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post Dec 28 2016, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(Hades76 @ Nov 24 2016, 03:57 PM)
Yeah metalslug. Just like your case. If you choose not to contribute to the security for whatever reason, can the security stop you from going into your house ?
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The security cannot stop residents from going into their houses. That is against the law. However, they can make life difficult for non-paying members. If the access through the boom gate is by access card, they can deactivate the card and force residents to queue in the line to register as a visitor.
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post Dec 28 2016, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(Hades76 @ Nov 24 2016, 03:46 PM)
Sorry, just to seek clarification. If your gated and guarded security is in place and you dont want to pay for the security, can the security stop you from entering the area, compound to your house ?

I hearing mix answers to this so any guru here can answer, must appreciated.
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The security, committee or anyone CANNOT stop a resident from entering his own house. That is against the law. However, they can make life difficult for you since the philosophy of a gated and guarded is for the whole community living in the same area. Imagine if all people pay for monthly maintenance and few people don't pay, what will the paying members feel? Paying members are funding for the non-paying members in security and facilities. As such, the committee or security will usually have their own ways to make life difficult for non-paying members.

If one feels dissatisfied with the security or committee, there isn't much he can do. The gated and guarded scheme is a collective vote and I believe most will choose to have this facility. Even though there might be few who don't want to have this gate and guarded scheme, those who don't want to pay for the maintenance, the G&G will be there as long as majority of people living within a community wants the facility and are willing to pay for the monthly maintenance.

Perhaps in more rural areas or kampung villages where most low-income earners reside, majority will choose not to have gated and guarded as they cannot afford to pay, hence you don't see G&G at some of the low-cost housing areas usually single-storey.
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post Jan 5 2017, 09:58 AM

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starting to pay this mth and need to pay 2 mths advance and still they dont let us know the security company name.

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post Jan 5 2017, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(metalslug @ Jan 5 2017, 09:58 AM)
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starting to pay this mth and need to pay 2 mths advance and still they dont let us know the security company name.
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Seriously, this is fishy. Please kindly check with your local authority on this. As far as I understand, there is no need for 'management' in individual title housing area. You can form own committee(something like rukun tetangga) and then seek for security company directly. Is there even by-law at Johor allows management company to form from individual title.

As far as I know from meeting back at 2013, JKPTG informed that there will not be any law to suit this unless strata. Unless there are changes rclxub.gif
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post Jan 6 2017, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(Yveatel @ Jan 5 2017, 04:21 PM)
Seriously, this is fishy. Please kindly check with your local authority on this. As far as I understand, there is no need for 'management' in individual title housing area. You can form own committee(something like rukun tetangga) and then seek for security company directly. Is there even by-law at Johor allows management company to form from individual title.

As far as I know from meeting back at 2013, JKPTG informed that there will not be any law to suit this unless strata. Unless there are changes  rclxub.gif
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got confuse by them. actually our taman is without strata and yes, the committee is registered under ROS and this committee appointed a 'management' aka collector booth in the taman. We were not given any details when we ask who is the security company, list down the expenses etc... they will just delay and make excuses.
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QUOTE(kengyan @ Jan 6 2017, 10:39 AM)
Then complaint to ROS on this matter, it is illegal already.
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objective to complain? Think ROS wont entertain this unless major issue.

BTW, how can I check the management company that managing our taman?

I just got the company name.

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post Jan 6 2017, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(metalslug @ Jan 6 2017, 11:58 AM)
objective to complain? Think ROS wont entertain this unless major issue.

BTW, how can I check the management company that managing our taman?

I just got the company name.
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Get the company number, do a SSM search if you want to know bout the financial health of the company from the last audited report lodged with SSM.
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Jan 6 2017, 12:38 PM)
Get the company number, do a SSM search if you want to know bout the financial health of the company from the last audited report lodged with SSM.
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they only provide the name, dint provide the resgistration number. SSM only can check only by registration number. hmm...
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QUOTE(metalslug @ Jan 6 2017, 01:04 PM)
they only provide the name, dint provide the resgistration number. SSM only can check only by registration number. hmm...
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Can disclose the name?

Some of us here might know where to point you to the right place.
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Jan 6 2017, 01:15 PM)
Can disclose the name?

