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TSmetalslug
post Nov 21 2016, 11:11 AM, updated 9y ago

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I hope forumers can advise me about gated and guarded environment.

I own a house in Johor located in Nusajaya( is a landed property, not condo). For the 1st 2 years, the gated and guarded is free. After 2 years, the developer will handover back to resident after the resident form a Committee (not sure this is correct). Before coming to end of second year, the residents formed a Committee board and held their 1st AGM back in Oct. Now after the formed, no more updated from the committee. Think they are still waiting for something before they announce.

Heard slighty that they will charge approximate RM100 for each house for gated and guarded so called the maintenance fee.

So my question is,

1) Rm100 is it more or less can cover the expanses and maintenance fee?
2) What is some resident dont pay the fee if they thought Rm100 is alot (1000 house x RM100 = RM100k per mth?)
3) Can you sell the house if you dont pay the maintenance fee? Does the committee has right to stop owner from selling out the unit?
4) Is the group / persatuan can collect fee on behalf of the resident?


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post Nov 21 2016, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(Satori 14118a @ Nov 21 2016, 11:16 AM)
Look, you want to have the comfort of having gated and guarded environment for your home.
Someone (or in this case the community) has to pay for it.
However, maintenance does not only cover security; also includes landscaping, rubbish collection, etc.
So question is - are you a good community member?
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we all have been supporting the community but recently their slogan is like no money = no guard which makes me uncomfortable. we do have a group in FB and whatapps. The more we ask some question, the more they skip our questions.

I'm in doubt the way the handle us as resident.

Rubbish collection is under MBJPT right? Should not be in the maintenance list. As I said, we are in landed property. Not condo.
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post Nov 21 2016, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(Satori 14118a @ Nov 21 2016, 11:28 AM)
When in doubt, ask the committee members / treasurer. They should provide full visibility of the finances.

p/s: Has the persatuan penduduk been established officially and registered?
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yes we do ask our question to them, asking to breakdown the fee , what is cover and the progress. we dont received update in FB or whatapps group. Is alread registered officially this year.
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post Nov 21 2016, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(rangerdanger @ Nov 21 2016, 11:44 AM)
1. Yes
2. Dont pay u cannot do anything
3. Yes. No.
4. Yes.
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For answer number 3, is it we are not in strata title? So the persatuan can take legal action to us?
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post Nov 21 2016, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(rangerdanger @ Nov 21 2016, 11:50 AM)
You own your house. The house is not bounded by clauses stating that it cant be sold if there are arrears in 'security' fee etc. Unlike condos, you need to settle the arrears before you can sell because it's contractual.
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Somehow, our FB groups got mentions they can legal action to us resident if we dont pay. I dont know which act but they said they can find a way.
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post Nov 21 2016, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(Satori 14118a @ Nov 21 2016, 12:59 PM)
Some reading for your info.
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the link is refering to strata title and high rise buidling i think condo.
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post Nov 21 2016, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Nov 21 2016, 02:22 PM)
bro... landed can be also under strata title like EW project... but then... from what you mentioned... u are individual title... hence... u have freedom to do all the things u mentioned above... but if the security concept broke down because of one paying.... good luck to u TS....
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hmm.... what should I do now? pay the fee even others not willing to pay? hmmm
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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Nov 21 2016, 02:32 PM)
this is one of the headache staying in a individual title landed... have to be praying for good neighbours... but you can try to join the non paying option... wait the security application failed... and see how it will be going from then on... even u pay, ur amount alone also the security wont succeed anyway... strengthen up your house security for the time being...
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Reasonable.. since my group is not so mature enough. We will just wait and see next year Jan.
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post Nov 21 2016, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Nov 21 2016, 02:59 PM)
yeah... also depends your house area investor more or own stayers more... like my housing area... own stayers quite decent in numbers... and they all willing to pay... hence the security still sustainable for now... but wont know how long can is sustain in the future... haha...
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i think 35% is rent or on sale. some not occupied. some rented to bangala as well.. doh.gif
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post Nov 24 2016, 08:06 AM

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QUOTE(quicksilver9832 @ Nov 23 2016, 11:07 PM)
Can't depend on guard entirely unless well trained ones....too many sub standard guards nowadays
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I believe what they will hired is not local. But some residents not comfortable with local. And some doubting the ability to guard the taman.
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post Nov 24 2016, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(Hades76 @ Nov 24 2016, 03:46 PM)
Sorry, just to seek clarification. If your gated and guarded security is in place and you dont want to pay for the security, can the security stop you from entering the area, compound to your house ?

I hearing mix answers to this so any guru here can answer, must appreciated.
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Maybe yes and no for individual title.
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post Nov 25 2016, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(Hades76 @ Nov 24 2016, 03:57 PM)
Yeah metalslug. Just like your case. If you choose not to contribute to the security for whatever reason, can the security stop you from going into your house ?
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That is what im worried about. even though the anwer is yes and no, i will never know what will the guard or the committee do their tricks on those non contribution on the maintenance fee.
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 25 2016, 02:44 PM)
For strata title props its a must pay n its governed. Fng with indi title props r not governed but its gd to pay accordingly to avoid bad security. Anyway there is no guarantee for the security even with those half pass six guards.

Simple answer. If dun wanna pay then leave the taman.
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wah, leave taman meaning sell the house alrd.. need to be this serious?

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 25 2016, 03:07 PM)
Jk boss. But plenty of such cutie angels around not paying wan. Seen with my own eye balls an owner use his hailat to bang 9 boom gate bcos guard asked him to sign as guest since he owes the fee since day 1 in 1 of the fng at kipark.

Hoseh👍

Imagine the fee to repair when  many not paying. It's as gd as not gonna cont the service for gd. End day the result ll b half cooked security
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im thinking this happen to those who rented out their property and did not know that they will start paying the maintenance fee. And some owner ignore this as well. RM100 for example will be a cost to them and their tenant might not be renting the unit.
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post Nov 28 2016, 11:02 AM

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so they upload some docs regards the maintenance fee here. this item no.6 said clearly they will take legal action under what clause?
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post Nov 29 2016, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Nov 28 2016, 10:35 PM)
Is tis for Strata title prop???
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nope, individual title, landed property..
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post Dec 8 2016, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(RE57 @ Dec 7 2016, 07:02 PM)
gated and guarded means police won't come do surveillance round? the safety is solely on residents & guards... i guess police will come only when got case then... sad.gif
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dont think police will come in for surveillance since it has guard and the guard should do the routine roaming around the taman.
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post Dec 8 2016, 10:03 AM

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gardening like cutting grass, clear longkang still under MP.
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post Jan 5 2017, 09:58 AM

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starting to pay this mth and need to pay 2 mths advance and still they dont let us know the security company name.

This post has been edited by metalslug: Jan 5 2017, 10:02 AM
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post Jan 6 2017, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(Yveatel @ Jan 5 2017, 04:21 PM)
Seriously, this is fishy. Please kindly check with your local authority on this. As far as I understand, there is no need for 'management' in individual title housing area. You can form own committee(something like rukun tetangga) and then seek for security company directly. Is there even by-law at Johor allows management company to form from individual title.

As far as I know from meeting back at 2013, JKPTG informed that there will not be any law to suit this unless strata. Unless there are changes  rclxub.gif
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got confuse by them. actually our taman is without strata and yes, the committee is registered under ROS and this committee appointed a 'management' aka collector booth in the taman. We were not given any details when we ask who is the security company, list down the expenses etc... they will just delay and make excuses.

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