 is alot (1000 house x RM100 = RM100k per mth?) 3) Can you sell the house if you dont pay the maintenance fee? Does the committee has right to stop owner from selling out the unit? 4) Is the group / persatuan can collect fee on behalf of the resident? 2) Do you all have DMC? If no, then basically you all can not do anything. 3) Ofcourse you can sell the house. 4) Need to registered the Residence association to SSM to legalized the collection (This you might want to double check with those who run a R.A.) And you must make clear your development order is it come with proper gated and guarded approval or not. Cause this make a lot of different in term of entry to the premises by others/non paying residents |
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Dec 28 2016, 03:39 PM
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QUOTE(metalslug @ Nov 21 2016, 11:11 AM) I hope forumers can advise me about gated and guarded environment. 1. Depends on conditions. Will need to see what are the expenses to determine if RM100 can cover or not. The committee will usually have someone to monitor the funds/collection. If insufficient they will raise the monthly fee.I own a house in Johor located in Nusajaya( is a landed property, not condo). For the 1st 2 years, the gated and guarded is free. After 2 years, the developer will handover back to resident after the resident form a Committee (not sure this is correct). Before coming to end of second year, the residents formed a Committee board and held their 1st AGM back in Oct. Now after the formed, no more updated from the committee. Think they are still waiting for something before they announce. Heard slighty that they will charge approximate RM100 for each house for gated and guarded so called the maintenance fee. So my question is, 1) Rm100 is it more or less can cover the expanses and maintenance fee? 2) What is some resident dont pay the fee if they thought Rm100 is alot (1000 house x RM100 = RM100k per mth?) 3) Can you sell the house if you dont pay the maintenance fee? Does the committee has right to stop owner from selling out the unit? 4) Is the group / persatuan can collect fee on behalf of the resident? 2. Residents can choose not to pay if they don't want to pay, or they feel RM100 is too much. 3. Can. 4. Not sure about this question. Usually the security of gated and guarded is managed by security forces employed by the committee, and these are usually gangsters. Some residents may choose not to pay, though the committee or security may have their own ways to deal with non-paying members. I am not sure how does collection of the condominium or apartment work though if there are some who don't pay the monthly maintenance. I am sure there will be cases of some people not paying. |
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