Some of us here might know where to point you to the right place.
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Dzulwari management
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post Jan 6 2017, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(metalslug @ Jan 6 2017, 01:41 PM)
Dzulwari management
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Even with my korek-ing skill, this company is nowhere to be found laugh.gif

Good luck.
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post Jan 6 2017, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ Jan 6 2017, 01:52 PM)
Even with my korek-ing skill, this company is nowhere to be found laugh.gif

Good luck.
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This is escalating to very fishy situation. Seems like an unknown gangster getting some so-called "legal" protection money...
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Jan 6 2017, 01:52 PM)
Even with my korek-ing skill, this company is nowhere to be found laugh.gif

Good luck.
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QUOTE(Yveatel @ Jan 6 2017, 03:58 PM)
This is escalating to very fishy situation. Seems like an unknown gangster getting some so-called "legal" protection money...
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LOL, dont scare me la. maybe he just make up some company name. when this is true, i will make some noise. and the person gv me this name is the vice chairman.
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QUOTE(metalslug @ Jan 6 2017, 04:19 PM)
LOL, dont scare me la. maybe he just make up some company name. when this is true, i will make some noise. and the person gv me this name is the vice chairman.
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When I key into google, only got 4 search result.

Likely the company is non existing....
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post Jan 11 2017, 11:42 AM

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I can answer ur questions. I used to be in such committee before.

Bunch of residents will form the committee on volunteer basis. If u can, join it. It's not troublesome, yes take abit of ur time periodically but not really a full time thing.

For non paying owners, committee will make things difficult for them don't worry.
Can block any construction work or stuff until they clear the outstanding fees. They have to register as visitor to enter in.

No, cannot stop owner from accessing the house, just make it troublesome.

When u buy into gng, there is a binding guideline policy to follow. Every owner agreed to it.
Yes not fair for paying members but we follow law and order. Just because ppl steal but u work hard doesn't mean u should follow bad practices.

Paying maintenance per quarter upfront is commonly practised so that the sub committee cash collector no need to keep approaching owners to collect money monthly. The collector usually is a resident.

Likely when committee members start to quit, committee may opt to outsource it to management company to ease committee from spending too much of their time to run the gng.

Your money goes to maintaining the gng, other misc rubbish, grass cutting, security, other expenses like utitles or improvement. Yes technically gov will deploy contractors to cut grass or collect your housing rubbish but they won't do a fantastic job. Committee hire more contractors to help make gng more cleaner. Just think it as tuition for ur kids.

90% of all newly formed committee are usually new at managing committee. So understandable if certain things seem abit weird, slow or lacking. Hard to get ex committee members who moved to your new gng, and get them to join because it's a volunteer job. Not everyone likes it.

New committee group have to learn slowly how run the gng successfully.

As for money, don't be too worried. Committee are residents, owners. They are also worried about their own house.

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As for maintenance fee, between 50rm to 300rm for non facility gng. Facilities mean pool, gym room etc.

How committee calculate is based on how many houses in gng, what are the possible expenses, how much to save surplus for future improvements, sinking fee. Also dependable on number of guards
Rm100 is cheap.
Mine is rm150 and rm200. Two houses in two different gng.

U be surprised how many rich owners complain their fee of rm150 damn expensive but also complain guards not enough to safeguard. (Rm150 u probably can get max 4 guards per shift 12hours)
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QUOTE(metalslug @ Jan 6 2017, 08:16 AM)
got confuse by them. actually our taman is without strata and yes, the committee is registered under ROS and this committee appointed a 'management' aka collector booth in the taman. We were not given any details when we ask who is the security company, list down the expenses etc... they will just delay and make excuses.
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Committee is new. Need abit of time to let them handle.
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QUOTE(SYL17 @ Jan 11 2017, 11:42 AM)
I can answer ur questions. I used to be in such committee before.

Bunch of residents will form the committee on volunteer basis. If u can, join it. It's not troublesome, yes take abit of ur time periodically but not really a full time thing.

For non paying owners, committee will make things difficult for them don't worry.
Can block any construction work or stuff until they clear the outstanding fees. They have to register as visitor to enter in.

No, cannot stop owner from accessing the house, just make it troublesome.

When u buy into gng, there is a binding guideline policy to follow. Every owner agreed to it.
Yes not fair for paying members but we follow law and order. Just because ppl steal but u work hard doesn't mean u should follow bad practices.

Paying maintenance per quarter upfront is commonly practised so that the sub committee cash collector no need to keep approaching owners to collect money monthly. The collector usually is a resident.

Likely when committee members start to quit, committee may opt to outsource it to management company to ease committee from spending too much of their time to run the gng.

Your money goes to maintaining the gng, other misc rubbish, grass cutting, security, other expenses like utitles or improvement. Yes technically gov will deploy contractors to cut grass or collect your housing rubbish but they won't do a fantastic job. Committee hire more contractors to help make gng more cleaner. Just think it as tuition for ur kids.

90% of all newly formed committee are usually new at managing committee. So understandable if certain things seem abit weird, slow or lacking. Hard to get ex committee members who moved to your new gng, and get them to join because it's a volunteer job. Not everyone likes it.

New committee group have to learn slowly how run the gng successfully.

As for money, don't be too worried. Committee are residents, owners. They are also worried about their own house.
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QUOTE(SYL17 @ Jan 11 2017, 11:50 AM)
As for maintenance fee, between 50rm to 300rm for non facility gng. Facilities mean pool, gym room etc.

How committee calculate is based on how many houses in gng, what are the possible expenses, how much to save surplus for future improvements, sinking fee. Also dependable on number of guards
Rm100 is cheap.
Mine is rm150 and rm200. Two houses in two different gng.

U be surprised how many rich owners complain their fee of rm150 damn expensive but also complain guards not enough to safeguard. (Rm150 u probably can get max 4 guards per shift 12hours)
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QUOTE(SYL17 @ Jan 11 2017, 11:52 AM)
Committee is new. Need abit of time to let them handle.
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thx for the info. yes they take times to do their job. guess i hv no choice as to follow for the 1st 2 mths.

The things that i dont like my current committee is they dont like question. when you ask, is like you challenge them...

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QUOTE(SYL17 @ Jan 11 2017, 11:42 AM)
I can answer ur questions. I used to be in such committee before.

Bunch of residents will form the committee on volunteer basis. If u can, join it. It's not troublesome, yes take abit of ur time periodically but not really a full time thing.

For non paying owners, committee will make things difficult for them don't worry.
Can block any construction work or stuff until they clear the outstanding fees. They have to register as visitor to enter in.

No, cannot stop owner from accessing the house, just make it troublesome.

When u buy into gng, there is a binding guideline policy to follow. Every owner agreed to it.
Yes not fair for paying members but we follow law and order. Just because ppl steal but u work hard doesn't mean u should follow bad practices.

Paying maintenance per quarter upfront is commonly practised so that the sub committee cash collector no need to keep approaching owners to collect money monthly. The collector usually is a resident.

Likely when committee members start to quit, committee may opt to outsource it to management company to ease committee from spending too much of their time to run the gng.

Your money goes to maintaining the gng, other misc rubbish, grass cutting, security, other expenses like utitles or improvement. Yes technically gov will deploy contractors to cut grass or collect your housing rubbish but they won't do a fantastic job. Committee hire more contractors to help make gng more cleaner. Just think it as tuition for ur kids.

90% of all newly formed committee are usually new at managing committee. So understandable if certain things seem abit weird, slow or lacking. Hard to get ex committee members who moved to your new gng, and get them to join because it's a volunteer job. Not everyone likes it.

New committee group have to learn slowly how run the gng successfully.

As for money, don't be too worried. Committee are residents, owners. They are also worried about their own house.
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I am really curious about this. What law and rules allow the committee to do this?? Other than proper GNG which by-laws under Strata, all FnG are not under Strata Management Act. Perhaps local by-laws allow? Can you please clarify or I think the committee already against the law by blocking the construction workers.
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QUOTE(Yveatel @ Jan 12 2017, 09:20 AM)
I am really curious about this. What law and rules allow the committee to do this?? Other than proper GNG which by-laws under Strata, all FnG are not under Strata Management Act. Perhaps local by-laws allow? Can you please clarify or I think the committee already against the law by blocking the construction workers.
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Can. Use EGM, AGM to get majority to approve of needed to.
This can be done either targeted at non paying owners or general security SOP, where owner has to be present to sign a form when visitors arrived. (Outside the house).



Before that, several reminders and memo will be delivered to postbox as well as SMS or phone call to ensure payment, or else there will be additional enforcement.

By laws are by laws. Additional bylaws can be implemented within scope of AgM or committee executive decisions.

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